CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 5)

[ChocolateFrog]

TameRacingDriver said:

gareth_r said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Are any politicians talking sense from either of the main parties? Or are they all hamstrung by SAGE and the 'experts'.

As far as I can remember, the opposition has questioned nothing. They have rubber-stamped, or, rather, cheered on, everything that the Tories have done.

Assuming you believe anything printed in the MSM these days, maybe our chancellor is...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1340473/Coronavi...

He's the only one that is coming out of this with a shred of credibility left.

That said his name will be at the top when discussing this countries crippling debt.

How much did EOTHO cost? £650000000? What a waste of money that was with only a few weeks hindsight.

[GT03ROB]

isaldiri said:

GT03ROB said:

If you think this st show is bad, PR could not make it better. This requires strong decisive government. PR does not deliver this

You think we actually have strong decisive government now......?

No I don’t, but I am confident PR would not deliver it either

[isaldiri]

GT03ROB said:

isaldiri said:

GT03ROB said:

If you think this st show is bad, PR could not make it better. This requires strong decisive government. PR does not deliver this

You think we actually have strong decisive government now......?

No I don’t, but I am confident PR would not deliver it either

Well looking at most other european countries which do have PR, it suggests that their response is at minimum not any less haphazard and confused as here and in many cases considerably less random......

[anonymous-user]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/daily-infections-not-ris...

Daily infections not rising as fast as Vallance's 'nightmare projection'

[ChocolateFrog]

The Spruce Goose said:

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/daily-infections-not-ris...

Daily infections not rising as fast as Vallance's 'nightmare projection'

Our elected heroes have saved the day, again.

[anonymous-user]

What surprises me and is good really, is have many stories like this are coming from the Telegraph. I wonder if they like the rest of us have just got sick of all the false truths and turning there back on supporting the Gov and Tory party.

[Zoobeef]

The Spruce Goose said:

What surprises me and is good really, is have many stories like this are coming from the Telegraph. I wonder if they like the rest of us have just got sick of all the false truths and turning there back on supporting the Gov and Tory party.

Its just taken them this long to figure out that this isn't a Tory party.

[n3il123]

ChocolateFrog said:

TameRacingDriver said:

gareth_r said:

ChocolateFrog said:

Are any politicians talking sense from either of the main parties? Or are they all hamstrung by SAGE and the 'experts'.

As far as I can remember, the opposition has questioned nothing. They have rubber-stamped, or, rather, cheered on, everything that the Tories have done.

Assuming you believe anything printed in the MSM these days, maybe our chancellor is...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1340473/Coronavi...

He's the only one that is coming out of this with a shred of credibility left.

That said his name will be at the top when discussing this countries crippling debt.

How much did EOTHO cost? £650000000? What a waste of money that was with only a few weeks hindsight.

Good, I've got money on him as the next pm by end of next year.

[anonymous-user]

Zoobeef said:

Its just taken them this long to figure out that this isn't a Tory party.

What does that mean?

[Zoobeef]

The Spruce Goose said:

What does that mean?

Do normal tory parties lose all sense of reality and spend their way into oblivion?

[b0rk]

RSbandit said:

Fair play to Sunak for standing his ground if that's true, our only hope for some common sense it seems.

Sunak is young enough to still have and want a political career, post cv19.

Hancock for various reasons relating early on to masks / PPE and then the testing farce is done already. Boris as leader has a future on the back benches. The question is this election cycle or the next.

JagLover said:

Businesses will only keep people on the government scheme now that they intend to keep.

A significant part of the adjustment has already come and more will likely follow well before 1 November.

The post nov 1st adjustments will IMHO be the businesses that thought or planned for this to be over by xmas so leisure, entertainments/hospitality, retail, travel. There will I suspect be a second wave slightly later as supporting businesses and industries cut back. The second wave will be where the real economic damage occurs as structural changes happen to industry chains.

The JSS scheme only supports businesses where they have some work for the employee, so business currently shutdown due to cv-19 wouldn't likely look to claim. This alone will see large uptick in redundancies, more-so as unlike the previous scheme you can't claim for an employee that is being made redundant.

The Spruce Goose said:

What surprises me and is good really, is have many stories like this are coming from the Telegraph. I wonder if they like the rest of us have just got sick of all the false truths and turning there back on supporting the Gov and Tory party.

The mail have become surprisingly vocal in challenging the current narrative of the last few weeks, today's mail on Sunday is 70% anti-governmental policy. Everything from the curfew (front page), vaccine efficiency, economic impact and leadership. The mainstream papers try to reflect the mindshare of their readership so I can see another u-turn coming.

