Falling car sales .. job losses coming
Discussion
MKnight702 said:
REALIST123 said:
glazbagun said:
.............. It's almost like the government doesn't know why they want what they want.
Nothing new there......Alexander Dennis get rid of lots of temps when there production slows down that’s why they employ production staff as temps, easy come easy go nothing to do with brexit,
The question you should be asking is why non of these firms will do the decent thing and actually create real jobs rather than over a thousand temp jobs these company suffer no penalty getting rid of staff at there leisure,its easy come easy go and yet it’s all blamed on anything other than the employer I think it needs to change
The recruitment agencies that are milking it for all its worth charging the employer double for a single member of staff and in return the employer can just cast you aside whenever they fancy that’s we’re its all gone wrong
The question you should be asking is why non of these firms will do the decent thing and actually create real jobs rather than over a thousand temp jobs these company suffer no penalty getting rid of staff at there leisure,its easy come easy go and yet it’s all blamed on anything other than the employer I think it needs to change
The recruitment agencies that are milking it for all its worth charging the employer double for a single member of staff and in return the employer can just cast you aside whenever they fancy that’s we’re its all gone wrong
Fittster said:
Mr. White said:
Fittster said:
Strange the Daily Mail seemed to have missed the bit about Brexit
That's because it's feck all to do with Brexit. What you don't usually do is make public your actual rationale as it might help your competitors or damage the company.
Have to pay the staff redundancy money that same money the agency is pocketing instead
The employee gets nothing, I wouldn’t want a mortgage on a temp job, would you even get one with temporary work, it’s always about the risk to buisiness what about the risk to the employee, were does it all lead to there never being any permanent jobs for anybody but the management ?
EddieSteadyGo said:
Fittster said:
Mr. White said:
Fittster said:
Strange the Daily Mail seemed to have missed the bit about Brexit
That's because it's feck all to do with Brexit. What you don't usually do is make public your actual rationale as it might help your competitors or damage the company.
Fittster said:
So the stuff about diesel demand dropping off is 100% true and the Brexit stuff is 100% false. If it was purely down to diesel why did JLR feel the need to being brexit into it?
Because their line-up is nearly all diesel, especially for the big sellers and this is entirely down to their management. If they blame brexit then it isn't their fault.davepoth said:
Yes, roughly.
The bit that makes it work is that the UK buys a ridiculous number of "premium" cars per head of population compared to anywhere else in Europe. We buy more BMWs than France, Italy and Japan put together, for example.
In a hypothetical example, Audi, BMW and Mercedes sold a total of 530,000 cars in the UK in 2017. JLR sold 115,000.
In Europe as a whole Audi, BMW and Mercedes sold a total of 2,494,000 cars, and JLR 222,000.
If the walls went up and JLR could only sell in the UK and Audi, BMW and Mercedes couldn't, JLR potentially would have the opportunity to increase their Europe sales by about 200% (assuming no other market entrants), while BMW, Audi and Mercedes would be looking at a loss of about 15%.
So far as components go, ZF builds gearboxes in China - and I expect the vast majority of other tier 2 auto manufacturers do too.
The bit that makes it work is that the UK buys a ridiculous number of "premium" cars per head of population compared to anywhere else in Europe. We buy more BMWs than France, Italy and Japan put together, for example.
In a hypothetical example, Audi, BMW and Mercedes sold a total of 530,000 cars in the UK in 2017. JLR sold 115,000.
In Europe as a whole Audi, BMW and Mercedes sold a total of 2,494,000 cars, and JLR 222,000.
If the walls went up and JLR could only sell in the UK and Audi, BMW and Mercedes couldn't, JLR potentially would have the opportunity to increase their Europe sales by about 200% (assuming no other market entrants), while BMW, Audi and Mercedes would be looking at a loss of about 15%.
So far as components go, ZF builds gearboxes in China - and I expect the vast majority of other tier 2 auto manufacturers do too.
<insert not sure if serious meme right about here>
"potentially would have the opportunity"
How can you not love NP&E.
EddieSteadyGo said:
Because often companies make up reasons for public consumption which sound vaguely plausible. I know because I've done it myself.
What you don't usually do is make public your actual rationale as it might help your competitors or damage the company.
Or, the uncertainty and lack of confidence caused by Brexit uncertainty could be the actual reason?What you don't usually do is make public your actual rationale as it might help your competitors or damage the company.
loose cannon said:
The employee gets nothing, I wouldn’t want a mortgage on a temp job, would you even get one with temporary work, it’s always about the risk to buisiness what about the risk to the employee, were does it all lead to there never being any permanent jobs for anybody but the management ?
I've been a 'temp' for the last 26 years. Getting a mortgage is not a problem as my payscales are massively higher than if I were an employee. The risk to the temp employee is AFAIAC less than to the permanent staff as redundancy to them is a nightmare, to me it's routine.Being freelance isn't all doom & gloom as you suggest- many do it because they wish to.
cb31 said:
Fittster said:
So the stuff about diesel demand dropping off is 100% true and the Brexit stuff is 100% false. If it was purely down to diesel why did JLR feel the need to being brexit into it?
