Bianca Williams stop accusing race motivated.
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wjb said:
I wonder how some of you guys would react if you'd been stopped, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 times for no reason other than being black in a public place....
Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
Well, it's a long time ago now, but I reckon that I must have been stopped at least 30 times, probably more. I wasn't stopped for any reason other than it was in the early hours of the morning. I was stopped both on a motorbike and in a car. I regularly had to explain who I was, where I was going, where I'd been, open the boot of the car, asked for ID, etc. I was also stopped when walking to a 24 hour garage to buy a pasty and a can of Coke for lunch at three in the morning.Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
Always remained civilised, polite and calm. Never considered it to be a case of victimisation. Always considered that I would rather be stopped than have the police not bothering with anyone. How else are they supposed to do their job?
On one occasion I was told that I'd only been pulled over because the two officers in the car were bored. I had a laugh with them about it and carried on my way.
As a matter of interest how do you know that you were pulled over for being black in a public place? Did they actually tell you that, or is it an assumption on your part?
wjb said:
No, of course not, but being treated like a human being during the stop would be a start.
That is a two way street. The other video will, hopefully, clarify.So far, we only have an edited clip from one party.
Neither you nor I know what happened in the lead up to and early part of the stop.
wjb said:
jsc15 said:
Honestly, I have to ask this, why do a seemingly large proportion of a specific racial group (in UK & USA) decide to run from the police.....then are somehow more surprised that they are followed then confronted more robustly?
Why resist arrest then wonder why you are tasered?
Why resist a search then wonder why you get a longer drugs search?
Clue: It's not racism, it's because you're an idiot with zero morals, no people skills, and no respect for laws
Look at the prevalence of crime within your communities, and the significantly disproportionate likelihood of violent crime, knife possession, muggings, rapes, burglary, drug dealing....then come back to us when this is resolved and we can then talk about unfair "profiling"
Unbelievable, yet believable. Why resist arrest then wonder why you are tasered?
Why resist a search then wonder why you get a longer drugs search?
Clue: It's not racism, it's because you're an idiot with zero morals, no people skills, and no respect for laws
Look at the prevalence of crime within your communities, and the significantly disproportionate likelihood of violent crime, knife possession, muggings, rapes, burglary, drug dealing....then come back to us when this is resolved and we can then talk about unfair "profiling"
eldar said:
wjb said:
No, of course not, but being treated like a human being during the stop would be a start.
That is a two way street. The other video will, hopefully, clarify.So far, we only have an edited clip from one party.
Neither you nor I know what happened in the lead up to and early part of the stop.
jsc15 said:
wjb said:
jsc15 said:
Honestly, I have to ask this, why do a seemingly large proportion of a specific racial group (in UK & USA) decide to run from the police.....then are somehow more surprised that they are followed then confronted more robustly?
Why resist arrest then wonder why you are tasered?
Why resist a search then wonder why you get a longer drugs search?
Clue: It's not racism, it's because you're an idiot with zero morals, no people skills, and no respect for laws
Look at the prevalence of crime within your communities, and the significantly disproportionate likelihood of violent crime, knife possession, muggings, rapes, burglary, drug dealing....then come back to us when this is resolved and we can then talk about unfair "profiling"
Unbelievable, yet believable. Why resist arrest then wonder why you are tasered?
Why resist a search then wonder why you get a longer drugs search?
Clue: It's not racism, it's because you're an idiot with zero morals, no people skills, and no respect for laws
Look at the prevalence of crime within your communities, and the significantly disproportionate likelihood of violent crime, knife possession, muggings, rapes, burglary, drug dealing....then come back to us when this is resolved and we can then talk about unfair "profiling"
Mort7 said:
wjb said:
I wonder how some of you guys would react if you'd been stopped, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 times for no reason other than being black in a public place....
Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
Well, it's a long time ago now, but I reckon that I must have been stopped at least 30 times, probably more. I wasn't stopped for any reason other than it was in the early hours of the morning. I was stopped both on a motorbike and in a car. I regularly had to explain who I was, where I was going, where I'd been, open the boot of the car, asked for ID, etc. I was also stopped when walking to a 24 hour garage to buy a pasty and a can of Coke for lunch at three in the morning.Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
Always remained civilised, polite and calm. Never considered it to be a case of victimisation. Always considered that I would rather be stopped than have the police not bothering with anyone. How else are they supposed to do their job?
