Pork with your brutally slaughtered sausages?

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Caulkhead said:

Jasandjules said:

The sooner we ban totally Halal meat the better IMHO. By all means say a prayer if that is your thing BUT do not allow the animal to suffer. I hope one day we and all of Europe will follow the fine example set by Holland.

Personally I'd be happy with mandatory labelling so I can decide if I want to patronise an establishment that serves meat blessed by imaginary deities or not.

If you feel that strongly about it you could always ask the proprietor.

[Colonial]

Jasandjules said:

The sooner we ban totally Halal meat the better IMHO. By all means say a prayer if that is your thing BUT do not allow the animal to suffer. I hope one day we and all of Europe will follow the fine example set by Holland.

How about Kosher meat? Should that be banned or is that ok?

[Dixie68]

Countdown said:

Caulkhead said:

Jasandjules said:

The sooner we ban totally Halal meat the better IMHO. By all means say a prayer if that is your thing BUT do not allow the animal to suffer. I hope one day we and all of Europe will follow the fine example set by Holland.

Personally I'd be happy with mandatory labelling so I can decide if I want to patronise an establishment that serves meat blessed by imaginary deities or not.

If you feel that strongly about it you could always ask the proprietor.

We shouldn't have to ask, it should be labelled. Pandering to groups of different religions should not be the default position. If you have strict dietary requirements then by all means source your own food, but don't inflict your needs on those that don't want to eat meat slaughtered in that way.

[MadMullah]

From what i know of the manchester school system - more notably in the north of manchester - if your jewish you send them to the local jewish school not the local comp. the local comp and/or the islamic schools is where the muslims tend to go.

i could be totally wrong since it has been a few years

but http://jewishmanchester.org/education-and-schools/ covers the jewish religious schools nicely.

[McWigglebum4th]

Can i be the first one to say


Chicken sausages i bet they are those ones that legally don't even contain any meat

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Dixie68 said:

Countdown said:

Caulkhead said:

Jasandjules said:

The sooner we ban totally Halal meat the better IMHO. By all means say a prayer if that is your thing BUT do not allow the animal to suffer. I hope one day we and all of Europe will follow the fine example set by Holland.

Personally I'd be happy with mandatory labelling so I can decide if I want to patronise an establishment that serves meat blessed by imaginary deities or not.

If you feel that strongly about it you could always ask the proprietor.

We shouldn't have to ask, it should be labelled. Pandering to groups of different religions should not be the default position. If you have strict dietary requirements then by all means source your own food, but don't inflict your needs on those that don't want to eat meat slaughtered in that way.

Not really sure who's doing the "pandering" and "inflicting"? I'm certainly not aware of anybody insisting that halal food is served. If its available, great. If not we go somewhere else. If you've got an issue with halal meat take it up with the suppliers/stop buying stuff from them.

Edited by Countdown on Sunday 17th March 08:08

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I wonder what kind of sausage casings are on these chicken sausages?
Pork/lamb or man made?

[Jasandjules]

Countdown said:

If you feel that strongly about it you could always ask the proprietor.

My preference is to get slaughter without stunning banned in the EU at least so that animals do not suffer unnecessarily. I don't care whether it is muslim, jewish, christian or any other religious belief that gets upset by that, it is not about religion for me but animal cruelty.

And I get my meat from my local butcher and abbatoir and it is not halal. It is also free range/organic - costs me a little more but it is a price I am willing to pay.

[McWigglebum4th]

Jasandjules said:

My preference is to get slaughter without stunning banned in the EU at least so that animals do not suffer unnecessarily. I don't care whether it is muslim, jewish, christian or any other religious belief that gets upset by that, it is not about religion for me but animal cruelty.

And I get my meat from my local butcher and abbatoir and it is not halal. It is also free range/organic - costs me a little more but it is a price I am willing to pay.

There is more to meat welfare then how it meets its end

I think concentrating on Halal is some what blinkered considering what else goes on in farming

I think anyone who buys anything from a big supermarket is on very shaky grounds when moaning about halal. Its not like conventional slaughter is a barrel of laughs for the animal involved.


I always get the distinct feeling that those that bang on about halal while ignoring other things are just having a go at muslims and i'm talking about the daily wail and its readers

[mph1977]

Jasandjules said:

mph1977 said:

you really have swallowed the racist propaganda whole haven;t you ...

Nothing better than the racism card?

The presumption that halal slaughter is any more or less 'humane' than other forms of slaughter, or that halal is vastly different to other 'traditional' ( i.e. none mechanised ) slaughter mechanisms...

stunning doesn;t always work - which is why there is someone with the tools the administer a coup de grace' in 'humane' slaughter houses should the 'electrocution' fail before beheading / slitting the throat or the animal require shooting in the head twice ...

[mph1977]

McWigglebum4th said:

There is more to meat welfare then how it meets its end

I think concentrating on Halal is some what blinkered considering what else goes on in farming

I think anyone who buys anything from a big supermarket is on very shaky grounds when moaning about halal. Its not like conventional slaughter is a barrel of laughs for the animal involved.


I always get the distinct feeling that those that bang on about halal while ignoring other things are just having a go at muslims and i'm talking about the daily wail and its readers

exactly

also the people trumpeting using small local suppliers are more likely to be supporting the use of 'inhumane' methods of slaughter as they believe the hype about the 'humane' methods in the vast industrial slaughter houses ( and forget the guy with the big stick / hatchet / gun who standards watch to deliver a coup de grace if it;s needed )

[McWigglebum4th]

mph1977 said:

McWigglebum4th said:

There is more to meat welfare then how it meets its end

I think concentrating on Halal is some what blinkered considering what else goes on in farming

I think anyone who buys anything from a big supermarket is on very shaky grounds when moaning about halal. Its not like conventional slaughter is a barrel of laughs for the animal involved.


