CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 17)

[spookly]

I'm not convinced the vaccines are providing any benefit whatsoever.
The Pfizer trials had more deaths in the vaccinated than unvaccinated, and while there was a difference in Covid deaths (lower in vaccinated) it was far too low to be statistically significant.
Covid is so little of a threat that they'd need to trial the vaccines on a huge group to try and get any meaningful data on hospitalisations and deaths.

Wasn't there also a lot of countries with spikes in hospitalisations and deaths that coincided with vaccine rollouts?

What are the actual numbers of deaths caused BY covid, rather than within 28 days of testing positive?
What are the actual numbers of deaths caused BY covid in otherwise healthy people?

[BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo]

vixen1700 said:

To be fair, he did reply reasonably which was a surprise.


That must be awful for her.

She was supposed to be changing job this month but the company has just cancelled new recruitment. So whereas she thought “thank God I’m getting away from it” she’s now stuck while searching for alternative employment again.

It’s really getting her down and I’m just feeling more and more anger towards those encouraging this division.

[JuanCarlosFandango]

spookly said:

I'm not convinced the vaccines are providing any benefit whatsoever.
The Pfizer trials had more deaths in the vaccinated than unvaccinated, and while there was a difference in Covid deaths (lower in vaccinated) it was far too low to be statistically significant.
Covid is so little of a threat that they'd need to trial the vaccines on a huge group to try and get any meaningful data on hospitalisations and deaths.

Wasn't there also a lot of countries with spikes in hospitalisations and deaths that coincided with vaccine rollouts?

What are the actual numbers of deaths caused BY covid, rather than within 28 days of testing positive?
What are the actual numbers of deaths caused BY covid in otherwise healthy people?

The reality is, nobody knows or even cares.

It is purely a matter of belief now.

[richardxjr]

W11PEL said:

I

Most unwashed sheeple are scared of the virus.

I still think it's more like 20% easily hypnotised fervent believers, 20% free thinkers questioning the narrative, with the majority balance going along with the crowd.

This is why I've always hated the masks. They're a badge, a cloth of compliance. Worn by the crowd. And that's why they are so important for the ongoing absurd st show.

[scottyp123]

From the end of the last thread.



86% of people demand boxing day lockdown!

[mondeoman]

scottyp123 said:

From the end of the last thread.



86% of people demand boxing day lockdown!

thats some serious spin you've put on that !!

[zax]

LazyMechanic said:

One other thing, is this actually Covid?

The reason I say that is, so far, not one person has found evidence of someone getting Covid19 and then getting it again. Sure people have tested positive using a LFT or PCR twice, but not one person who has been 100% confirmed with CV19 has ever been found to test positive again. People think they have, but not one case worldwide been found positive.

There are quite a few in that show who think they have had CV19 previously, so was it CV19 before, is this CV19 now?

This one really bothers me. After watching the Joe Rogan interview with Dr McCullough (where he also stated this) I wandered off to the internet to try and find more details. A huge mass of contradictory info later I was none the wiser. What's the story?

[Fastpedeller]

richardxjr said:

Fastpedeller said:

had 2 covid jabs (very unsure about more)

Genuine Q, is the latest incessant booster pushing (see print and online banner ads today, referenced above) more or less likely to have you get another one?

I'm getting more sceptical.
History. 'Flu' in dec2019/Jan 2020. I'm 62 and still pretty fit (used to ride 12 hour Cycle time trials c230 miles, could still do over 100 miles in 6 hours, not racing). Had suspicions flu was covid. Shingles Jan 2021. Jabbed March 2021 and May 2021. Have been taking part in ONS study - swabs each month and since May 2021 blood analysis for antibodies. Have had antibodies ever since May, but caught covid sept 4th! I only tested because my Wife had cough Sept 1st and had a +ve PCR test (LFT negative). Myself and Daughter PCR tested 1st Sept (both -ve), and when we got symptoms on 4th Sept, we both tested again (me +ve Daughter -ve). Daughter and Wife had worse symptoms than me, though neither severe. Mine lasted about 4 hours! I couldn't taste English mustard for about a week though
Since the shingles I've struggled with cycling more than 50 miles, and seem to have got worse since jabs. It's all a mystery, but unless I see overwhelming evidence to persuade me, I won't be having more jabs. Self-employed (Have my own Ltd Co - do I have to sack myself?). Daughter works in NHS, and stayed off despite the -ve test because she wasn't well enough to work, and didn't want to risk others as she clearly had something which she wouldn't want to pass on. I fear for her going forward- she believes the narrative thus far (only 23, and not bitter and twisted like myself)

[Bowser87]

richardxjr said:

Genuine Q, is the latest incessant booster pushing (see print and online banner ads today, referenced above) more or less likely to have you get another one?

Same position here. Won't be getting booster. Advertising makes it worse for me.

Received a letter yesterday with a royal mail stamp on it "Get boosted now". No thanks.

[vixen1700]

scottyp123 said:

From the end of the last thread.



