George Galloway back in Parliment
Discussion
President Merkin said:
Wombat3 said:
Galloway is indeed a 
and he's responsible for his own views.
What's more concerning is that plenty of others appear to share some of them because they voted for him in numbers. Right minded & tolerant people do not vote for a divisive like that under any circumstances.
Suggestion that this would only be confined to Rochdale would be somewhat naive. Such a marvelously integrated multicultural society we have these days.
What was that about division? and he's responsible for his own views.What's more concerning is that plenty of others appear to share some of them because they voted for him in numbers. Right minded & tolerant people do not vote for a divisive
like that under any circumstances. Suggestion that this would only be confined to Rochdale would be somewhat naive. Such a marvelously integrated multicultural society we have these days.
2nd place went to a local guy campaigning on local issues. If you can't hold in your own prejudices, at least pay lip service to reality.
It seems you can't even make an observation round here any more without the "righteous" making unsubstantiated allegations and insuations.
President Merkin said:
Wombat3 said:
Galloway is indeed a and he's responsible for his own views.
What's more concerning is that plenty of others appear to share some of them because they voted for him in numbers. Right minded & tolerant people do not vote for a divisive like that under any circumstances.
Suggestion that this would only be confined to Rochdale would be somewhat naive. Such a marvelously integrated multicultural society we have these days.
What was that about division? and he's responsible for his own views.What's more concerning is that plenty of others appear to share some of them because they voted for him in numbers. Right minded & tolerant people do not vote for a divisive
like that under any circumstances. Suggestion that this would only be confined to Rochdale would be somewhat naive. Such a marvelously integrated multicultural society we have these days.
2nd place went to a local guy campaigning on local issues. If you can't hold in your own prejudices, at least pay lip service to reality. Worth remembering too the Mail obtained Azhar Ali's recording & calculatedly held onto it until it was too late for Labour to remove & replace him. They would have romped home otherwise. If you don't like the result, remember who facilitated it.
You can blame the media as much as you want, but I think you're only fooling yourself. Galloway won in Rochdale because of his anti Israeli, pro Palestinian stance.
Edited by andymadmak on Friday 1st March 10:06
andymadmak said:
How can you be so sure that Azhar Ali would have "romped home"? Going by Galloways result, Ali's anti Israeli/Jewish stance should have secured him victory even after he lost the official candidate status. I believe that what cost Labour and Ali their share is that, despite Alis unacceptable comments they still appeared weak on Palestine to many Muslim voters in the constituency, whereas Galloway was unequivocal on the subject.
You can blame the media as much as you want, but I think you're only fooling yourself. Galloway won in Rochdale because of his anti Israeli, pro Palestinian stance.
Because the Tories have imploded, the seat has been Labour in the past three elections & the polling was clear. Then the Mail got involved. It's not difficult to work out.You can blame the media as much as you want, but I think you're only fooling yourself. Galloway won in Rochdale because of his anti Israeli, pro Palestinian stance.
Edited by andymadmak on Friday 1st March 10:06
Guardian News said:
But Galloway’s ability to galvanise voters aghast at the death toll in Gaza, particularly the roughly 30% of the town who are Muslim, via what was effectively a single-issue campaign with literature in the colours of the Palestinian flag, demonstrated the strength of feeling.
I didn't realise only 30% of Rochdale was muslim. Never been there, but assumed the percentages were higher. So Galloway got 40% of the total vote - couldn't have just been the muslim voter population could it?A total of 11 candidates stood in the by-election.
Voter turnout was 39.7%, compared to 60.1% in the 2019 general election.
The results in full:
Azhar Ali, Labour Party - 2,402
Mark Coleman, Independent - 455
Simon Danczuk, Reform UK - 1,968
Iain Donaldson, Liberal Democrats - 2,164
Paul Ellison, Conservative Party - 3,731
George Galloway, Workers Party of Britain - 12,335
Michael Howarth, Independent - 246
William Howarth, Independent - 523
Guy Otten, Green Party - 436
Ravin Subortna, The Official Monster Raving Loony Party - 209
David Tully, Independent - 6,638
andymadmak said:
Galloway won in Rochdale because of his anti Israeli, pro Palestinian stance.
He won because a community all turned out for him and voted. For everyone else here there was no credible, worthy candidate. I looked at the odds the bookies were running (that were totally wrong) and tactically voted for Ali on a purely “keep Galloway out” basis - as it turned out a worthless gesture as it looks like Labour voters didn’t even bother.
In a way I guess it’s a good thing - Ali lost his backing due to his anti-Semitic views. At least that ensures the next candidate might be someone more acceptable to the electorate at large.
s1962a said:
I didn't realise only 30% of Rochdale was muslim. Never been there, but assumed the percentages were higher. So Galloway got 40% of the total vote - couldn't have just been the muslim voter population could it?
Voter turnout was pretty low. Quite easy for tte muslim vote to swing it every time if they all turn out. It’s utterly embarrassing tbh - the towns name dragged through the dirt again. Same old story.
President Merkin said:
Because the Tories have imploded, the seat has been Labour in the past three elections & the polling was clear. Then the Mail got involved. It's not difficult to work out.
I think you're applying some flawed logic there. The Tories are an irrelevance in this constituency, and have been for some time. It SHOULD have been a Labour win. Are you suggesting that the ex Labour man lost because the Mail exposed his anti Israeli/pro Palestine stance? That makes no sense given that the man they have elected is even more anti Israel/pro Palestine than Ali! The uncomfortable fact is that Palestine was the issue, and Labours perceived weakness on the matter cost them when faced with a man with a clear message.