[ant1973]

isaldiri said:

ant1973 said:

It wasn't really intended to be a political comment but the entire policy response is political. It's lots of people jostling for position to push their own agenda. I was pointing out the irony that many on the far left see lockdown as a means of destroying capitalism but instead they have fostered the conditions that will bring about more of the same - and in a way that was avoided in the last recession. It's hard not to see the dark humour in that.

True but in the same way you could point to the massive money injection and such has resulted in the right wing paradise of grabbing even more assets from the less well off and economic meltdown would hugely benefit the very wealthy who have been by and large very insulated from the economic damage so have a vested interest in pushing the govt to continue it's current path. One could not unreasonably promote the idea that it's all due to the evil right wing interests the govt has very much been consorting with rather than evil left wing scientists being bent on introducing marxism after all.

I guess my point is that it's convenient to point to 'the other side' being to blame when it's just bloody incompetence from the govt starting from the blond buffoon all the way through cabinet rather than looking through a political lens to blame anyone else.

No one pushing an agenda is really getting what they want. I am sure that business want more qe, furlough and free stuff to support them. Instead, shock horror, they are getting a market solution because they are unlucky enough to have a public facing business in the midst of a pandemic where health restrictions have been deemed necessary.

Hubris is the undoing of all sides in this st show.

[irc]

klan8456 said:

Surely common sense and collective responsibility would mean they should stagger their leaving times rather than drinking right up until the deadline.

You mean like we did before a curfew was imposed?

[Smollet]

RSbandit said:

Fair play to Sunak for standing his ground if that's true, our only hope for some common sense it seems.

Fingers crossed and tbh he’s the only politician that hasn’t completely lost the plot and resorted to project fear at the drop of a hat when those having been in contact with the virus predictably went up with increased testing. We’ve gone from epidemic to pandemic and now we’re in a casedemic where numbers of cases grab the headlines and not deaths or hospitalisations that haven't risen in line with those supposedly infected with COVID.

[steveT350C]

Dr Heiko Schoning arrested...

Who?.... https://acu2020.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Tex...

Twitter thread of arrest.... https://twitter.com/breesanna/status/1309928706002...

[steveT350C]

steveT350C said:

Dr Heiko Schoning arrested...

Who?.... https://acu2020.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Tex...

Twitter thread of arrest.... https://twitter.com/breesanna/status/1309928706002...

He was arrested yesterday, released 45 mins ago...
https://twitter.com/breesanna/status/1310229128612...

[markyb_lcy]

Smollet said:

RSbandit said:

Fair play to Sunak for standing his ground if that's true, our only hope for some common sense it seems.

Fingers crossed and tbh he’s the only politician that hasn’t completely lost the plot and resorted to project fear at the drop of a hat when those having been in contact with the virus predictably went up with increased testing. We’ve gone from epidemic to pandemic and now we’re in a casedemic where numbers of cases grab the headlines and not deaths or hospitalisations that haven't risen in line with those supposedly infected with COVID.

Not quite true. 46 Tory backbenchers led by Graham Brady are due to table an amendment next week requiring a vote in Parliament for any future measures under the coronavirus act. If Labour and the other parties vote with the rebels then the govt could well lose.

Sunak is possibly the only minister to break ranks, though I think it is being overplayed tbh. There’s nothing overt, we have to read between the lines in order to interpret him as being against the grain.

[n3il123]

markyb_lcy said:

Not quite true. 46 Tory backbenchers led by Graham Brady are due to table an amendment next week requiring a vote in Parliament for any future measures under the coronavirus act. If Labour and the other parties vote with the rebels then the govt could well lose.

I assume this means they can't just sneak things out at 11:50the night before some thing becomes law?

[markyb_lcy]

n3il123 said:

markyb_lcy said:

Not quite true. 46 Tory backbenchers led by Graham Brady are due to table an amendment next week requiring a vote in Parliament for any future measures under the coronavirus act. If Labour and the other parties vote with the rebels then the govt could well lose.

I assume this means they can't just sneak things out at 11:50the night before some thing becomes law?

Unfortunately it might not have as much effect as one would imagine because many of the measures inherit their power from the Public Health Act rather than the coronavirus act, but this would be a good start and would give the govt a black eye (largely by their own backbenchers) for their “rule by decree” of late.

Perhaps it made some sense in the last week of March when there was a critical need to “do something” to protect the nhs and avoid the hurdles of parliament. 6 months in, it seems to me wholly inappropriate to be side-stepping parliamentary debate and scrutiny in this way.

[Jordan210]

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https://twitter.com/RP131/status/13102348642942771...