On one occasion I was told that I'd only been pulled over because the two officers in the car were bored. I had a laugh with them about it and carried on my way.
As a matter of interest how do you know that you were pulled over for being black in a public place? Did they actually tell you that, or is it an assumption on your part?
For example, being called the n word doesn't help.
Being told to go home (not to my house) doesn't help either.
Luckily I don't think they can do that anymore, you know with body cameras and mobile phones etc.
wjb said:
jsc15 said:
wjb said:
jsc15 said:
Honestly, I have to ask this, why do a seemingly large proportion of a specific racial group (in UK & USA) decide to run from the police.....then are somehow more surprised that they are followed then confronted more robustly?
Why resist arrest then wonder why you are tasered?
Why resist a search then wonder why you get a longer drugs search?
Clue: It's not racism, it's because you're an idiot with zero morals, no people skills, and no respect for laws
Look at the prevalence of crime within your communities, and the significantly disproportionate likelihood of violent crime, knife possession, muggings, rapes, burglary, drug dealing....then come back to us when this is resolved and we can then talk about unfair "profiling"
Unbelievable, yet believable. Why resist arrest then wonder why you are tasered?
Why resist a search then wonder why you get a longer drugs search?
Clue: It's not racism, it's because you're an idiot with zero morals, no people skills, and no respect for laws
Look at the prevalence of crime within your communities, and the significantly disproportionate likelihood of violent crime, knife possession, muggings, rapes, burglary, drug dealing....then come back to us when this is resolved and we can then talk about unfair "profiling"
Am I saying something that is incorrect, or am I saying something that is inconvenient?
If the former applies then please state what's incorrect
If the latter applies then this supports my assertions, and I thank you for your honest answer
Bigends said:
Bearing in mind hes under no obligation to get out of the car until hes been informed that hes either under arrest or being detained for a search - likewise for her in the back. I'd still be interested in what the grounds were for a weapons search were
And you see that's the problem. When I get stopped, I'm impeccably polite. If the police want to rummage in my car, I give them the keys. Actually, they never want to search my car because I'm not telling them what my rights are as soon as I talk to them. I get asked who I am, they check the insurance and home addresses match up, and I'm on my way. Even if I have been stopped for a reason (generally speeding), I haven't actually got a ticket on 20 years. If you behave like a t
t, then expect to get treated like one. When in my early 20s I travelled 3 miles across North Bristol after midnight at least twice a week from my girl friend's to my home. I was stopped by police 2-3 times every month. I was walking and I am white. Just asked where I had come from, where was I going and why. Didn't have any identification as this was before credit and debit cards & before I had a driving licence. Once during heavy rain I was given a lift home. After a few weeks some police recognised me & just beeped the horn as they passed me.
I was listening to Nick Ferarri on LBC when this young lady was telling us of her awful ordeal , I'm sure Nick asked her if an apology from plod would be enough for her just to drop it & she said no , then Nick asked about compo & i'm sure she said this was the road she was going to go down. I have listened to the LBC re run of the call from Miss Williams & they seem to have cut this bit out.Did anyone else hear this or were my ears playing tricks ?
wjb said:
Mort7 said:
wjb said:
I wonder how some of you guys would react if you'd been stopped, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 times for no reason other than being black in a public place....
Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
Well, it's a long time ago now, but I reckon that I must have been stopped at least 30 times, probably more. I wasn't stopped for any reason other than it was in the early hours of the morning. I was stopped both on a motorbike and in a car. I regularly had to explain who I was, where I was going, where I'd been, open the boot of the car, asked for ID, etc. I was also stopped when walking to a 24 hour garage to buy a pasty and a can of Coke for lunch at three in the morning.Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
Always remained civilised, polite and calm. Never considered it to be a case of victimisation. Always considered that I would rather be stopped than have the police not bothering with anyone. How else are they supposed to do their job?
