RN Technician Barred from Wearing Fatigues on Virgin Flight
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Deva Link said:
...you can see they (the military guys) love that when it happens, and I can well imagine a Brit would be excited to be part of that.
I've seen their offer to pay for coffee etc waved away too.
I gather the adulation in America isn't universal but I've seen it first hand in Florida and California.
Germany was the one place I really noticed it. Men on the train would get up to offer their seats to guys half their age in uniform traveling alone. They would politely decline.I've seen their offer to pay for coffee etc waved away too.
I gather the adulation in America isn't universal but I've seen it first hand in Florida and California.
Dixie68 said:
Why not travel in uniform, why be embarrassed? In this country yes I'd have put civvies on at the first opportunity, but in the US it's the norm, it's not odd at all out there.
I'm not embarrassed to wear my uniform in any country but like most things if I have to travel a long distance ill generally also have 5 minutes spare to change out of my uniform into more comfortable clothing. I just don't get why she was travelling in uniform and how the MOD PR people have allowed this story in the papers. If she did go through the correct channels that is.
ecsrobin said:
I just don't get why she was travelling in uniform
Why do you care. The point of the story is the stupid rule or person who made an issue of it. Who knows why she had it on, it isn't he point.Even if it is a genuine rule the excuse that it will scare foreigners is just daft. It's only in this country that it is relatively rare to see military uniform. Every country I've been to I have far more people in u inform traveling about.
Pesty said:
ecsrobin said:
I just don't get why she was travelling in uniform
Why do you care. The point of the story is the stupid rule or person who made an issue of it. Who knows why she had it on, it isn't he point.Even if it is a genuine rule the excuse that it will scare foreigners is just daft. It's only in this country that it is relatively rare to see military uniform. Every country I've been to I have far more people in u inform traveling about.
Fair enough I did drift away from topic.
Back to the topic it's quite a common thing in this country to be discriminated for serving in the forces. Generally it's because people are wrongly informed of company policies.
Just to divert the topic again I actually have to hide my ID in the depths of my wallet if going on a night out as if they see that I'm not getting in.
Back to the topic it's quite a common thing in this country to be discriminated for serving in the forces. Generally it's because people are wrongly informed of company policies.
Just to divert the topic again I actually have to hide my ID in the depths of my wallet if going on a night out as if they see that I'm not getting in.
turbobloke said:
Same here, though I've seen more (relatively) on the London underground recently.
That's probably because the tube started doing free travel if in uniform. Don't know if its still going on. And here's one as to why most people avoid uniform in public
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/9517417/...
speedy_thrills said:
Dixie68 said:
Why not travel in uniform, why be embarrassed? In this country yes I'd have put civvies on at the first opportunity, but in the US it's the norm, it's not odd at all out there.
I’m inclined to agree, surely uniform is a perk of the job. After all I see nurses and some firefighters wearing work cloths down the pub on a friday after work.
king if not more serious disciplinary action. Most NHS trusts make it a disciplinary offence for none-community staff to be out and about in uniform from a reputational point if view even if the IPC reasons are dodgy.
90 + % of the 'nurses' I see in uniform out and about who aren;t obviously community staff during their shifts are in fact home care workers ...
OP said:
I might be a bit old fashion but I’d like to think that armed forces would get some preferential treatment or at least bought the odd drink while waiting around for a flight? Perhaps it’s perceived as "just doing a job" now in the UK.
as I said before the visibility of HM Forces in the community was cranked right down during the period when PIRA were active where even recruiting staff were required to commute in civvies and only change once at the AFCO or exhibition place and operational personnel ( regardless of rank, or service or regular / reservist) were required to travel in 'half blues' or full civvies. When I was in the TA we even travelled to training exercises in what plod would call 'half blues' if travelling in hired buses / MoD 'blow me up buses' or our 'white fleet' minibuses and and vans - you only travelled in uniform if you were taking a land rover, ambulance or a 'green fleet' 4 tonner ( as we also had a 'white fleet' 4*2 truck)...
The USA never had the situation the UK had from the late 1960s to the turn ofthe century with widespread and active domestic terrorism ( resists temptation to mention the overt and covert support for PIRA from the USA ) - For many in the USA 'real' terrorism as a threat to domestic activities is percieved to have started on 11/9/01 ...