86% of people demand boxing day lockdown!

True!

[Upinflames]

Bowser87 said:

richardxjr said:

Genuine Q, is the latest incessant booster pushing (see print and online banner ads today, referenced above) more or less likely to have you get another one?

Same position here. Won't be getting booster. Advertising makes it worse for me.

Received a letter yesterday with a royal mail stamp on it "Get boosted now". No thanks.

This seems to be a common theme among pretty much everyone I know.

[Elysium]

richardxjr said:

Fastpedeller said:

had 2 covid jabs (very unsure about more)

Genuine Q, is the latest incessant booster pushing (see print and online banner ads today, referenced above) more or less likely to have you get another one?

I am double vaccinated and I recently recovered from a 'breakthrough' COVID infection.

The NHS tell me I can have a booster 28 days after my symptoms started. However, I can't see any reason why I would want to do this.

I am as immune to SARS-CoV-2 as I am ever going to be.

We are told that the reinfection risk from omicron is 5 x delta. But delta was only 0.5%.

So I can reasonably expect something like 97.5% protection from omicron infection. Plus the 90% protection from serious illness and death provided by my original vaccination and subsequent recovery.

I plan to wait now to see what happens with Vaccine Passports.

I have the NHS app and my 'travel' COVID pass shows 6 months for infection derived immunity. Yet my domestic one completely ignores it.

[W11PEL]

Fastpedeller said:

I'm getting more sceptical.
History. 'Flu' in dec2019/Jan 2020. I'm 62 and still pretty fit (used to ride 12 hour Cycle time trials c230 miles, could still do over 100 miles in 6 hours, not racing). Had suspicions flu was covid. Shingles Jan 2021. Jabbed March 2021 and May 2021. Have been taking part in ONS study - swabs each month and since May 2021 blood analysis for antibodies. Have had antibodies ever since May, but caught covid sept 4th! I only tested because my Wife had cough Sept 1st and had a +ve PCR test (LFT negative). Myself and Daughter PCR tested 1st Sept (both -ve), and when we got symptoms on 4th Sept, we both tested again (me +ve Daughter -ve). Daughter and Wife had worse symptoms than me, though neither severe. Mine lasted about 4 hours! I couldn't taste English mustard for about a week though
Since the shingles I've struggled with cycling more than 50 miles, and seem to have got worse since jabs. It's all a mystery, but unless I see overwhelming evidence to persuade me, I won't be having more jabs. Self-employed (Have my own Ltd Co - do I have to sack myself?). Daughter works in NHS, and stayed off despite the -ve test because she wasn't well enough to work, and didn't want to risk others as she clearly had something which she wouldn't want to pass on. I fear for her going forward- she believes the narrative thus far (only 23, and not bitter and twisted like myself)

Stepping back it’s better to be a (deluded) “believer” in that this whole this is driven by altruistic intentions as opposed to seeing the full picture and the horror it entails.

Ignorance is bliss…

[tigamilla]

Bowser87 said:

richardxjr said:

Genuine Q, is the latest incessant booster pushing (see print and online banner ads today, referenced above) more or less likely to have you get another one?

Same position here. Won't be getting booster. Advertising makes it worse for me.

Received a letter yesterday with a royal mail stamp on it "Get boosted now". No thanks.

I'm actually glad I have Covid today (double vaxxed), as it legitimately gives me a reason to avoid the booster for a while. I'm also not at all keen on getting boosted when I know three people who have had their boosters have also got Covid as we speak.

Also, where does it end? If we all rush out to get boosters, I can see a fourth jab being pushed next winter or even next spring.

[LazyMechanic]

zax said:

LazyMechanic said:

One other thing, is this actually Covid?

The reason I say that is, so far, not one person has found evidence of someone getting Covid19 and then getting it again. Sure people have tested positive using a LFT or PCR twice, but not one person who has been 100% confirmed with CV19 has ever been found to test positive again. People think they have, but not one case worldwide been found positive.

There are quite a few in that show who think they have had CV19 previously, so was it CV19 before, is this CV19 now?

This one really bothers me. After watching the Joe Rogan interview with Dr McCullough (where he also stated this) I wandered off to the internet to try and find more details. A huge mass of contradictory info later I was none the wiser. What's the story?

Well, the LFT and PCR can pick up vial load, unless the PCR is sent off for further analysis it could be covid, flu or a heavy cold, or remenents of previous infection, less than 1% of tests are sent away to find out what it really is the person has.

To be fair it doesn't really matter, there was a very bad flu in Australia in mid 2019, it hit the respiratory system hard, and many who have died of covid could well have had this flu, just a harmful as covid, so doesn't really matter either way.

But it is about narrative, and narrative says CV19 is lethal, far more dangerous than flu, but is it? And why does it matter?

It matters because of mindset. If we had said we are going to have a bad flu year, it is a new strain of flu that hits the respiratory system hard, would people have paid much attention, would people have closed their businesses, would we have allowed them to control us like this, would people be scared?

