Pubs

[rxe]

crankedup said:

I don’t wish to appear to be overly negative and I am a supporter of pubs, but I do not see how beer gardens and hatch serving resolve the problem. I’m thinking virus transmission via glasses and cutlery/chinaware.
The local village pub where my lad lives are offering take a way pub grub and currently still serving in the pub for as long as permitted.

Clearly there is a risk.

Would I do into a pub that is full - of course not.

Would I go into a pub that was fairly empty - yes. I run the risk of catching it off the cutlery, but then I run the risk of catching it off the wrapper on the butter that a human has touched at some stage in the supply chain.

Same with shopping. Going to a supermarket is a risk. Getting stuff delivered is a risk, but probably less of a risk.

[Stussy]

My mrs has now had lots of hours cut back, but they’re still open.
Her daughter and son in law both work in another restaurant in the same village, she had been laid off and he’s still there due to being the chef.
Most places down here now offering take away and some delivery when they didn’t before

[crankedup]

rxe said:

crankedup said:

I don’t wish to appear to be overly negative and I am a supporter of pubs, but I do not see how beer gardens and hatch serving resolve the problem. I’m thinking virus transmission via glasses and cutlery/chinaware.
The local village pub where my lad lives are offering take a way pub grub and currently still serving in the pub for as long as permitted.

Clearly there is a risk.

Would I do into a pub that is full - of course not.

Would I go into a pub that was fairly empty - yes. I run the risk of catching it off the cutlery, but then I run the risk of catching it off the wrapper on the butter that a human has touched at some stage in the supply chain.

Same with shopping. Going to a supermarket is a risk. Getting stuff delivered is a risk, but probably less of a risk.

Fair comments, the difference is in that we have to eat to survive, we can live without going to the pub (perish the thought but it’s true). Obviously it harks back to hand washing.

[Mobile Chicane]

crankedup said:

I don’t wish to appear to be overly negative and I am a supporter of pubs, but I do not see how beer gardens and hatch serving resolve the problem. I’m thinking virus transmission via glasses and cutlery/chinaware.
The local village pub where my lad lives are offering take a way pub grub and currently still serving in the pub for as long as permitted.

You do realise that the temps in a commercial dishwasher kill everything. Moreover, as a matter of course, food service staff are told to cough / sneeze into tissue, bin it and wash their hands. This is long before The Virus, as it's just good hygiene.

I'd be concerned about 'catching something' from the asymptomatic infected punters, not the crockery.

[biggbn]

Hoofy said:

Digga said:

biggbn said:

The other half comes from delivering training courses, they too are kaiboshed for the foreseeable.

FWIW, is there any way you can set things up to deliver the courses via remote video link?

Yes - many people including me are taking it to Zoom. If she's employed, then she will need to get her employer to change fast.

Not for me I'm afraid as there is a physical intervention part to my syllabus. My university course has changed to online teaching.

[crankedup]

Mobile Chicane said:

crankedup said:

I don’t wish to appear to be overly negative and I am a supporter of pubs, but I do not see how beer gardens and hatch serving resolve the problem. I’m thinking virus transmission via glasses and cutlery/chinaware.
The local village pub where my lad lives are offering take a way pub grub and currently still serving in the pub for as long as permitted.

You do realise that the temps in a commercial dishwasher kill everything. Moreover, as a matter of course, food service staff are told to cough / sneeze into tissue, bin it and wash their hands. This is long before The Virus, as it's just good hygiene.

I'd be concerned about 'catching something' from the asymptomatic infected punters, not the crockery.

Yes I understand that, it is the punters that are the risk my concern would be the interim period from customer use left on tables, collection from tables to washing. I’m not against pubs or restaurants at all, I support them as a punter and investor, but the truth is they are both, along with most other venues, a transmission threat.

[alfaman]

Sad if UK pubs close or go out of business.

Watching it all from Singapore... Life is pretty much as normal with very low infection rate.

Pity the UK didn't take the right action and nowhere near early enough. UK now taking extreme measures which could harm the economy

[tobinen]

Local is open! I will be there in about one hour.

[crankedup]

alfaman said:

Sad if UK pubs close or go out of business.