Edited by mph1977 on Monday 11th March 12:39
ecsrobin said:
Fair enough I did drift away from topic.
Back to the topic it's quite a common thing in this country to be discriminated for serving in the forces. Generally it's because people are wrongly informed of company policies.
some of it is 'computer says no' =- especially stuff like systems not coping with BFPO addresses ( although there is a well published work around that involves putting the BFPO as the street address and the post code of a BFPO depot in the postcode place .Back to the topic it's quite a common thing in this country to be discriminated for serving in the forces. Generally it's because people are wrongly informed of company policies.
ecsrobin said:
Just to divert the topic again I actually have to hide my ID in the depths of my wallet if going on a night out as if they see that I'm not getting in.
1. the drinking culture of HMforces does not make for a pleasant night out in mixed company, especially if you decide to bring your short-man-syndrome suffering social hand-grenade mate with you ( the kind of person that groups of civvies would avoid taking out with them ).2. large groups of young men are always an issue on nights out regardless of who they work for
3. the historical practice of HMF and plod of trying to avoid admission charges with a flash of the MOD90/ warrant card
4. the principle of "don't let in what you can't get out " in terms of effectively managing the doors ,
Edited by mph1977 on Sunday 10th March 14:04
egor110 said:
She wasn't working though, she was on a 12 hour flight to America then who knows how long the transfer would be.
Most normal people would want to blend in not stand out.
I live pretty much behind a marine camp and most of them change just to travel a mile or so to there married quarters.
??Most normal people would want to blend in not stand out.
I live pretty much behind a marine camp and most of them change just to travel a mile or so to there married quarters.
I live in between several military bases, and you see people in uniform all day long, whether it's Walmart or the local Chinese takeaway. And yes, I know Marines (amongst others) who will be in uniform long before they get on base. I'll take flights here and it's not uncommon for plenty of people to be in uniform (either formal or casual), which would suggest they've spent their entire journey in uniform.....
MPH1977 said:
Most NHS trusts make it a disciplinary offence for none-community staff to be out and about in uniform from a reputational point if view even if the IPC reasons are dodgy.
90 + % of the 'nurses' I see in uniform out and about who aren;t obviously community staff during their shifts are in fact home care workers ...
Really? Round here it's quite common to see nurses and paramedics ( not care home workers) in the supermarkets with their uniforms on. Sit in hospital car park long enough and you see most staff walking or driving in in their uniforms. 90 + % of the 'nurses' I see in uniform out and about who aren;t obviously community staff during their shifts are in fact home care workers ...
Disgusting habit if you ask me, but it does happen quite a lot.
andymadmak said:
MPH1977 said:
Most NHS trusts make it a disciplinary offence for none-community staff to be out and about in uniform from a reputational point if view even if the IPC reasons are dodgy.
90 + % of the 'nurses' I see in uniform out and about who aren;t obviously community staff during their shifts are in fact home care workers ...
Really? Round here it's quite common to see nurses and paramedics ( not care home workers) in the supermarkets with their uniforms on. Sit in hospital car park long enough and you see most staff walking or driving in in their uniforms. 90 + % of the 'nurses' I see in uniform out and about who aren;t obviously community staff during their shifts are in fact home care workers ...
Disgusting habit if you ask me, but it does happen quite a lot.
and are you sure with the Nurses ? and home care workers not 'care home' ... some home care workers do shopping for their clients as part of their programmed activities ...
Staff coming into Hospitals i've worked in obviously in uniform are likely to be challenged by Senior Staff ...
I don't wear uniform at work (CID), but I still travel to and from in "civvies" (jeans/t-shirt) and change into my suit at work. I did the same when I was in uniform. Frankly some of the houses/places I can end up spending my day in/at, I don't want to tramp all that st through my own house when I get home.
t through my own house when I get home.mph1977 said:
andymadmak said:
MPH1977 said:
Most NHS trusts make it a disciplinary offence for none-community staff to be out and about in uniform from a reputational point if view even if the IPC reasons are dodgy.
