Dyson job losses

[ex1]

Welshbeef said:

Troubleatmill said:

Too expensive - and too far away from the target markets.

Target market being U.K. EU USA

Asia is by far their largest market. China alone will be bigger than all the markets you’ve mentions.

Regarding the EU it’s possible to believe in leave and think the gov have fked it all up and we will get the worst of everything.

[zygalski]

otis criblecoblis said:

Dindoit said:

Nothing to see here. Everything is fine.

Farage’s kids with German passports
Lawson off to France
Mogg’s fund to Dublin
Ratcliffe gone to Monaco

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Who could have predicted this thread would have attracted the dolt end of the Remain vote to post gibberish ?

Exactly.
It's 100% definitely, most certainly, irrefutably not a case of the brexit rats leaving a sinking ship.
Dyson leaving the UK 60-odd days before Brexit has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.

[JagLover]

Welshbeef said:

So it’s all about Greed and only 2% at that.... when £9.6bilion in the bank simply will not do.

If it’s not the greed 2% then he is stating that U.K. workers are not as good as Singapore it’s one or the other.

How much Dyson product does he sell to the U.K. v rest of the world?

Why did he champion the U.K. and his investment in the Dyson electric car so the U.K. could lead the way in EV be one of the first movers... then pull out? Something stinks

I would imagine that he, and many other business owners, are more worried about Labour's plans to seize 10% of UK companies, rather than a 2% saving on CT (headline rates can be fairly meaningless for eventual tax liabilities as well).

He has probably looked at the current political mess and realised that the chance of a Labour victory is now high.

To add further detail, and I am not saying that moving the HQ to Singapore would definitely mitigate against this.

Guardian said:

The funds would cover 40% of the private-sector workforce, or 10.7 million people. Foreign-owned companies would not be included...…...Because the policy would not work for foreign-owned firms, they warn it could encourage major British firms to move their stock exchange listing overseas.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/sep/24/how-would-labour-plan-to-give-workers-10-stake-in-big-firms-work

Edited by JagLover on Wednesday 23 January 06:48

[Sa Calobra]

Piha said:

Huge PR blunder by Dyson imo.

This announcement could alienate many Brexiteers, for whatever reason seem to worship him like some kind of god. I bet it doesn't do UK sales a lot of good but I don't think Jimmy D will be too concerned about UK sales post Brexit.

I voted leave.
I've no idea about or care about vacuum cleaners.
What's UK sales got to do with moving management team to somewhere else?

Why do remainers never actually read the effects of the EU and always say untruths?

Apparently only old racists voted leave.

[anonymous-user]

R&D is staying I presume?

[Not-The-Messiah]

ex1 said:

Asia is by far their largest market. China alone will be bigger than all the markets you’ve mentions.

Regarding the EU it’s possible to believe in leave and think the gov have fked it all up and we will get the worst of everything.

Will be interesting to see if they can succeed there. The Chinese market is very different to the western one. At the moment there products are seen as a bit of a status symbol a gimmick by Chinese trying to show off same with iPhones.
But China don't have the same intellectual property protection. As others have already posted knock-off ones are already on the market. I believe the gimmick side of it will fade away and people will realise that they can buy something just as good for half the price. The Chinese and Asians in general a quite savvy with their money.
Personally think Dyson Will get chewed up and spat out in the Asian market. Hope they don't and actual do well and prove me wrong.

[otis criblecoblis]

zygalski said:

otis criblecoblis said:

Dindoit said:

Nothing to see here. Everything is fine.

Farage’s kids with German passports
Lawson off to France
Mogg’s fund to Dublin
Ratcliffe gone to Monaco

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Who could have predicted this thread would have attracted the dolt end of the Remain vote to post gibberish ?

Exactly.
It's 100% definitely, most certainly, irrefutably not a case of the brexit rats leaving a sinking ship.
Dyson leaving the UK 60-odd days before Brexit has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.

