Chavez is dead

[Art0ir]

otolith said:

I suspect his supporters here think that's exactly how a state ought to be run.

Just because I don't relish in his death hardly makes me a supporter.

I'm guessing there'll be a similar thread when one of the Gulf rulers dies? No? Odd that.

[liller]

what's with all the American celebs lining up to sing his praises? Sean Penn, Danny Glover etc.

Edited by liller on Wednesday 6th March 13:22

[otolith]

Art0ir said:

Just because I don't relish in his death hardly makes me a supporter.

If you aren't a supporter, I wasn't talking about you.

[JagLover]

liller said:

what's with all the American celebs lining up to sign his praises? Sean Penn, Danny Glover etc.

Members of the Film Actors Guild of course

Haven't you watched Team America?

[liller]

JagLover said:

Members of the Film Actors Guild of course

Haven't you watched Team America?

I have seen it but think I must have missed that bit??!! or I wasn't paying attention to the film!

[menguin]

otolith said:

Poor old Ken Livingstone will have to find some other human rights abuser to suck up to. He must be feeling a bit like Galloway did when Saddam swung.

The Red Devil was on R4 this morning defending him

[ralphrj]

menguin said:

The Red Devil was on R4 this morning defending him

Daily Mash spot on again.

Daily Mash said:

Meanwhile, tributes were paid to Chavez by the usual aholes.

Ken Livingstone, George Galloway and Gerry Adams all said he was a great man, which is pretty much all you need to know about Hugo Chavez.

[BOR]

otolith said:

Poor old Ken Livingstone will have to find some other human rights abuser to suck up to. He must be feeling a bit like Galloway did when Saddam swung.

What's Saudi Arabia's record on human rights like ? Or the USA and the UK for that matter?

[otolith]

BOR said:

What's Saudi Arabia's record on human rights like ?

Appalling. I wouldn't be eulogising their dead leaders even if I did share a political ideology with them.

BOR said:

Or the USA and the UK for that matter?

Better than most.

[Zod]

ralphrj said:

Daily Mash spot on again.

Daily Mash said:

Meanwhile, tributes were paid to Chavez by the usual aholes.

Ken Livingstone, George Galloway and Gerry Adams all said he was a great man, which is pretty much all you need to know about Hugo Chavez.

also

Daily Mash said:

Guardian Readers Pay Tribute to Man who Would Have Banned the Guardian

[Art0ir]

Zod said:

ralphrj said:

Daily Mash spot on again.

Daily Mash said:

Meanwhile, tributes were paid to Chavez by the usual aholes.

Ken Livingstone, George Galloway and Gerry Adams all said he was a great man, which is pretty much all you need to know about Hugo Chavez.

also

Daily Mash said:

Guardian Readers Pay Tribute to Man who Would Have Banned the Guardian

[Mermaid]

What we want, really, really want are the following as world leaders:

[Victor McDade]

otolith said:

BOR said:

What's Saudi Arabia's record on human rights like ?

Appalling. I wouldn't be eulogising their dead leaders even if I did share a political ideology with them.

Politicians like Ken Livingstone, Galloway etc are hypocrites in the way they suck up to human right abusers like Chavez or Ahmedinijad.

But then is their behaviour any worse than say the Queen who invites bloody dictators to her Diamond Jubilee dinners. Or Prince Charles attending the funeral of Saudi Kings. Or William Hague and David Cameron funding jihadi terrorists in Syria?

When lefties suck up to dictators then there is outrage from many yet when members of our establishment do the same, well then that's politics and something we have to live with.

Edited by Victor McDade on Wednesday 6th March 15:42

[BOR]

Zod said:

also

Daily Mash said:

Guardian Readers Pay Tribute to Man who Would Have Banned the Guardian

Funny ? Yes. Accurate ? No.

The Independent said:

........Much of the privately owned media openly incited and supported the coup: imagine Cameron was kicked out of No 10 by British generals, with the support and incitement of rolling 24-hour news stations. But Venezuela's media is dominated by private broadcasters, some of whom make Fox News look like cuddly lefties. State television could rightly be accused of bias towards the government, which is perhaps why it has a measly 5.4 per cent audience share. Of seven major national newspapers, five support the opposition, and only one is sympathetic to the government.

[otolith]

I'd draw a distinction between diplomacy and personal adulation.

[Andy Zarse]

Victor McDade said:

Politicians like... Galloway etc are hypocrites in the way they suck up to human right abusers like Chavez or Ahmedinijad.

As someone said in another thread (Question Time Panel thread?) last week, he can't take George Galloway seriously as he is now a dead-ringer for Pat Mustard the evil milkman out of Father Ted.