90 + % of the 'nurses' I see in uniform out and about who aren;t obviously community staff during their shifts are in fact home care workers ...
Really? Round here it's quite common to see nurses and paramedics ( not care home workers) in the supermarkets with their uniforms on. Sit in hospital car park long enough and you see most staff walking or driving in in their uniforms. 90 + % of the 'nurses' I see in uniform out and about who aren;t obviously community staff during their shifts are in fact home care workers ...
Disgusting habit if you ask me, but it does happen quite a lot.
and are you sure with the Nurses ? and home care workers not 'care home' ... some home care workers do shopping for their clients as part of their programmed activities ...
Staff coming into Hospitals i've worked in obviously in uniform are likely to be challenged by Senior Staff ...
andymadmak said:
mph1977 said:
andymadmak said:
MPH1977 said:
Most NHS trusts make it a disciplinary offence for none-community staff to be out and about in uniform from a reputational point if view even if the IPC reasons are dodgy.
90 + % of the 'nurses' I see in uniform out and about who aren;t obviously community staff during their shifts are in fact home care workers ...
Really? Round here it's quite common to see nurses and paramedics ( not care home workers) in the supermarkets with their uniforms on. Sit in hospital car park long enough and you see most staff walking or driving in in their uniforms. 90 + % of the 'nurses' I see in uniform out and about who aren;t obviously community staff during their shifts are in fact home care workers ...
Disgusting habit if you ask me, but it does happen quite a lot.
and are you sure with the Nurses ? and home care workers not 'care home' ... some home care workers do shopping for their clients as part of their programmed activities ...
Staff coming into Hospitals i've worked in obviously in uniform are likely to be challenged by Senior Staff ...
Super Slo Mo said:
n a similar note, my ex-next door neighbour (we moved, due to her and her husband being feral thugs, not that it's relevant) used to go to work (NHS) in her uniform. Does it depend on local/regional rules?
Depends what she does for a living and where; is there a infection control issue?hidetheelephants said:
Super Slo Mo said:
n a similar note, my ex-next door neighbour (we moved, due to her and her husband being feral thugs, not that it's relevant) used to go to work (NHS) in her uniform. Does it depend on local/regional rules?
Depends what she does for a living and where; is there a infection control issue?mph1977 said:
speedy_thrills said:
Dixie68 said:
Why not travel in uniform, why be embarrassed? In this country yes I'd have put civvies on at the first opportunity, but in the US it's the norm, it's not odd at all out there.
I’m inclined to agree, surely uniform is a perk of the job. After all I see nurses and some firefighters wearing work cloths down the pub on a friday after work.king if not more serious disciplinary action. Most NHS trusts make it a disciplinary offence for none-community staff to be out and about in uniform from a reputational point if view even if the IPC reasons are dodgy.
90 + % of the 'nurses' I see in uniform out and about who aren;t obviously community staff during their shifts are in fact home care workers ...
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This is interesting - so the NHS is worried about the damage to its reputation if a nurse heads into a pub on the way home from work (ie not on duty) for a pint.
Would have thought this issues highlighted recently here with the 1200 deaths would do more harm to the NHS reputation then someone been seen in a pub in uniform.
Sounds like high management got their priorities wrong - would you not agree.
Back to the original topic - sounds like a very good reason to avoid flying Vergin Atlantic if you aske me - far too much rule book coming into play and insufficient common sense.
In saying that - theres a bit too much attention seeking going on at the other side of the fence in this story as well. Im sure the lady is fabulous and all - but quite why all the drama of a newspaper article is needed is beyond me.
Sir Fergie
Edited by Sir Fergie on Monday 11th March 12:15
Edited by Sir Fergie on Monday 11th March 12:16
hidetheelephants said:
Super Slo Mo said:
n a similar note, my ex-next door neighbour (we moved, due to her and her husband being feral thugs, not that it's relevant) used to go to work (NHS) in her uniform. Does it depend on local/regional rules?
Depends what she does for a living and where; is there a infection control issue?there is no conclusive IPC reason but it is percieved as better from an IPC point of view
the biuggest issue is enforcement if senior nurses are too busy worrying about ticking boxes and having meetings aobut meetings aobut meetings ...
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