Another dolt turns up and posts more gibberish. Try to think on what the poster actually posted and tell me it's not unrelated inaccurate crap, much like the thread title.

[Toaster]

ex1 said:

Welshbeef said:

Troubleatmill said:

Too expensive - and too far away from the target markets.

Target market being U.K. EU USA

Asia is by far their largest market. China alone will be bigger than all the markets you’ve mentions.

Regarding the EU it’s possible to believe in leave and think the gov have fked it all up and we will get the worst of everything.

Given the downturn in China that market may not be as big as some believe, the point is http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/press/index.cfm?i... Europe have a trade deal with Singapore one we could take advantage of as a country, strike our own deal?.......we can't even strike a deal with the EU so what makes people think our trade deals with the world will be better than the EU which after all is a much bigger market than the UK or England and Wales if the other parts bugger off after Brexit.

Edited by Toaster on Wednesday 23 January 09:56

[Trolleys Thank You]

Welshbeef said:

Toaster said:

Welshbeef said:

And he personally refuses to make any comment to the press speaks volumes.

Indeed and we will see just who benefits if and when we leave, I'm pretty sure its not going to be the ordinary man and woman.

I’m a leaver and am disgusted by Dysons behaviour - alegidly a leaver himself yet the no deal which he championed is not good enough for him all of a sudden. Maybe this was his plan all along and leverage a No deal outcome to assist.

Fair play and well said.

[So]

Trolleys Thank You said:

Welshbeef said:

Toaster said:

Welshbeef said:

And he personally refuses to make any comment to the press speaks volumes.

Indeed and we will see just who benefits if and when we leave, I'm pretty sure its not going to be the ordinary man and woman.

I’m a leaver and am disgusted by Dysons behaviour - alegidly a leaver himself yet the no deal which he championed is not good enough for him all of a sudden. Maybe this was his plan all along and leverage a No deal outcome to assist.

Fair play and well said.

On the face of it, it seems a bit incongruous doesn’t it. Sort of, “I won’t be suffering the consequences of this, but I think you lot should leave”.

Has he issued an explanation?

[Piha]

ex1 said:

Piha said:

Huge PR blunder by Dyson imo.

The majority couldnt give a st where anything comes from as long as its better/cheaper/trendier.

Dyson is a sensible chap I'm sure the growth in Asia is much more important than your opinion.

Edited by ex1 on Wednesday 23 January 01:06

Is this the same James Dyson that was demanding the UK join the single currency or he would move out of the UK?

Let us all think about this for a moment, Jimmy D demanded the UK joins the single currency and also demands the UK leaves the EU. And then goes to a country that signs a trade deal with the EU.

Sensible indeed......

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2000/nov/05/t...

[WestyCarl]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Will be interesting to see if they can succeed there. The Chinese market is very different to the western one. At the moment there products are seen as a bit of a status symbol a gimmick by Chinese trying to show off same with iPhones.
But China don't have the same intellectual property protection. As others have already posted knock-off ones are already on the market. I believe the gimmick side of it will fade away and people will realise that they can buy something just as good for half the price. The Chinese and Asians in general a quite savvy with their money.
Personally think Dyson Will get chewed up and spat out in the Asian market. Hope they don't and actual do well and prove me wrong.

China / Japan / Asian is already their largest market. My guess is that their new EV car is specifically aimed at this market and not the UK. Hence, we'll hate it but they sell loads in Asia.

[kev1974]

Surprised they lasted so long in the UK to be honest. If you go overseas you see their products advertised and on sale everywhere just like in the UK, they are a truly global brand these days. They were just launching the Dyson Airwrap hair curler thing when I was in Singapore last year, and it was advertised everywhere and with special dedicated concessions inside all the big department stores on Orchard Road, so might as well make them there as well.

[PositronicRay]

So said:

Trolleys Thank You said:

Welshbeef said:

Toaster said:

Welshbeef said:

And he personally refuses to make any comment to the press speaks volumes.