I always get the distinct feeling that those that bang on about halal while ignoring other things are just having a go at muslims and i'm talking about the daily wail and its readers

exactly

also the people trumpeting using small local suppliers are more likely to be supporting the use of 'inhumane' methods of slaughter as they believe the hype about the 'humane' methods in the vast industrial slaughter houses ( and forget the guy with the big stick / hatchet / gun who standards watch to deliver a coup de grace if it;s needed )

I find it laughable that people are perfectly happy about this



Providing they have a cuddle before they get shoved in a machine that dunks their head in an electrified bath before being dragged through a machine that cuts their head off

[eldar]

Jasandjules said:

The sooner we ban totally Halal meat the better IMHO. By all means say a prayer if that is your thing BUT do not allow the animal to suffer. I hope one day we and all of Europe will follow the fine example set by Holland.

I think that was tried by an MP a few years ago. That united the Jews and Moslems

[br d]

Jasandjules said:

The sooner we ban totally Halal meat the better IMHO. By all means say a prayer if that is your thing BUT do not allow the animal to suffer. I hope one day we and all of Europe will follow the fine example set by Holland.

Completely agree JandJ, the laws in this country require animals to be slaughtered in the most humane way available. Unfortunately we are terrified of applying that law to the shouty irrationals in case their chosen fairy gets upset.

[Victor McDade]

McWigglebum4th said:

I think anyone who buys anything from a big supermarket is on very shaky grounds when moaning about halal. Its not like conventional slaughter is a barrel of laughs for the animal involved.

[Caulkhead]

Countdown said:

Caulkhead said:

Jasandjules said:

The sooner we ban totally Halal meat the better IMHO. By all means say a prayer if that is your thing BUT do not allow the animal to suffer. I hope one day we and all of Europe will follow the fine example set by Holland.

Personally I'd be happy with mandatory labelling so I can decide if I want to patronise an establishment that serves meat blessed by imaginary deities or not.

If you feel that strongly about it you could always ask the proprietor.

It needs to made mandatory at government level, both for the benefit of those wish to eat halal and those who do not.

[McWigglebum4th]

eldar said:

Jasandjules said:

The sooner we ban totally Halal meat the better IMHO. By all means say a prayer if that is your thing BUT do not allow the animal to suffer. I hope one day we and all of Europe will follow the fine example set by Holland.

I think that was tried by an MP a few years ago. That united the Jews and Moslems

A little question for you

You can have a choice of 2 lives

The first life you are born into absolute luxury, you spend your life doing pretty as you please with loads of room and decent food. You have a decent length of life and then you get on a nice limo one day and you end up in a nice room sitting on a really comfy chair. Then this bloke wanders in sayes some mumbo jumbo and slits your throat and you pass out after a couple of seconds and you die


The second life you are born into an over crowded hellhole you are kept in a dimly lite stinking room and its hot and crowded. You will never see the outside and you are forced fed drugs and growth hormone to make you grow. The food is dull and basically it is hellish. Then when you are just a teenager suddenly you are crammed into an easy jet flight and trapped in there for 12 hours with everyone screaming and stting. finally you are off loaded in a dark oppressive place that stinks of st and a man grabs you by the temples with a huge pair of pincers and shoves electricity through your brain till you pass out. Then without saying any mumbo jumbo he slits your throat and you die


Which would you prefer?

[Dixie68]

McWigglebum4th said:

I always get the distinct feeling that those that bang on about halal while ignoring other things are just having a go at muslims and i'm talking about the daily wail and its readers

Then in my case at least you would be wrong. Reference your comment about people buying their meat from the supermarket looking at how it is slaughtered compared to Halal; we don't have to do we, because most of it IS Halal from supermarkets now. As I said, it is now the default position.
People have moral objections to the way Halal meat is slaughtered, you can dismiss them as much as you want but why are they being ignored in preference of a religion - and I also don't care if the religion is Muslim, Jewish, Christian or whatever? If this was anything else people would be in an uproar, but as it's the religion that no one dare criticise it's left well alone lest the usual comment of "racist" is uttered.

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Dixie68 said:

...... - and I also don't care if the religion is Muslim, Jewish, Christian or whatever? If this was anything else people would be in an uproar, but as it's the religion that no one dare criticise it's left well alone lest the usual comment of "racist" is uttered.

People like yourself criticise halal meat on the grounds of animal welfare, which is fair enough. However when you consider

90% of halal meat is prepared in the same way as non-halal
The amount of suffering faced by an animal in the last 5 seconds of its life is relatively miniscule compared to what it suffers during the whole of its previous life
The amount of PH threads which oppose hunting/shooting/fishing, or campaign for better conditions for farm animals

then you have to wonder why the PH Animal Rights Brigade get exorcised so much about Halal meat but not (seemingly) about issues which are arguably more important?

[mph1977]

Countdown said:

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Dixie68 said:

...... - and I also don't care if the religion is Muslim, Jewish, Christian or whatever? If this was anything else people would be in an uproar, but as it's the religion that no one dare criticise it's left well alone lest the usual comment of "racist" is uttered.

People like yourself criticise halal meat on the grounds of animal welfare, which is fair enough. However when you consider

90% of halal meat is prepared in the same way as non-halal
The amount of suffering faced by an animal in the last 5 seconds of its life is relatively miniscule compared to what it suffers during the whole of its previous life
The amount of PH threads which oppose hunting/shooting/fishing, or campaign for better conditions for farm animals

then you have to wonder why the PH Animal Rights Brigade get exorcised so much about Halal meat but not (seemingly) about issues which are arguably more important?

exactly , criticism of Halal is purely religious / racist based