Labour self-destruction

[Johnnytheboy]

ewenm said:

Indeed, but one would be a good start. Big opportunity for a pro-EU centrist party at the moment, without the baggage of LabCon and EURef.

I actually heard the leader of the Libdems on the radio the other day, which was nice.

All he needs now is a few MPs and he's good to go!

[Beati Dogu]

Eric Mc said:

Beati Dogu said:

Are Labour still doing that £3 membership deal?

If so, I fancy Diane Abbott this time.

Nurse.............................

Dressed as a nurse.... Oooh too much.

[Eric Mc]

I'd rather be left to die, to be honest.

[Oilchange]

Bryan's resignation letter

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl56lqUWgAAN14Z.jpg

[Merc 450]

If Corbyn went up against Boris I reckon Boris could get 60 percent of the vote with labour and the liberals wiped out and ukip coming second

[alfie2244]

Eric Mc said:

I'd rather be left to die, to be honest.

[Eric Mc]

alfie2244 said:

Eric Mc said:

I'd rather be left to die, to be honest.

Hattie Jaques on the other hand................

[anonymous-user]

ewenm said:

Indeed, but one would be a good start. Big opportunity for a pro-EU centrist party at the moment, without the baggage of LabCon and EURef.

If the pro-EU Labour MPs and the pro-EU Conservative MPs had the courage to all defect into a new, centrist, pro-EU party, they'd have >300 MPs on day 1 and most likely at least that after a snap GE. The hard left and hard right would be marginalized for a generation or more.

It is a pleasant daydream to think that they might overcome their party lines to move the country forward in this way.

[Eric Mc]

Is the "left/right" split now an obsolete concept?

[alfie2244]

Eric Mc said:

alfie2244 said:

Eric Mc said:

I'd rather be left to die, to be honest.

Hattie Jaques on the other hand................

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha in my best Sid James impersonation.


ps my OH is a nurse

[Eric Mc]

Does she look like Hattie Jaques or Dianne Abbott?

[RichB]

Greg66 said:

..It is a pleasant daydream to think that they might overcome their party lines to move the country forward in this way.

If they were all pro-EU they'd be in conflict with the majority wish of the country or am I misunderstanding?

[ewenm]

RichB said:

If they were all pro-EU they'd be in conflict with the majority wish of the country or am I misunderstanding?

We'd need a GE to establish a mandate for government. If they campaigned on a pro-EU basis and won, presumably that would supersede the referendum result (as that result superseded the last GE result).

[andyb28]

I am far from a Labour voter, but I thought Gisela Stuart came across very well on the BBC debate.

[anonymous-user]

ewenm said:

RichB said:

If they were all pro-EU they'd be in conflict with the majority wish of the country or am I misunderstanding?

We'd need a GE to establish a mandate for government. If they campaigned on a pro-EU basis and won, presumably that would supersede the referendum result (as that result superseded the last GE result).

Exactly. People who've won a vote love to go on about democracy, but democracy's only as good as the most recent vote.

[RichB]

ewenm said:

RichB said:

If they were all pro-EU they'd be in conflict with the majority wish of the country or am I misunderstanding?

We'd need a GE to establish a mandate for government. If they campaigned on a pro-EU basis and won, presumably that would supersede the referendum result (as that result superseded the last GE result).

I am sure you know that's a daft thing to say That's whole idea of a referendum, it cuts across any party politics.

[alfie2244]

Eric Mc said:

Does she look like Hattie Jaques or Dianne Abbott?

I plead the 5th amendment on the grounds she is sitting next to me on the sofa watching every word I type but pretending not to - unfortunately bot in uniform though

[ewenm]

RichB said:

I am sure you know that's a daft thing to say That's whole idea of a referendum, it cuts across any party politics.

So there's no timeframe in which the result of a referendum can be overturned? 10 years? 20 years?

Anyway, if it's the will of the public, a party campaign based on a pro-EU stance wouldn't win in the GE.

[eharding]

Greg66 said:

ewenm said:

RichB said:

If they were all pro-EU they'd be in conflict with the majority wish of the country or am I misunderstanding?

We'd need a GE to establish a mandate for government. If they campaigned on a pro-EU basis and won, presumably that would supersede the referendum result (as that result superseded the last GE result).

Exactly. People who've won a vote love to go on about democracy, but democracy's only as good as the most recent vote.

Precisely. I suspect the outcome of a General Election would result in a national political outcome I would not normally remotely regard as welcome - a Labour / SNP alliance - but would stop an act of monumental folly and permanent vandalism to the national infrastructure.

[gothatway]

ewenm said:

RichB said:

If they were all pro-EU they'd be in conflict with the majority wish of the country or am I misunderstanding?

We'd need a GE to establish a mandate for government. If they campaigned on a pro-EU basis and won, presumably that would supersede the referendum result (as that result superseded the last GE result).

Whether it would be effective depends on whether the Article 50 button had already been pressed.