On one occasion I was told that I'd only been pulled over because the two officers in the car were bored. I had a laugh with them about it and carried on my way.
As a matter of interest how do you know that you were pulled over for being black in a public place? Did they actually tell you that, or is it an assumption on your part?
For example, being called the n word doesn't help.
Being told to go home (not to my house) doesn't help either.
Luckily I don't think they can do that anymore, you know with body cameras and mobile phones etc.
L1OFF said:
It's a setup and doesn't ring true. I saw a longer video than that this one on the BBC (surprise?) , which shows views behind and at the side of the car prior to the stop. Too many police for a normal stop including a sergeant.
Edited by L1OFF on Monday 6th July 15:23
article on BBC said:
Officers were patrolling in the Maida Vale area because of an increase in youth violence
so there were more officers than usual in the area. A setup by whom? For what purpose?
Plod on PH, what is the standard procedure when someone has tried to evade a stop? My gut feel is that after they tried to drive off, they would be asked to get out of the car when they were stopped next to prevent them driving off again. If they refused or protested, I guess they then would be physically removed from the car?
The woman’s complaint is about poor treatment after the fail to stop, and being removed fro the car and restrained. Personally, if that is the procedure I don’t see any reason for complaint whether there was a kid or great great great grandmother in the back. Failing to stop or driving off when asked not to is suspicious behaviour IMHO, and it all bets are off.
Her further compliant is about the negative impact of regularly driving a Mercedes, which I fully understand having driven my wife’s, but that has nothing to do with police.
The woman’s complaint is about poor treatment after the fail to stop, and being removed fro the car and restrained. Personally, if that is the procedure I don’t see any reason for complaint whether there was a kid or great great great grandmother in the back. Failing to stop or driving off when asked not to is suspicious behaviour IMHO, and it all bets are off.
Her further compliant is about the negative impact of regularly driving a Mercedes, which I fully understand having driven my wife’s, but that has nothing to do with police.
wjb said:
I wonder how some of you guys would react if you'd been stopped, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 times for no reason other than being black in a public place....
Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
How would the police know they were black given the illegally tinted windows? Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
Pothole said:
wjb said:
Mort7 said:
wjb said:
I wonder how some of you guys would react if you'd been stopped, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 times for no reason other than being black in a public place....
Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
Well, it's a long time ago now, but I reckon that I must have been stopped at least 30 times, probably more. I wasn't stopped for any reason other than it was in the early hours of the morning. I was stopped both on a motorbike and in a car. I regularly had to explain who I was, where I was going, where I'd been, open the boot of the car, asked for ID, etc. I was also stopped when walking to a 24 hour garage to buy a pasty and a can of Coke for lunch at three in the morning.Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
Always remained civilised, polite and calm. Never considered it to be a case of victimisation. Always considered that I would rather be stopped than have the police not bothering with anyone. How else are they supposed to do their job?
On one occasion I was told that I'd only been pulled over because the two officers in the car were bored. I had a laugh with them about it and carried on my way.
As a matter of interest how do you know that you were pulled over for being black in a public place? Did they actually tell you that, or is it an assumption on your part?
For example, being called the n word doesn't help.
Being told to go home (not to my house) doesn't help either.
Luckily I don't think they can do that anymore, you know with body cameras and mobile phones etc.
Edited by Alucidnation on Monday 6th July 17:55
AJL308 said:
wjb said:
I wonder how some of you guys would react if you'd been stopped, 10, 20, 30, 40 or 50 times for no reason other than being black in a public place....
Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
How would the police know they were black given the illegally tinted windows? Would you all remain civilised, polite and calm?
Genuine question.
Bigends said:
Bearing in mind hes under no obligation to get out of the car until hes been informed that hes either under arrest or being detained for a search - likewise for her in the back. I'd still be interested in what the grounds were for a weapons search were
Officers were patrolling in the Maida Vale area because of an increase in youth violence. Who knows that intel they have about people fuelling that violence? You know, people who aren't very nice and use teenagers to carry drugs, cash and weapons for them?Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff