"Earth Hour" 8:30-9:30 tonight. So turn everything on.

[turbobloke]

Blib said:

Blimey,I'm sure that we had an Earth Hour last year? Didn't it do any good then?

Nope, although if you take 'failed' as good, then yes.

[turbobloke]

Jasandjules said:

Blib said:

Blimey,I'm sure that we had an Earth Hour last year? Didn't it do any good then?

Yes it did. It stopped the planet heating up for the previous 10 years.....

[Wheelrepairit]

Ive turned just about everything on in the house.

All except the wife that is, take a miracle that

[Jasandjules]

Wheelrepairit said:

All except the wife that is, take a miracle that

It's shutting them up that I find impossible...

[marvelharvey]

I think you all unwittingly participated in Human Achievement Hour...

http://cei.org/human-achievement-hour

CEI said:

The Competitive Enterprise Institute plans to recognize “Human Achievement Hour” between 8:30pm and 9:30pm on March 28, 2009 to coincide with Earth Hour, a period of time during which governments, individuals, and corporations have agreed to dim or shut off lights in an effort to draw attention to climate change. Anyone not foregoing the use of electricity in that hour is, by default, celebrating the achievements of human beings.

We salute the people who keep the lights on and produce the energy that helps make human achievement possible.

Green and private conservation are fine. We have no problem with an individual (or group) that wants to sit naked in the dark without heat, clothing, or light. Additionally, we would have no problem with the group holding a pro-green technology rally. That is their choice. But when this group stages a “global election” with the express purpose of influencing “government policies to take action against global warming,” we have every right as individuals to express our vote for the opposite

If Human Achievement Hour is at all a dig against Earth Hour, it is so only by the fact that we are pointing out what Earth Hour truly is about: it isn’t pro-earth, it is anti-man and anti-innovation. So, on March 28th, CEI plans to continue “voting” for humanity by enjoying the fruits of man’s mind.

[andy400]

marvelharvey said:

I think you all unwittingly participated in Human Achievement Hour...

http://cei.org/human-achievement-hour

CEI said:

The Competitive Enterprise Institute plans to recognize “Human Achievement Hour” between 8:30pm and 9:30pm on March 28, 2009 to coincide with Earth Hour, a period of time during which governments, individuals, and corporations have agreed to dim or shut off lights in an effort to draw attention to climate change. Anyone not foregoing the use of electricity in that hour is, by default, celebrating the achievements of human beings.

We salute the people who keep the lights on and produce the energy that helps make human achievement possible.

Green and private conservation are fine. We have no problem with an individual (or group) that wants to sit naked in the dark without heat, clothing, or light. Additionally, we would have no problem with the group holding a pro-green technology rally. That is their choice. But when this group stages a “global election” with the express purpose of influencing “government policies to take action against global warming,” we have every right as individuals to express our vote for the opposite

If Human Achievement Hour is at all a dig against Earth Hour, it is so only by the fact that we are pointing out what Earth Hour truly is about: it isn’t pro-earth, it is anti-man and anti-innovation. So, on March 28th, CEI plans to continue “voting” for humanity by enjoying the fruits of man’s mind.

Hell yes! I was certainly celebrating human achievement. I had so many lights and monitors switched on, I'm suprised it hasn't improved my tan....

[peterperkins]

TVR Moneypit said:

Can I start to turn stuff off yet? It's costing me a bloomin fortune.

I'm afraid only idiots turn all their stuff on.

Wasting energy is just ludicrous, when the lights go out for real because we failed to secure our supplies, invest in suitable future generation or heaven forbid actually save energy, what then?

Waste not, want not. Remember that one?

Forget global warming please, but until unlimited fusion power comes online lets save our resources.

[alphadog]

peterperkins said:

TVR Moneypit said:

Can I start to turn stuff off yet? It's costing me a bloomin fortune.

I'm afraid only idiots turn all their stuff on.

Wasting energy is just ludicrous, when the lights go out for real because we failed to secure our supplies, invest in suitable future generation or heaven forbid actually save energy, what then?

Waste not, want not. Remember that one?

Forget global warming please, but until unlimited fusion power comes online lets save our resources.

I tend to agree with some of that point, Peter, so perhaps next time all PHers should save any jobs like arc welding until 'Earth Hour'. Would look impressive and really wind up those greenies!

