Police Officer killed on duty
Discussion
Cantaloupe said:
Don't get your hopes up, it's not going to be a murder charge if he was struck by a car.
Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .
No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.
A saw a single twitter post (and I caveat that I have no knowledge of it's accuracy) that said the officer had been struck by a car, dragged along the road and then struck by a different car - so there may be a possibility that it was murder.Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .
No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.
Which would explain the 10 arrests (2 vehicles?)
Cantaloupe said:
Don't get your hopes up, it's not going to be a murder charge if he was struck by a car.
Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .
No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.
CPS: "If the vehicle was intentionally used as a weapon to kill or commit grievous bodily harm, a charge of murder may be considered."Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .
No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic...
Cantaloupe said:
Don't get your hopes up, it's not going to be a murder charge if he was struck by a car.
Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .
No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.
Doesn’t have to be an intention to kill for a murder charge. It’s intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm.Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .
No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.
If there’s evidence that the suspect has driven deliberately at the officer then it won’t be to difficult to get a murder conviction. Identifying the driver might be problematic though if the cop was there on his own and no other witnesses.
essayer said:
CPS: "If the vehicle was intentionally used as a weapon to kill or commit grievous bodily harm, a charge of murder may be considered."
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic...
How do you prove which of the 10 animals was driving the vehicle?https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic...
Gary29 said:
essayer said:
CPS: "If the vehicle was intentionally used as a weapon to kill or commit grievous bodily harm, a charge of murder may be considered."
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic...
How do you prove which of the 10 animals was driving the vehicle?https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic...
I don't think the death penalty will ever reapper in the UK so it's irrelevant anyway.
I don't know. Perhaps they are more, equally or less 'brazen' now compared to 'years ago'.
markcoznottz said:
Even you would have to admit travellers are more brazen nowadays. Years ago a bit of metal theft, dodgy tarmacing.
Are they? I don't know. Perhaps they are more, equally or less 'brazen' now compared to 'years ago'.
Cantaloupe said:
Don't get your hopes up, it's not going to be a murder charge if he was struck by a car.
Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .
No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.
Pre-mediation is irrelevant, but you may be right, vehicle deaths are usually not murder. Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .
No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.
JonnyJustice said:
Also, are we sure the policeman who sadly died was definitely responding alone?
As if so, who was there to arrest these 10 perps?
Purely speculation on my part, I'd guess that the arresting PC radios in what's happening, maybe he knows the vehicles or occupants, gets run over, and the Police then send a mob to the camp to arrest every male that's there? As if so, who was there to arrest these 10 perps?
Gary29 said:
essayer said:
CPS: "If the vehicle was intentionally used as a weapon to kill or commit grievous bodily harm, a charge of murder may be considered."
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic...
How do you prove which of the 10 animals was driving the vehicle?https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/road-traffic...
ED209 said:
Cantaloupe said:
Don't get your hopes up, it's not going to be a murder charge if he was struck by a car.
Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .
No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.
Doesn’t have to be an intention to kill for a murder charge. It’s intention to kill or cause grievous bodily harm.Difficult to prove the action was premeditated with an intention to kill .
No-one will spend much time in stir, mark my words.
If there’s evidence that the suspect has driven deliberately at the officer then it won’t be to difficult to get a murder conviction. Identifying the driver might be problematic though if the cop was there on his own and no other witnesses.
Back in 2015 PC Dave Phillips was killed after he deployed stinger in an attempt to stop a stolen vehicle.
The vehicle was driven straight at him. He died at the scene after sustaining horrific injuries.
Clayton Williams (a prolific offender) was convicted of manslaughter and received a 20 year sentence.
The hairs on the back of my neck stood up when I read the report of this latest incident - it bears similarities to PC Phillips' death.
RIP 6554.
RIP PC Harper.
Edited by Red 4 on Friday 16th August 14:34
troika said:
Brooking10 said:
And what laws aren’t they subject to ?
Anything to do with HMRC. You or I would be (quite rightly) inside for fraud and tax evasion. They frequently crack open gates and fences around here to park where they want. The only action ever taken appears to be providing toilets.
eldar said:
Jasey_ said:
As I said on the Death Penalty Thread it's a cull we're needing!
Wipe out the scum completely and everything is immediately better - Even Brexit might become more attractive if we didn't have to support such scum levels !
This is scary. Obviously history teaches some people nothing.Wipe out the scum completely and everything is immediately better - Even Brexit might become more attractive if we didn't have to support such scum levels !
MiniMan64 said:
Breaking and entering?
They frequently crack open gates and fences around here to park where they want. The only action ever taken appears to be providing toilets.
Real problems with this round here too (Dorset). Forced entry to closed locations, locals intimidated and huge mess left. It's become worse year on year and very little is done to actually stop it.They frequently crack open gates and fences around here to park where they want. The only action ever taken appears to be providing toilets.
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