If masks become compulsory in shops (Vol. 2)

[paulguitar]

Not-The-Messiah said:

I wonder what all the mask fans

Do we have any 'mask fans' here? I fking hate the things but am trying to get by with a really frustrating situation.

[pip t]

Just thought I’d leave this here...

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/130129264880058...

WinstonWolf said:

I'm sufficiently deaf to know bks when I hear it. My mind works at full speed thank you, I just happen to have no bones in one ear at the minute which makes sounds very muffled.

Are you seriously going to try and tell a deaf bloke how to communicate? Seriously?

This is going to be fking priceless, keep digging

It’s worth appreciating that different things help different people. My hearing is rather sub optimal, and for me people speaking slower and clearly helps far more than being able to see their lips. I don’t mean stupidly slowly, just not babbling away.

[MYOB]

pip t said:

It’s worth appreciating that different things help different people. My hearing is rather sub optimal, and for me people speaking slower and clearly helps far more than being able to see their lips. I don’t mean stupidly slowly, just not babbling away.

For those that talk fast, yes slowing down can help as well speaking more clearly, IE, not grumbling etc.

But the fact of the matter is, there are lots of deaf people out there that simply cannot hear and rely on lip reading.

I cannot believe some are dismissive of the more severe cases of deafness.

[pip t]

MYOB said:

pip t said:

It’s worth appreciating that different things help different people. My hearing is rather sub optimal, and for me people speaking slower and clearly helps far more than being able to see their lips. I don’t mean stupidly slowly, just not babbling away.

For those that talk fast, yes slowing down can help as well speaking more clearly, IE, not grumbling etc.

But the fact of the matter is, there are lots of deaf people out there that simply cannot hear and rely on lip reading.

I cannot believe some are dismissive of the more severe cases of deafness.

My apologies, I absolutely appreciate lip reading helps a lot of people, and that masks are hugely detrimental to that. I was simply pointing out that speaking more slowly and clearly is helpful to some rather than being insulting as was being said earlier.

[MYOB]

pip t said:

My apologies, I absolutely appreciate lip reading helps a lot of people, and that masks are hugely detrimental to that. I was simply pointing out that speaking more slowly and clearly is helpful to some rather than being insulting as was being said earlier.

Sorry, I fully understand what you're saying. You're right though. It can help but for many, it's not enough on its own.

I need people to slow down if they talk fast and to speak clearly if they mumble...but I always need to lip read. I'm sick to death of this mandating of masks in the shops. There have been cases where the assistants will not remove their masks when I have requested so. They try and talk more slowly or louder but without seeing their lips, it doesn't help!

Edited by MYOB on Thursday 3rd September 01:21

[RSTurboPaul]

pip t said:

Just thought I’d leave this here...

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/130129264880058...

Well.... Whatever works for you...! lol

[RSTurboPaul]

xjay1337 said:

a friend posted a pic of his wife and 2 children* at Harry Potter world today.

What a miserable sight, everyone masked up. Couldn't even tell if they were smiling.

They'll look back at that picture with fond memories.

Edited by xjay1337 on Wednesday 2nd September 16:06

Thanks for the headsup on this - the missus has managed to swap to gift certifications valid until next year so I / we don't have to suffer the same fate!

[John Locke]

S1KRR said:

You may wish to be controlled with stupid ill thought out laws and regulations that do nothing except pay lip service to wkers who think they are "saving a life" by wearing a face covering.


The rest of us believe in critical thinking. And can see what the thin edge of a wedge looks like....

Thinking for oneself is no longer allowed.

[anonymous-user]

John Locke said:

Thinking for oneself is no longer allowed.

Groupthink!

But only after those at the top tell everyone what to think in the first place.

[biggbn]

S1KRR said:

You may wish to be controlled with stupid ill thought out laws and regulations that do nothing except pay lip service to wkers who think they are "saving a life" by wearing a face covering.


The rest of us believe in critical thinking. And can see what the thin edge of a wedge looks like....

I am a huge fan of critical thinking. And informed debate. I wear a mask when I have to, seems to make sense to me. I also wash my hands much more than I used to and observe physical distancing when I can. If I'm gonna catch anything there is little I can do about it, but I can do my best to stop myself spreading any germs that may, or may not, infect another person who may not have a particularly robust immune system. I feel I am being respectful towards my fellow humans by doing so, that so many of them feel i am a sheep following a herd bothers me not one jot.

Would I like to get back to 'normal'? Of course i would, but my normal will have been recalibrated by then to include a more thorough regime of personal health care including diet, personal hygiene etc. This pandemic has made me, and others, look more carefully at their lifestyles i reckon.

