Brexit or Bregret? poll

[Halmyre]

Alex said:

When I voted 10 minutes ago, Remain was winning. Glad to see normal order has been restored.

Normal for NP&E.

If Pistonheads is the UK, NP&E is Norfolk.

[dromong]

mx5nut said:

Glad you kept the bit where the (majority on PH) Leave side will always manage to play the victim

Very telling.

Very telling when someone uses the a happy smiley when their true feeling is rage.

I know it's only a fairly irrelevant poll on a car orientated website but you must be feeling pretty pissed off at the results so far.

Kind of shows how your relentless attempts to convert brexiteers into your way of thinking just isn't working in the slightest. Oh dear.

[thetapeworm]

2xChevrons said:

jurbie said:

Whilst open to the idea of Brexit I voted remain after the campaigning suggested our politicians didn't really understand the issues enough to deliver a Brexit that would not be harmful to the country. Since the referendum I've not seen anything to change my mind.

Exactly my take as well. The Brexit I could have voted for was not on offer given the position of national discourse at the time and the movers and shakers behind the Leave campaigns. A Brexit on their terms would (and seems to be) taking the Uk further from where I would like it to be, not closer, so I voted Remain.

The unending back-pedalling, roll-overs, capitulation and false starts that have marked the negotiation phase (why kick off Article 50 just eight months after the referendum when it should be the work of years or decades to safely and properly disentangle a nation from the EU?) only make sure I have no regrets. It was the wrong idea being managed by the wrong people.

Absolutely my take on things too - the vote came years too early on the back of politicians with their primary focus being their own career, a misleading bus, pitchforks and the impression that we'd all be dressed in armour, riding lions and taking over the world again.

What we needed was to float the idea, set up an independent research authority to gather the facts of what a leave outcome could be (best case / worst case) and then for this to be presented in full to those interested and in a soundbite Daily Mail format for the people that just like headlines. I don't mean forecasters, I mean people who actually meet with the people running the EU and ask the sort of questions that need answers before kicking things off. Like "what's the deal" and "how much will this cost us" perhaps?

Then vote, when as much information as possible is available, I find it unbelievable that people actually went for a leave vote based on a vague concept. It's like voting to move to Mars and then expecting to go out at the weekend, get in a rocket and step out onto your new red lawn.

It needs time, focus and less wasted money that would be better used for other things right now.

Edited by thetapeworm on Wednesday 10th January 09:44

[RacerMDR]

I'm not talking about on here - as I rarely read the Brexit threads.

I find it really odd, and definitely weird that in the case of Brexit - the people who seem the most ranty and angry and desperate are the remainers.

I guess that's because they lost?

Ordinarily a Brexit type human is the passionate (at best) angry as fk (at worst) about politics and the situation.

The amount of very mild mannered liberal types that I've known for years that are frothing at the mouth (totally out of character I may add) is astounding.

[djc206]

RacerMDR said:

I'm not talking about on here - as I rarely read the Brexit threads.

I find it really odd, and definitely weird that in the case of Brexit - the people who seem the most ranty and angry and desperate are the remainers.

I guess that's because they lost?

Ordinarily a Brexit type human is the passionate (at best) angry as fk (at worst) about politics and the situation.

The amount of very mild mannered liberal types that I've known for years that are frothing at the mouth (totally out of character I may add) is astounding.

I don’t think it’s that surprising. It’s a huge step for our country, one which many feel very strongly is the wrong move to make.

I’m sure if Corbyn wins the next election this place will positively erupt in the internet equivalent of a riot. It’s the polarising effect of something like Brexit or the far left getting into power that fuels such heated arguments. With a normal election you get to choose the colour of tie your PM is going to wear and little else because our political spectrum is so narrow, not so with the EU referendum, it was very much a case of choosing which side of the fence you sat on, sitting on the top and mulling it over for a bit longer wasn’t an option.

[Hayek]

thetapeworm said:

Absolutely my take on things too - the vote came years too early on the back of politicians with their primary focus being their own career, a misleading bus, pitchforks and the impression that we'd all be dressed in armour, riding lions and taking over the world again.

What we needed was to float the idea, set up an independent research authority to gather the facts of what a leave outcome could be (best case / worst case) and then for this to be presented in full to those interested and in a soundbite Daily Mail format for the people that just like headlines.

Then vote, when as much information as possible is available, I find it unbelievable that people actually went for a leave vote based on a vague concept. It's like voting to move to Mars and then expecting to go out at the weekend, get in a rocket and step out onto your new red lawn.

It needs time, focus and less wasted money that would be better used for other things right now.

The EU is not a vague concept though is it, and enough people were sure they didn't want that.

[Hayek]

djc206 said:

RacerMDR said:

I'm not talking about on here - as I rarely read the Brexit threads.

I find it really odd, and definitely weird that in the case of Brexit - the people who seem the most ranty and angry and desperate are the remainers.

I guess that's because they lost?

Ordinarily a Brexit type human is the passionate (at best) angry as fk (at worst) about politics and the situation.

The amount of very mild mannered liberal types that I've known for years that are frothing at the mouth (totally out of character I may add) is astounding.

I don’t think it’s that surprising. It’s a huge step for our country, one which many feel very strongly is the wrong move to make.

I’m sure if Corbyn wins the next election this place will positively erupt in the internet equivalent of a riot. It’s the polarising effect of something like Brexit or the far left getting into power that fuels such heated arguments. With a normal election you get to choose the colour of tie your PM is going to wear and little else because our political spectrum is so narrow, not so with the EU referendum, it was very much a case of choosing which side of the fence you sat on, sitting on the top and mulling it over for a bit longer wasn’t an option.

If Corbyn wins the next election I'm pretty sure no windows will be broken, no effigies hung, and there will be no 'day of rage' from Conservatives/Tories/Christians/Capitalists.

[Hayek]

RacerMDR said:

I'm not talking about on here - as I rarely read the Brexit threads.

I find it really odd, and definitely weird that in the case of Brexit - the people who seem the most ranty and angry and desperate are the remainers.

I guess that's because they lost?

Ordinarily a Brexit type human is the passionate (at best) angry as fk (at worst) about politics and the situation.

The amount of very mild mannered liberal types that I've known for years that are frothing at the mouth (totally out of character I may add) is astounding.

Maybe this image is mostly a media mischaracterisation of the average Brexiteer.

[djc206]

Hayek said:

If Corbyn wins the next election I'm pretty sure no windows will be broken, no effigies hung, and there will be no 'day of rage' from Conservatives/Tories/Christians/Capitalists.

I’m sure you’re right but this place will erupt with predictions of doom and threads about emigrating.

[RacerMDR]

i'm uninterested mostly and therefore uneducated in the world of politics.........but I suspect non of them as an individual have much power do they?

I don't like Corbyn for many reasons - and if he got it I'd be pissed off, but how much damage can one looney really do?

[Not-The-Messiah]

djc206 said:

Hayek said:

If Corbyn wins the next election I'm pretty sure no windows will be broken, no effigies hung, and there will be no 'day of rage' from Conservatives/Tories/Christians/Capitalists.

I’m sure you’re right but this place will erupt with predictions of doom and threads about emigrating.

Perhaps there will be but I doubt you will have many saying that he need to be removed from his job and the decision needs to be reversed immediately.

Personally think he would be a disaster for this country. But if he did win I would just live with it. But can't promise not to go told you so if and when it all goes tits up though.

[thetapeworm]

Hayek said:

thetapeworm said:

Absolutely my take on things too - the vote came years too early on the back of politicians with their primary focus being their own career, a misleading bus, pitchforks and the impression that we'd all be dressed in armour, riding lions and taking over the world again.

What we needed was to float the idea, set up an independent research authority to gather the facts of what a leave outcome could be (best case / worst case) and then for this to be presented in full to those interested and in a soundbite Daily Mail format for the people that just like headlines.

Then vote, when as much information as possible is available, I find it unbelievable that people actually went for a leave vote based on a vague concept. It's like voting to move to Mars and then expecting to go out at the weekend, get in a rocket and step out onto your new red lawn.

It needs time, focus and less wasted money that would be better used for other things right now.

The EU is not a vague concept though is it, and enough people were sure they didn't want that.

The alternative to being in the EU is the vague concept, my point being that it's fine to not want something but you have to get a valid alternative in place before you commit not just an idea.

[Jazzy Jag]

Hayek said:

If Corbyn wins the next election I'm pretty sure no windows will be broken, no effigies hung, and there will be no 'day of rage' from Conservatives/Tories/Christians/Capitalists.

That's because most of us will be at work or will have to get up early in the morning to get to work.

[Integroo]

I'm shocked. I am a European lawyer and a staunch remainer and the general feel amongst my colleagues and contemporaries is that if we had a second referendum tomorrow, remain would walk it. Truly shocked at the number that would vote Brexit despite the shambles that it is and the cost to society and to individuals.

[mx5nut]

djc206 said:

I’m sure if Corbyn wins the next election this place will positively erupt in the internet equivalent of a riot.

Nonsense, I'm sure all the people here who love to tell us how much they respect democracy will stop moaning about him and get behind him to make a success of his leadership

Right?

[amusingduck]

Integroo said:

I'm shocked. I am a European lawyer and a staunch remainer and the general feel amongst my colleagues and contemporaries is that if we had a second referendum tomorrow, remain would walk it. Truly shocked at the number that would vote Brexit despite the shambles that it is and the cost to society and to individuals.

[mx5nut]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Perhaps there will be but I doubt you will have many saying that he need to be removed from his job

There were enough people on the right saying that when he didn't win

[mx5nut]

Integroo said:

I'm shocked. I am a European lawyer and a staunch remainer and the general feel amongst my colleagues and contemporaries is that if we had a second referendum tomorrow, remain would walk it. Truly shocked at the number that would vote Brexit despite the shambles that it is and the cost to society and to individuals.

The Leavers in NP&E tend to be at the more radicalised end of the spectrum.

For them, any amount of damage to the country is acceptable to fulfil their ideological goals.

The average man on the street... not so much.

[mx5nut]

Jazzy Jag said:

Hayek said:

If Corbyn wins the next election I'm pretty sure no windows will be broken, no effigies hung, and there will be no 'day of rage' from Conservatives/Tories/Christians/Capitalists.

That's because most of us will be at work or will have to get up early in the morning to get to work.

But I was told the economy would collapse overnight, public services would grind to a halt and anyone with a few pounds to their name would be fleeing the country if the will of the people elected him.

[anonymous-user]

mx5nut said:

djc206 said:

I’m sure if Corbyn wins the next election this place will positively erupt in the internet equivalent of a riot.

Nonsense, I'm sure all the people here who love to tell us how much they respect democracy will stop moaning about him and get behind him to make a success of his leadership

Right?

People were VERY unhappy here when Tony Blair was in charge, it got even worse when Gordon brown took over. Cameron and May (red Tory) are not liked but tolerable.