I don't know? No one knows, but I think most would have looked at it very differently.


What we do know, is many who have been told they have Covid and had samples sent away, when they have been reinfected and their positive sample is sent away to be analysed properly they have not got Covid. So far, not one sample, worldwide, has come back positive from someone who has already been 100% confirmed as having Covid previously.


People think they have had it twice, but that is due to thinking everything is Covid now and using poor tests.

Edited by LazyMechanic on Monday 20th December 12:29

[richardxjr]

Fastpedeller said:

richardxjr said:

Fastpedeller said:

had 2 covid jabs (very unsure about more)

Genuine Q, is the latest incessant booster pushing (see print and online banner ads today, referenced above) more or less likely to have you get another one?

I'm getting more sceptical.
History. 'Flu' in dec2019/Jan 2020. I'm 62 and still pretty fit (used to ride 12 hour Cycle time trials c230 miles, could still do over 100 miles in 6 hours, not racing). Had suspicions flu was covid. Shingles Jan 2021. Jabbed March 2021 and May 2021. Have been taking part in ONS study - swabs each month and since May 2021 blood analysis for antibodies. Have had antibodies ever since May, but caught covid sept 4th! I only tested because my Wife had cough Sept 1st and had a +ve PCR test (LFT negative). Myself and Daughter PCR tested 1st Sept (both -ve), and when we got symptoms on 4th Sept, we both tested again (me +ve Daughter -ve). Daughter and Wife had worse symptoms than me, though neither severe. Mine lasted about 4 hours! I couldn't taste English mustard for about a week though
Since the shingles I've struggled with cycling more than 50 miles, and seem to have got worse since jabs. It's all a mystery, but unless I see overwhelming evidence to persuade me, I won't be having more jabs. Self-employed (Have my own Ltd Co - do I have to sack myself?). Daughter works in NHS, and stayed off despite the -ve test because she wasn't well enough to work, and didn't want to risk others as she clearly had something which she wouldn't want to pass on. I fear for her going forward- she believes the narrative thus far (only 23, and not bitter and twisted like myself)

Thanks. (ETA and thanks to the others who replied) That's interesting to hear, especially from one who sounds like you've gone along with everything as requested up til now.

My in laws are also in the ONS study. MIL caught the 'rona in Glasgow during the COP26 thing, tested +ve on mild symptoms. FIL (age 78) only found out he was also +ve after submitting one of the regular ONS study tests. They phoned him up to tell him that and to isolate. No symptoms.

[blade runner]

I must be living in an alternative universe today, as I'm listenting to the Radio 2 phone-in at work and the majority of the callers and comments are anti-lockdown, how no-one really trusts the models any more etc. Maybe the tide is actually starting to finally turn (or maybe I'll wake up and it will be back to the normal zero-covid loons getting all the air-time when Jeremy Vine comes back after Xmas).

[Bowser87]

tigamilla said:

I'm actually glad I have Covid today (double vaxxed), as it legitimately gives me a reason to avoid the booster for a while. I'm also not at all keen on getting boosted when I know three people who have had their boosters have also got Covid as we speak.

Also, where does it end? If we all rush out to get boosters, I can see a fourth jab being pushed next winter or even next spring.

Every 6 months from here!

What worries me is, for the businesses like Pfizer who've essentially had all their research paid for, developed a vaccine they don't even have to sell and doubled their profit year on year. Where do they go from here in the interest of improving year on year. It's beyond in their interest for this to continue. Where do they take this next?

Government playing into their hands at the moment with policy requiring covid passports as well which appears to be intensifying with each passing wave.

[LeighW]

Elysium said:

I am double vaccinated and I recently recovered from a 'breakthrough' COVID infection.

The NHS tell me I can have a booster 28 days after my symptoms started. However, I can't see any reason why I would want to do this.

I am as immune to SARS-CoV-2 as I am ever going to be.

We are told that the reinfection risk from omicron is 5 x delta. But delta was only 0.5%.

I had a text on Friday from my double jabbed mate who gave me Covid in July. He'd told me the other week that he was in two minds about having the booster, and wondered what I thought. I told him that he knew my views on it, and that I didn't think he needed it, but it was his choice (as it should be). Anyway, the text on Friday was to say that he wasn't coming to the pub for a pint, because he'd been ill at home all week after having his booster.

[BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo]

blade runner said:

I must be living in an alternative universe today, as I'm listenting to the Radio 2 phone-in at work and the majority of the callers and comments are anti-lockdown, how no-one really trusts the models any more etc. Maybe the tide is actually starting to finally turn (or maybe I'll wake up and it will be back to the normal zero-covid loons getting all the air-time when Jeremy Vine comes back after Xmas).

Oh wow

I have noticed more questioning of the narrative. Suggestion that the NHS will fail due to mandates, more anger regarding the Boris parties etc however I’m not sure if they’re tying to stir up anti-conservative sentiment rather than questioning of the Covid campaign?