Watching it all from Singapore... Life is pretty much as normal with very low infection rate.

Pity the UK didn't take the right action and nowhere near early enough. UK now taking extreme measures which could harm the economy

I don’t foresee pubs going out of business as a direct result of the virus implications. Government have told us that they are supporting U.K. businesses and that support will grow to whatever is required. It looks like wages are going to be included within the support packages.
I struggle to understand how life in Singapore can be expressed as ‘pretty much as normal’ when it’s commonly known how draconian the measures have been in the Country in its efforts to contain the threat. It appears that if these measures are working, which as you say, are working then lessons to the rest of the World will need to be learned.
Smart moves by the Authorities of Singapore but likely European Governments very very reluctant in introducing similar measures into such heavily populated Countries.?

[crankedup]

tobinen said:

Local is open! I will be there in about one hour.

Have a pint for me

[fido]

crankedup said:

I struggle to understand how life in Singapore can be expressed as ‘pretty much as normal’ when it’s commonly known how draconian the measures have been in the Country in its efforts to contain the threat.

Draconian but in a good way. Read the BBC article on the Corona Detectives. I'd rather be there than here at this very moment. People feel safe and trust the government - as you can see from these threads that's not the case here. Having said that I do badly need a pint at the moment.

[stongle]

crankedup said:

Have a pint for me

Have a cheers. Just popped in to mine for a swift one. 3 of us in there, all sat 2m apart; but just about talking distance.

If that's still an option, I'll continue to go - but not if overly busy. A pub is a vital part of any community, even if it's in London. Being locked at home right now and teaching the kids is enough to drive anyone insane without social interaction. Day 3 and it's tough!!!!

Bar staff all basically zero hour, so likely to get the bullet. Takings at 25 per hour right now. Hopefully, the upswing is massive.

I think the positive of all this will be a huge swing towards business run on EEG grounds - ethical, environmental and (strong) governance basis. So many firms have been taking the piss for years - we might see a shift. Zero rate measures, help transition accordingly (plus 300bn and change).

[oyster]

alfaman said:

Sad if UK pubs close or go out of business.

Watching it all from Singapore... Life is pretty much as normal with very low infection rate.

Pity the UK didn't take the right action and nowhere near early enough. UK now taking extreme measures which could harm the economy

Isolating Singapore and isolating the UK are not even in the same league.

[crankedup]

fido said:

crankedup said:

I struggle to understand how life in Singapore can be expressed as ‘pretty much as normal’ when it’s commonly known how draconian the measures have been in the Country in its efforts to contain the threat.

Draconian but in a good way. Read the BBC article on the Corona Detectives. I'd rather be there than here at this very moment. People feel safe and trust the government - as you can see from these threads that's not the case here. Having said that I do badly need a pint at the moment.

Yes I have read about how Singapore managed the virus threat, good for them. However, it is equally understood that Singapore is a tiny Nation with a small population. Much easier to enact draconian measure perhaps, that is what is said anyway. Also culturally would the likes of U.K. , France, Germany and others accept such measures in the very early stages of a threat?
I do agree that I wish I was living in Singapore at the moment
I prefer not to distrust the Government over issues of safety, such as this virus, certainly not over waffle, including my own, in internet chats.

[Doofus]

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[Jaaws]

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[anonymous-user]

Jaaws said:

But someone else may. That's the whole point of HMG's advice about reducing social contacts

Yes reducing not full stop. The point is people are aware but we haven't had a lockdown yet so people can have a pint, they just need to watch how they interact with others.

[Doofus]

Thesprucegoose said:

Jaaws said:

But someone else may. That's the whole point of HMG's advice about reducing social contacts

Yes reducing not full stop. The point is people are aware but we haven't had a lockdown yet so people can have a pint, they just need to watch how they interact with others.

If that means that strangers can't strike up a conversation with you when you're trying to have a piss, then I'm in favour.

[Gecko1978]

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[anonymous-user]

Gecko1978 said:

And if they don't there is a chance alot of thoes elderly mothers might be properly fked.

look at context, the financial implications will be vastly greater than the people that die. It is a balancing act. At least 100k people now without jobs or close to jobless.