Egypt Air flight MS804 missing!

[CAPP0]

AreOut said:

here is the video, although I doubt it's real...the trajectory doesn't remind of a plane falling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OA2KSOuiG8&fe...

Who's claiming to have taken that video?

[KTF]

CAPP0 said:

AreOut said:

here is the video, although I doubt it's real...the trajectory doesn't remind of a plane falling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OA2KSOuiG8&fe...

Who's claiming to have taken that video?

In pprune (before the video was deleted) it was claimed that it was filmed from a ship that was in the area.

As usual the media will be all over it before actually confirming its authenticity so take it with a pinch of salt.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

Greek Defence minister reported at press conference says plane made made sudden swerves at 37000ft

[Eric Mc]

KTF said:

In pprune (before the video was deleted) it was claimed that it was filmed from a ship that was in the area.

As usual the media will be all over it before actually confirming its authenticity so take it with a pinch of salt.

Looks to me more like a re-entering spacecraft or re-entering space debris.

[The Hypno-Toad]

KTF said:

CAPP0 said:

AreOut said:

here is the video, although I doubt it's real...the trajectory doesn't remind of a plane falling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OA2KSOuiG8&fe...

Who's claiming to have taken that video?

In pprune (before the video was deleted) it was claimed that it was filmed from a ship that was in the area.

As usual the media will be all over it before actually confirming its authenticity so take it with a pinch of salt.

With a username that begins with virus, I would suggest that it is more likely to be Father Christmas delivering presents than an airliner crashing.

[Trevatanus]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Greek Defence minister reported at press conference says plane made made sudden swerves at 37000ft

Trying to avoid a SAM?

[TIGA84]

Smollet said:

Yup. No need for this type of stuff. Get some idiot to sensationalise things

Any link to the interview?

[Axionknight]

Trevatanus said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Greek Defence minister reported at press conference says plane made made sudden swerves at 37000ft

Trying to avoid a SAM?

40 miles from the coast and over thirty thousand feet in the air? That's a pretty snazzy weapons system, surely someone would have noticed a missile mounted on the back of a truck knocking about the coastal region?

[essayer]

Trevatanus said:

Trying to avoid a SAM?

These crazy quotes always come out after an incident like this, best ignored until more official news comes out.

You have a media desperate for 24/7 news and these kinds of comments from some supposed 'authority', usually off the record and potentially mistranslated, shouldn't be given much credence.

[SilverSpur]

Trevatanus said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Greek Defence minister reported at press conference says plane made made sudden swerves at 37000ft

Trying to avoid a SAM?

Hmmm, that would have to have been fired from a ship at that location, and to reach that height would have had to have been a seriously capable missile system similar to the one that brought down the Ukranian flight.

I don't think speculation at this time makes any point.

[SilverSpur]

I would also point out that although this is Egypt Air again, there could well be no other link to the Russian jet that was lost.

Malaysian airlines lost two jets in a year and those incidents were totally unrelated, after all.

[BuzzBravado]

SilverSpur said:

Trevatanus said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

Greek Defence minister reported at press conference says plane made made sudden swerves at 37000ft

Trying to avoid a SAM?

Hmmm, that would have to have been fired from a ship at that location, and to reach that height would have had to have been a seriously capable missile system similar to the one that brought down the Ukranian flight.

I don't think speculation at this time makes any point.

Would a civilian airliner have SAM detection? I highly doubt the swerve had anything to do with a missile since they would have no idea one was coming.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

I don't think it'll be like Top Gun where a passenger plane is jinking left and right to avoid bloody missiles!

The plane apparently made a 90 degree left, a 360 degree to the right and then dropped from 37k ft to 15k ft. It dropped off radar at 10k ft

[Trevatanus]

essayer said:

Trevatanus said:

Trying to avoid a SAM?

These crazy quotes always come out after an incident like this, best ignored until more official news comes out.

You have a media desperate for 24/7 news and these kinds of comments from some supposed 'authority', usually off the record and potentially mistranslated, shouldn't be given much credence.

I realise it is highly unlikely, and speculative, but can you think of any reason why an aircraft would make sudden "swerving movements".
It was the first thing that came to mind.
I do not know very much about Surface to Air Missiles, in terms of range etc.

[TIGA84]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I don't think it'll be like Top Gun where a passenger plane is jinking left and right to avoid bloody missiles!

The plane apparently made a 90 degree left, a 360 degree to the right and then dropped from 37k ft to 15k ft. It dropped off radar at 10k ft

Possible hijacker wrestling with controls/pilots etc and it goes wrong - was about to descend, not a bad time time try and take over, the majority of the flight is over and done with?

Sounds ridiculous to even say it, I'm sure someone will tell me to do one shortly.

[wombat172a]

TIGA84 said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I don't think it'll be like Top Gun where a passenger plane is jinking left and right to avoid bloody missiles!

The plane apparently made a 90 degree left, a 360 degree to the right and then dropped from 37k ft to 15k ft. It dropped off radar at 10k ft

Possible hijacker wrestling with controls/pilots etc and it goes wrong - was about to descend, not a bad time time try and take over, the majority of the flight is over and done with?

Sounds ridiculous to even say it, I'm sure someone will tell me to do one shortly.

Could it be something like this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_44...

[CAPP0]

Trevatanus said:

can you think of any reason why an aircraft would make sudden "swerving movements".

Loss of control surfaces due to violent disruption of the airframe.

[MartG]

Eric Mc said:

KTF said:

In pprune (before the video was deleted) it was claimed that it was filmed from a ship that was in the area.

As usual the media will be all over it before actually confirming its authenticity so take it with a pinch of salt.

Looks to me more like a re-entering spacecraft or re-entering space debris.

Looks like that to me too

[essayer]

Trevatanus said:

I realise it is highly unlikely, and speculative, but can you think of any reason why an aircraft would make sudden "swerving movements".
It was the first thing that came to mind.
I do not know very much about Surface to Air Missiles, in terms of range etc.

I meant the reference to 'swerving'.

You or I interpret that as like a car avoiding an obstacle; but maybe it means a course change (normal) or something completely different in the original Greek, but has been interpreted.

I wouldn't focus too much on what people say at this stage.

[Nom de ploom]

TIGA84 said:

LaurasOtherHalf said:

I don't think it'll be like Top Gun where a passenger plane is jinking left and right to avoid bloody missiles!

The plane apparently made a 90 degree left, a 360 degree to the right and then dropped from 37k ft to 15k ft. It dropped off radar at 10k ft

Possible hijacker wrestling with controls/pilots etc and it goes wrong - was about to descend, not a bad time time try and take over, the majority of the flight is over and done with?

Sounds ridiculous to even say it, I'm sure someone will tell me to do one shortly.

massive instrument failure?

corrective action and over correction?