Because their line-up is nearly all diesel, especially for the big sellers and this is entirely down to their management. If they blame brexit then it isn't their fault.To be honest a torquey diesel suits larger off roaders more than the s
t 4 pot petrols that will be introduced to replace them. I was talking to a customer on Friday and he has bent his own company rules by taking a diesel XC90. He tried both petrol and diesel and was getting roughly 40% of the diesels mpg figures in the petrol. That's hardly great for the environment either is it?jjlynn27 said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
Because often companies make up reasons for public consumption which sound vaguely plausible. I know because I've done it myself.
What you don't usually do is make public your actual rationale as it might help your competitors or damage the company.
Or, the uncertainty and lack of confidence caused by Brexit uncertainty could be the actual reason?What you don't usually do is make public your actual rationale as it might help your competitors or damage the company.
It's hardly surprising that for some, making such a large commitment in terms of monetary spend be it as a lump sum or spread over any number of years is not something that some would find comfortable with at such a time, so yes, Brexit is also having an impact on sales.
Fast Bug said:
To be honest a torquey diesel suits larger off roaders more than the st 4 pot petrols that will be introduced to replace them.
Too right, I own a Disco 4 which I love, no way am I going to replace it until the whole diesel thing has calmed down. New disco with a petrol v8, great apart from it would bankrupt me, new disco with ingenium 4 pot with a massive turbo, not a chance.t 4 pot petrols that will be introduced to replace them. Same with my wifes diesel golf, works perfectly well at the 20k/yr job it does, 55-65mpg and tax free but unfortunately EU5 so won't last forever. Not going to replace it either until everything settles down.
So in my experience of 1, we have two 5-6 year old cars that we would normally think about replacing now but no, 2 new car sales lost due to diesel worries rather than brexit.
Rovinghawk said:
I've been a 'temp' for the last 26 years. Getting a mortgage is not a problem as my payscales are massively higher than if I were an employee. The risk to the temp employee is AFAIAC less than to the permanent staff as redundancy to them is a nightmare, to me it's routine.
Being freelance isn't all doom & gloom as you suggest- many do it because they wish to.
Being freelance isn't the same as being a temporary production operator in a factory. Those jobs are more like the zero-hours contracts in shops than they are freelance contractor type jobs. Being freelance isn't all doom & gloom as you suggest- many do it because they wish to.
Fast Bug said:
To be honest a torquey diesel suits larger off roaders more than the st 4 pot petrols that will be introduced to replace them. I was talking to a customer on Friday and he has bent his own company rules by taking a diesel XC90. He tried both petrol and diesel and was getting roughly 40% of the diesels mpg figures in the petrol. That's hardly great for the environment either is it?
The stupid thing is that an EU6 diesel will be cleaner overall than a petrol.t 4 pot petrols that will be introduced to replace them. I was talking to a customer on Friday and he has bent his own company rules by taking a diesel XC90. He tried both petrol and diesel and was getting roughly 40% of the diesels mpg figures in the petrol. That's hardly great for the environment either is it?LandRover products have always had notoriously bad diesel MPG - the petrol figures don't bear thinking about,
Earthdweller said:
Mr. White said:
Fittster said:
Strange the Daily Mail seemed to have missed the bit about Brexit
That's because it's feck all to do with Brexit. I’d agree naff all to do with Brexit .. other than politicians have ducked this up .. this is the EU
Maybe if we get Brexit .. we can have as many polluting diesel cars as we like
After all hasn’t trump removed all the emissions/mpg targets from US cars ?
Sheepshanks said:
Fast Bug said:
To be honest a torquey diesel suits larger off roaders more than the st 4 pot petrols that will be introduced to replace them. I was talking to a customer on Friday and he has bent his own company rules by taking a diesel XC90. He tried both petrol and diesel and was getting roughly 40% of the diesels mpg figures in the petrol. That's hardly great for the environment either is it?
The stupid thing is that an EU6 diesel will be cleaner overall than a petrol.t 4 pot petrols that will be introduced to replace them. I was talking to a customer on Friday and he has bent his own company rules by taking a diesel XC90. He tried both petrol and diesel and was getting roughly 40% of the diesels mpg figures in the petrol. That's hardly great for the environment either is it?LandRover products have always had notoriously bad diesel MPG - the petrol figures don't bear thinking about,
He's also going to raise his prices to counter an ever increasing fuel bill due to switching to petrol. He's even being forced to look at petrol for the 100 odd vans he runs. A Petrol van won't really suit his needs due to the weight his guys carry, they'll be thrashing the tits of them to get the moving which will impact fuel bills even further. Diesels have their place, large vehicles, vans and those doing big miles. City centre and low mileage users petrol and hybrids will suit fine, but he has a blanket fleet policy
Fittster said:
So why are JLR saying it is one of the two factors behind the reduction in the number of staff?
It's an easy excuse; better than admitting any failure of foresight to see the way the car industry was headed.If they had a £35k EV with a 250 mile range on the market, the news would be about their job increases. No doubt "despite Brexit".
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