[Johnnytheboy]

According to BBC World Service this AM, residents of more affluent areas of the capital city were letting fireworks off.

[The Don of Croy]

Victor McDade said:

Politicians like Ken Livingstone, Galloway etc are hypocrites in the way they suck up to human right abusers like Chavez or Ahmedinijad.

But then is their behaviour any worse than say the Queen who invites bloody dictators to her Diamond Jubilee dinners. Or Prince Charles attending the funeral of Saudi Kings. Or William Hague and David Cameron funding jihadi terrorists in Syria?

When lefties suck up to dictators then there is outrage from many yet when members of our establishment do the same, well then that's politics and something we have to live with.

I think it is more to do with the negative vibes we receive from them, often publicly. The nutters HMQ has to invite through protocol do not, by and large, badmouth us as that would be against said protocol, and they'd have to return their dinner invite. Mugabe is an exception, but we invite him as the (somehow) elected head of a former colony and therefore it is the people we are really inviting (and when Brenda finally installs a table seating x hundred million we can invite all of them).

Maybe someone could find a better comparison for Venezuela - Brunei perhaps? How have the people benefitted from the mineral wealth, and where has the money gone...?

[MX7]

Guido said:

Tears for Chavez from the usual suspects this morning. A few historical inconveniences that seem to have slipped their minds: Venezuelan hyper-inflation resulted in widespread food shortages; over the decade of Chavez’s rule inflation was over 1,800%. A friend of Castro, Ahamadinejad and Ken Livingstone, according to Freedom House he oversaw a decline in human rights after political arrests and pressurising voters. He supplied the socialist Syrian Assad dictatorship with the diesel that fuels the war machine that is slaughtering the Syrian people. And yet:

Owen Jones: “Really upset to hear of Chavez’s death. Ignore his ignorant critics. A democratically elected fighter for the poor.”

Ken Livingstone: “Hugo Chavez showed there is an alternative to neo-liberalism and colonialism in Venezuela and worldwide. He was a friend & comrade.”

Diane Abbott: “Hugo Chavez has died. Commiserations to his family & the people of Venezuela. Tragedy for Latin America & Caribbean.”

Len McCluskey: “The executive of Unite, the biggest union in Britain and Ireland, wishes to express their deep sadness on behalf of its 1.5 million members at the death of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez. Our sincere condolences go to his family and the people of Venezuela.”

Kevin Maguire: “RIP Hugo Chavez if reports accurate. One of a wave of Lefties who improved lives of South Americans.”

George Galloway: “Farewell Comandante Hugo Chavez champion of the poor the oppressed everywhere. Modern day Spartacus. Rest in Peace.”

Jeremy Corbyn: “Very sad news at death of Chavez; he will leave a huge legacy of a different power relationship in Latin America.”

Grahame Morris: “RIP President Hugo Chavez. Deepest sympathies & respect for a true champion of the people from Labour Friends.”

Chris Williamson: “Desperately sad news from Venezuela. RIP Hugo Chavez you inspired progressives around the world. Viva Bolivar revolution.”

Ian Lavery: “Hugo Chavez has sadly passed on. A true socialist hero inspiring millions of ordinary people.”

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[anonymous-user]

MX7 said:

Guido said:

Tears for Chavez from the usual suspects this morning. A few historical inconveniences that seem to have slipped their minds: Venezuelan hyper-inflation resulted in widespread food shortages; over the decade of Chavez’s rule inflation was over 1,800%. A friend of Castro, Ahamadinejad and Ken Livingstone, according to Freedom House he oversaw a decline in human rights after political arrests and pressurising voters. He supplied the socialist Syrian Assad dictatorship with the diesel that fuels the war machine that is slaughtering the Syrian people.....

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1. Take that (inflated for dramatical purposes!) inflation figure, allocate it to his 14 year tenure (much more than a decade, so obviously misrepresented!) work out an average yearly inflation figure and then compare to rates experienced under Perez and Caldera and then tell me Chavez somehow created inflation in Venezuela somewhat unlike what had been experienced before. Factor in a coup d'etat and a media and business elite actively working to undermine the government too while you're at it.....

2. The concept of blackening his name through association with KL, MA and FC (or RC) is laughable considering the people our government cosy up to. I mean Red Ken, really?!! And then to say he sided with Assad while we side with the likes of the FSA and jihadists or who knows what, i.e. Assad is the antichrist and the FSA etc etc are as pure as winter snow......WTF?!!!!! Guido? Stupido more like...... Its worse than Man U vs Man City!