Unemployment benefits removed after 12 months

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119 said:

Seems like this isn’t going to go away.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0ry09d50wo


And I will go against the grain here, and say on the face of it, I am not sure why Mr Harris can't at least try a couple of different roles, even from home.

If that's the best case study the BBC could come up with then I'm onboard with taking away payments for mental health issues unless it's payment for counselling sessions.

A family member recently took in a dog as the previous owner (a neighbour) was working two jobs to make ends meet 80+ hours a week and thus sadly didn't have enough time to look after the dog anymore.

I'd think they would be far more deserving of free money than the man featured in the article.

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bhstewie said:

I think and I'm happy to be corrected that it's the lack of a middle ground in terms of support from whatever Government and NHS type agencies this stuff falls under that's the issue isn't it?

i.e. the options seem to be "here is your PIP" or "go get a job" when ideally there would be a third option that would help promptly with any ongoing mental health care requirements he may have along the path to being reintroduced back into the workplace.

And even then I'm sure there will be some people for whom work simply isn't possible and no amount of proper care or being told to "man up" will make it possible.

I know it's not the same thing but there were schemes like Remploy (I think that's the spelling) and more recently this one.

Help for disabled people in England and Wales to get jobs is axed amid benefits crackdown

This lot just plain don't give a fk though it's all about punching down.

There's a lot to that. But you forgot the bit about and election coming.

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Sticks. said:

bhstewie said:

I think and I'm happy to be corrected that it's the lack of a middle ground in terms of support from whatever Government and NHS type agencies this stuff falls under that's the issue isn't it?

i.e. the options seem to be "here is your PIP" or "go get a job" when ideally there would be a third option that would help promptly with any ongoing mental health care requirements he may have along the path to being reintroduced back into the workplace.

And even then I'm sure there will be some people for whom work simply isn't possible and no amount of proper care or being told to "man up" will make it possible.

I know it's not the same thing but there were schemes like Remploy (I think that's the spelling) and more recently this one.

Help for disabled people in England and Wales to get jobs is axed amid benefits crackdown

This lot just plain don't give a fk though it's all about punching down.

There's a lot to that. But you forgot the bit about and election coming.

Also the bit where the headline probably isn't exactly what was said.

Maybe Rishi does just want to axe everything. He's a grade A throbber so it could be true.

But equally I think it's folly to go down a path where the removal or changes to the assessment of a benefit becomes a taboo. We're too far down there already.

The system (taxes in versus payments out) already cannot cope. If we want more payments out, there's only really one solution. And everyone wants everyone else to cover that.

Have we always been a nation of people with immense anxiety/mental health issues and the lack of social media just hid it away?

[W124]

Remember the old days when Mrs T would ping you your dole no questions asked, as long as you set up a company and made it work?

Enterprise allowance scheme.

Can’t we have a bit of rational, hopeful, encouraging policy like that?

No we can’t. Because this policy is about votes. It’s not about sanity, rationality, entrepreneurship, encouragement. It’s visceral red meat. For idiots. It will never happen to any useful degree. It’s like Rwanda. It’s for morons. Idiots. Fools.

[Mr Penguin]

bhstewie said:

I think and I'm happy to be corrected that it's the lack of a middle ground in terms of support from whatever Government and NHS type agencies this stuff falls under that's the issue isn't it?

i.e. the options seem to be "here is your PIP" or "go get a job" when ideally there would be a third option that would help promptly with any ongoing mental health care requirements he may have along the path to being reintroduced back into the workplace.

And even then I'm sure there will be some people for whom work simply isn't possible and no amount of proper care or being told to "man up" will make it possible.

I know it's not the same thing but there were schemes like Remploy (I think that's the spelling) and more recently this one.

Help for disabled people in England and Wales to get jobs is axed amid benefits crackdown

This lot just plain don't give a fk though it's all about punching down.

I think they are spooked by the rapidly increasing bill for disability benefits.
https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/tax-by-tax-spend...

Disability benefits spending is forecast to be £39.1 billion in Great Britain in 2023-24. We forecast spending to increase to £58.1 billion in 2028-29. That would represent around 4 per cent of total public spending, and 2 per cent of GDP.

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Mr Penguin said:

I think they are spooked by the rapidly increasing bill for disability benefits.
https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/tax-by-tax-spend...