If anything the debacle in Parliament over the Labour Gaza amendment cost the ex Labour man even more. Sort of makes the claims that Starmer was worried about "right wing extremists' even more nonsensical doesn't it? It was all about Rochdale and the knowledge of what was about to happen.
I think had Ali been elected he would have been back in the Labour fold after the next election. All forgiven etc.
This is a mess made in Labour and by the voters of Rochdale, not the Daily Mail imho
Dog Star said:
Voter turnout was pretty low. Quite easy for tte muslim vote to swing it every time if they all turn out.
It’s utterly embarrassing tbh - the towns name dragged through the dirt again. Same old story.
Do you think it would be different in the general election later this year? What do the Tories/Labour need to do to get one of their candidates to win over Galloway?It’s utterly embarrassing tbh - the towns name dragged through the dirt again. Same old story.
s1962a said:
Sky News said:
In a rousing victory speech, he denounced Labour and the Conservatives as "two cheeks of the same backside" and claimed he had put Sir Keir Starmer on notice.
Can't really argue with that.We should be thankful for identikit democratic liberal politicians. We'll miss them when they're gone.
s1962a said:
Do you think it would be different in the general election later this year? What do the Tories/Labour need to do to get one of their candidates to win over Galloway?
Labour was nailed on to win before it all went pear shaped.If they field a decent local candidate and Galloway continues to ignore a sizable percentage of the local electorate and focuses on Gaza rather than local concerns then it should return to Labour.
Galloway now claiming he has a text on his phone from Tice asking him to be ReformUK candidate in a byelection..
50 seconds into this - https://twitter.com/i/status/1763473576701673841
50 seconds into this - https://twitter.com/i/status/1763473576701673841
s1962a said:
Dog Star said:
Voter turnout was pretty low. Quite easy for tte muslim vote to swing it every time if they all turn out.
It’s utterly embarrassing tbh - the towns name dragged through the dirt again. Same old story.
Do you think it would be different in the general election later this year? What do the Tories/Labour need to do to get one of their candidates to win over Galloway?It’s utterly embarrassing tbh - the towns name dragged through the dirt again. Same old story.
Conservatives don’t stand a chance - I’ve never wasted my vote on them, always gone for lib-dem in GEs. I think the last time a con won was 1953.
andymadmak said:
I think you're applying some flawed logic there. The Tories are an irrelevance in this constituency, and have been for some time. It SHOULD have been a Labour win. Are you suggesting that the ex Labour man lost because the Mail exposed his anti Israeli/pro Palestine stance? That makes no sense given that the man they have elected is even more anti Israel/pro Palestine than Ali!
The uncomfortable fact is that Palestine was the issue, and Labours perceived weakness on the matter cost them when faced with a man with a clear message.
If anything the debacle in Parliament over the Labour Gaza amendment cost the ex Labour man even more. Sort of makes the claims that Starmer was worried about "right wing extremists' even more nonsensical doesn't it? It was all about Rochdale and the knowledge of what was about to happen.
I think had Ali been elected he would have been back in the Labour fold after the next election. All forgiven etc.
This is a mess made in Labour and by the voters of Rochdale, not the Daily Mail imho
If flawed logic is your thing, then ignoring Labour's campaign implosion, precipitated by the Mail, the resulting confusion & vacuum allowing Galloway in is a ten foot high neon sign. The last para is pure right wing crystal ball schtick. Might as well have said I hope they let Ali back in so I can merrily dunk on Labour. The uncomfortable fact is that Palestine was the issue, and Labours perceived weakness on the matter cost them when faced with a man with a clear message.
If anything the debacle in Parliament over the Labour Gaza amendment cost the ex Labour man even more. Sort of makes the claims that Starmer was worried about "right wing extremists' even more nonsensical doesn't it? It was all about Rochdale and the knowledge of what was about to happen.
I think had Ali been elected he would have been back in the Labour fold after the next election. All forgiven etc.
This is a mess made in Labour and by the voters of Rochdale, not the Daily Mail imho
I've observed from time to time on here the right are currently determined to live in an alternate universe, this is a fantastically illustrative example of it.
Baroque attacks said:
MrJuice said:
shed driver said:
AhYou didn't recall correctly. He said Israeli free zone.
Thanks though
MC Bodge said:
ukwill said:
The majority of Rotherham coulnd't be bothered to turn out, so I think it's a good thing they get the Galloway/Williamson clown show.
To be fair, they shouldn't have been entitled to a vote and would have needed to travel...Despicable, opportunist tt - but I would have voted for him.
I'm sick of the Labour/Tory uniparty, so sick that I'd vote for anyone to try to break the status quo and reset the system. I know it would be painful, but from the ashes hopefully something better would grow.
I'm right of centre, capitalist, pro business, pro migration, pro respect but I am absoutely sick to death of the current system of career politicians.
Burn it down.
t - but I would have voted for him.I'm sick of the Labour/Tory uniparty, so sick that I'd vote for anyone to try to break the status quo and reset the system. I know it would be painful, but from the ashes hopefully something better would grow.
I'm right of centre, capitalist, pro business, pro migration, pro respect but I am absoutely sick to death of the current system of career politicians.
Burn it down.
s1962a said:
Dog Star said:
Voter turnout was pretty low. Quite easy for tte muslim vote to swing it every time if they all turn out.
It’s utterly embarrassing tbh - the towns name dragged through the dirt again. Same old story.
Do you think it would be different in the general election later this year? What do the Tories/Labour need to do to get one of their candidates to win over Galloway?It’s utterly embarrassing tbh - the towns name dragged through the dirt again. Same old story.
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