Indeed and we will see just who benefits if and when we leave, I'm pretty sure its not going to be the ordinary man and woman.

I’m a leaver and am disgusted by Dysons behaviour - alegidly a leaver himself yet the no deal which he championed is not good enough for him all of a sudden. Maybe this was his plan all along and leverage a No deal outcome to assist.

Fair play and well said.

On the face of it, it seems a bit incongruous doesn’t it. Sort of, “I won’t be suffering the consequences of this, but I think you lot should leave”.

Has he issued an explanation?

I notice Nigel Farage has been on his hind legs. "We should stop being so Europe centric and engage globally" meanwhile the kippers are critising globalist.

Mixed messages, I guess you can't criticise Dyson. He's got to do the best he can for him and his company during unstable times.

[Downward]

lbc said:

The Gadget Show tested their fans last year, and their £200-£300 model was no better than a normal fan costing £15 from a supermarket.

Maybe no better but the dyson has no moving parts and is virtually silent.
Because of the lack of blades it’s ideal for medical areas where infection control is key. They can be cleaned a lot easier than the £15 fan and the lack of noise means it’s suitable for multi bedded bays and offices where the clinical staff have to make phone calls to patients and their families.

[anonymous-user]

otis criblecoblis said:

zygalski said:

otis criblecoblis said:

Dindoit said:

Nothing to see here. Everything is fine.

Farage’s kids with German passports
Lawson off to France
Mogg’s fund to Dublin
Ratcliffe gone to Monaco

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Who could have predicted this thread would have attracted the dolt end of the Remain vote to post gibberish ?

Exactly.
It's 100% definitely, most certainly, irrefutably not a case of the brexit rats leaving a sinking ship.
Dyson leaving the UK 60-odd days before Brexit has absolutely nothing to do with Brexit.

Another dolt turns up and posts more gibberish. Try to think on what the poster actually posted and tell me it's not unrelated inaccurate crap, much like the thread title.

It's all about the dolts. Dolts this and dolts that.

[Vaud]

Dindoit said:

Nothing to see here. Everything is fine.
Mogg’s fund to Dublin

No. Mogg opened a NEW fund in Dublin. Incremental to the existing ones. Not a move.

[DMN]

Looks like the plan is for more than just the HQ out there:

https://old.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/aixy2...

[Piha]

Vaud said:

No. Mogg opened a NEW fund in Dublin. Incremental to the existing ones. Not a move.

Phew...!!!

Did you tell James Dyson?

[J4CKO]

Downward said:

lbc said:

The Gadget Show tested their fans last year, and their £200-£300 model was no better than a normal fan costing £15 from a supermarket.

Maybe no better but the dyson has no moving parts and is virtually silent.
Because of the lack of blades it’s ideal for medical areas where infection control is key. They can be cleaned a lot easier than the £15 fan and the lack of noise means it’s suitable for multi bedded bays and offices where the clinical staff have to make phone calls to patients and their families.

It has moving parts, they are just in the base, lots of clever acoustics and aerodynamics at play in them.

I guess the £15 fan is a motor with some blades attached, its equally effective but the engineering doesnt go very deep, you could make your own and it wouldnt be that far off, but the Dyson one is pretty clever, not somethign I would really buy as for the times I need a fan the ones in the loft rooted out of skips at work are fine, they obviously have a market.

Dyson is doing the clever stuff like that over here, actually making can be done anywhere that can provide a workforce who can follow the process to mold, build and QA the product.

So that can be done cheaper, and the company makes more profits but for someone so opinionated about what is good for the country, someone with so much wealth, I would have thought he could have kept manufacturing here. Is he still in complete control of the company anyway ?

He is of course, only doing what a lot of companies do, they are investing in certain areas which is a good thing but I think that he needs to stick to making stuff and not stick his oar in politically.