Disability benefits spending is forecast to be £39.1 billion in Great Britain in 2023-24. We forecast spending to increase to £58.1 billion in 2028-29. That would represent around 4 per cent of total public spending, and 2 per cent of GDP.

Think it is something like a million more people on incapacity benefit, or coming up to it, and more of them are younger.

This is forecast to rise by a further 1.2 million by 2028-29.

[Donbot]

z4RRSchris said:

sorry i meant broken foot leading to long term (forever) implications.

I cant walk without pain.

claiming for PIP was the easiest path to getting a blue badge, i don't need the £40 a week or whatever it is.

I'm sorry to hear that. People with long term disability need to be treated/given assistance whether physical or psychological. The leading cause of death in men under 50 is suicide. I know two people that I went to school with who killed themselves in their 20's.

I'm sure it is frustrating to get mental health questions with a physical disability, but it is about time we take these things seriously.

Edited by Donbot on Monday 29th April 16:38

[hairykrishna]

W124 said:

Remember the old days when Mrs T would ping you your dole no questions asked, as long as you set up a company and made it work?

Enterprise allowance scheme.

Can’t we have a bit of rational, hopeful, encouraging policy like that?

No we can’t. Because this policy is about votes. It’s not about sanity, rationality, entrepreneurship, encouragement. It’s visceral red meat. For idiots. It will never happen to any useful degree. It’s like Rwanda. It’s for morons. Idiots. Fools.

They do seem to have given up on votes from normal people and are going all in on the "Angry and a bit simple" demographic.

[bitchstewie]

hairykrishna said:

They do seem to have given up on votes from normal people and are going all in on the "Angry and a bit simple" demographic.

It's just todays Two Minutes Hate from the Conservative Party.

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119 said:

Seems like this isn’t going to go away.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn0ry09d50wo


And I will go against the grain here, and say on the face of it, I am not sure why Mr Harris can't at least try a couple of different roles, even from home.

BBC said:

The number of people claiming PIP in relation to anxiety and depression has soared in recent years, leading Prime Minister Rishi Sunak to say on Monday: "We need to do something about that."

Oh, he's going to improve the provision of NHS mental health services from their currently abysmal state, is he? No?

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hairykrishna said:

W124 said:

Remember the old days when Mrs T would ping you your dole no questions asked, as long as you set up a company and made it work?

Enterprise allowance scheme.

Can’t we have a bit of rational, hopeful, encouraging policy like that?

No we can’t. Because this policy is about votes. It’s not about sanity, rationality, entrepreneurship, encouragement. It’s visceral red meat. For idiots. It will never happen to any useful degree. It’s like Rwanda. It’s for morons. Idiots. Fools.

They do seem to have given up on votes from normal people and are going all in on the "Angry and a bit simple" demographic.

It's very illustrative that the Thatcher-era EAS scheme would be received as 'basically communism' if it was proposed today.

A grant of nearly £700/month (1980s amount adjusted for inflation) to cover basic costs while you start a business? Dependent on having £4000 in savings (also adjusted) and submitted a business plan? And you got government help in drawing up that plan and ongoing advise and administrative support as your business developed? And the scheme was trusted enough by banks that they'd loan you the required savings as a starting point?

Socialist lunacy! Gambling with other people's money! Removing individual risk! Just an excuse to employ an army of non-job advisors! A utopian idea that would be rinsed by scammers!

We know that would be the response because that was how Labour's very similar proposal in 2017 was received.

Of course, the Thatcher governments were actually quite generous with welfare and the dole. If only out of pragmatism to stop the ex-industrial provinces descending into civil war but also out of political ambition (keep the unemployed on enough provision from the central state enough to neuter the unions) and economic ambition (you've got to keep capital and spending power up if you genuinely want to regenerate areas after you've stripped out all the old industry).

[W124]

We really have lost it. We really have.

[Sticks.]

I don't remember it being £700 a month, but £40pw and you had to invest £1k. Iirc there was rates-free zones too.

[hairykrishna]

Sticks. said:

I don't remember it being £700 a month, but £40pw and you had to invest £1k. Iirc there was rates-free zones too.

160 quid a month in 1981 is equivalent to £600 a month now.

[Sticks.]

hairykrishna said:

Sticks. said:

I don't remember it being £700 a month, but £40pw and you had to invest £1k. Iirc there was rates-free zones too.

160 quid a month in 1981 is equivalent to £600 a month now.

Ah, Ok