Masks or no masks, have a great day everyone, Peace, gbn

[Randy Winkman]

paulguitar said:

Not-The-Messiah said:

I wonder what all the mask fans

Do we have any 'mask fans' here? I fking hate the things but am trying to get by with a really frustrating situation.

I've asked the same question before. Not sure if there was an answer, as the thread moves too fast.

[biggbn]

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[Douglas Quaid]

frisbee said:

Younger people are more likely to asymptomatic or only suffer very minor symptoms so they are the ones that "should" be wearing masks.

Yes but asymptomatic people aren’t spreading it. So there really is no need.

[NerveAgent]

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[WinstonWolf]

pip t said:

MYOB said:

pip t said:

It’s worth appreciating that different things help different people. My hearing is rather sub optimal, and for me people speaking slower and clearly helps far more than being able to see their lips. I don’t mean stupidly slowly, just not babbling away.

For those that talk fast, yes slowing down can help as well speaking more clearly, IE, not grumbling etc.

But the fact of the matter is, there are lots of deaf people out there that simply cannot hear and rely on lip reading.

I cannot believe some are dismissive of the more severe cases of deafness.

My apologies, I absolutely appreciate lip reading helps a lot of people, and that masks are hugely detrimental to that. I was simply pointing out that speaking more slowly and clearly is helpful to some rather than being insulting as was being said earlier.

More sciency stuff on here:
https://www.hearingreview.com/hearing-loss/health-...

The Article said:

"The data show that each type of medical mask in this study essentially functioned as a low-pass acoustic filter for speech, attenuating the high frequencies (2000-7000 Hz) spoken by the wearer by 3 to 4 dB for a simple medical mask and close to 12 dB for the N95 masks. This means the speech quality degradation, in combination with room noise/reverberation and the absence of visual cues, renders speech close to unintelligible for many patients with hearing loss."

In a shop you've got the background hum of the fridges (those with normal hearing won't have even noticed the fridges), the clatter of trollies and baskets, tannoy announcements and the general hubub of the cash registers and conveyors. Throw a mask (low-pass filter) into the equation and you're pretty much screwed when it comes to communicating.

I'm fortunate that I've learned lip read to fill in the blanks (much to the dismay of my mates on the other side of the pub!) but I can't even use that at the minute

[poo at Paul's]

It is certainly true that people with hearing and or other sensory losses have faced extreme challenges by all this. We have friends with a 6 year old who is deaf and blind and has some other issues. He's a dear lad, and all his external care was removed for many weeks though this, of course the poor kid never knew why. It's been very difficult for them all, but he's got through it. Can only imagine what must have been going on at times in his head trying to work out why suddenly his routine changed.

[Alucidnation]

John Locke said:

S1KRR said:

You may wish to be controlled with stupid ill thought out laws and regulations that do nothing except pay lip service to wkers who think they are "saving a life" by wearing a face covering.


The rest of us believe in critical thinking. And can see what the thin edge of a wedge looks like....

Thinking for oneself is no longer allowed.

Unfortunately much of the general population has indeed proved that they were never capable of it in the first place.

[BigMon]

paulguitar said:

Do we have any 'mask fans' here? I fking hate the things but am trying to get by with a really frustrating situation.

Why yes, according to the groupthink on here if you're not rabidly anti-mask then you are, by extension, a pro-masker doubtless bellowing insults at the free thinkers not wearing masks.

Wibble.

[Lemming Train]

Alucidnation said:

John Locke said:

S1KRR said:

You may wish to be controlled with stupid ill thought out laws and regulations that do nothing except pay lip service to wkers who think they are "saving a life" by wearing a face covering.


The rest of us believe in critical thinking. And can see what the thin edge of a wedge looks like....

Thinking for oneself is no longer allowed.

Unfortunately much of the general population has indeed proved that they were never capable of it in the first place.

[xjay1337]

Lemming Train said:

Alucidnation said:

John Locke said:

S1KRR said:

You may wish to be controlled with stupid ill thought out laws and regulations that do nothing except pay lip service to wkers who think they are "saving a life" by wearing a face covering.


The rest of us believe in critical thinking. And can see what the thin edge of a wedge looks like....

Thinking for oneself is no longer allowed.

Unfortunately much of the general population has indeed proved that they were never capable of it in the first place.

How very true though. Clowns the lot of them.

Someone on Facebook said

"Why do I need to look at statistics when the news and Government are telling me what to do"

I st you not.