Edited by alphadog on Sunday 29th March 07:33

[turbobloke]

peterperkins said:

TVR Moneypit said:

Can I start to turn stuff off yet? It's costing me a bloomin fortune.

I'm afraid only idiots turn all their stuff on.

Wasting energy is just ludicrous, when the lights go out for real because we failed to secure our supplies, invest in suitable future generation or heaven forbid actually save energy, what then?

Waste not, want not. Remember that one?

Forget global warming please, but until unlimited fusion power comes online lets save our resources.

I trust you're collecting your intestinal gas in a jar, methane is a useful resource.

As per a reply in the first thread on this subject:

Earlier I replied to Clambake and said:

Clambake said:

Turning on all your lights is probably marginally more stupid than turning them all off.

There's not a lot in it though.

It's no contest.

1. Tonight will be cold and dark. To obviate these adverse conditions, turn up heat and light.

2. Various ecotwunts will be switching their lights off for no good reason, so keeping lights on will not only improve ambient conditions but (hopefully) seriously p1ss off the deluded, the gullible and the culpable who seek the opposite.

3. The great unwashed, living in squats, probably have no electricity, and if they do it'll be metered and benefits don't stretch to searchlight illumination, the rest of us having managed our lives, careers and finances better can afford a couple of quid to keep warm, well lit, and to make a point.

So, no contest. Idiot = switch lights off. Genius = switch lights on.

To say that a relatively small number of individuals in one country acting over one hour is going to make a difference to resources simply reveals that certain people have forgotten about the concept of orders of magnitude, and/or have swallowed the horse manure about each person allowing thesmelves to submit to ecofascism "because it'll make a difference" when it won't.

If the lights go out it will be because of the country's politicians and their cavalier attitude to energy security, and their willingness to jump on the nonsensical unscientific global warming fraud bandwagon for ideological reasons, building vanity white elephants in wind farms rather than doing what's necessary. Not somebody on PH switching their kettle on.

[ShadownINja]

I was chatting to someone who studied environmental studies at university...













... he said that it's a load of bks because we're just putting off the inevitable.

[turbobloke]

The inevitable is that man-made global warming lies will be exposed and seen for that they are, with a massive dose of acute embarrassment and job losses to go for those gullible and culpable who swallowed the information pollution and then tried to ram it down everybody else's throats.

The sad thing is it will have set back the uneducated but sane public's confidence in science - slimy politicians having exploited some qualified useful idiots may well pass the buck that way to make matters worse - when in fact there's nothing scientific about ecofascism based on fraud.

[thinfourth2]

turbobloke said:

The inevitable is that man-made global warming lies will be exposed and seen for that they are, with a massive dose of acute embarrassment and job losses to go for those gullible and culpable who swallowed the information pollution and then tried to ram it down everybody else's throats.

The sad thing is it will have set back the uneducated but sane public's confidence in science - slimy politicians having exploited some qualified useful idiots may well pass the buck that way to make matters worse - when in fact there's nothing scientific about ecofascism based on fraud.

The real tragedy of global warming is the backlash will be against all environmental concerns some of which are very real

I think that many of you that live in city see the environment as something that is on telly, where as the country bumpkins like myself who has deer wandering past the window in the morning sees that some environmental issues are very real

[turbobloke]

thinfourth2 said:

turbobloke said:

The inevitable is that man-made global warming lies will be exposed and seen for that they are, with a massive dose of acute embarrassment and job losses to go for those gullible and culpable who swallowed the information pollution and then tried to ram it down everybody else's throats.

The sad thing is it will have set back the uneducated but sane public's confidence in science - slimy politicians having exploited some qualified useful idiots may well pass the buck that way to make matters worse - when in fact there's nothing scientific about ecofascism based on fraud.

The real tragedy of global warming is the backlash will be against all environmental concerns some of which are very real

I think that many of you that live in city see the environment as something that is on telly, where as the country bumpkins like myself who has deer wandering past the window in the morning sees that some environmental issues are very real

Yes and I trust you'll forgive me for the reminder that I've been saying the same thing throughout.

[rovsd1]

Hi All,

I think this makes interesting reading.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/driving/features/...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnist...

[Jasandjules]

So, does anyone have data on whether or not consumption went up or down compared to the average last night?

[speedchick]

peterperkins said:

TVR Moneypit said:

Can I start to turn stuff off yet? It's costing me a bloomin fortune.

I'm afraid only idiots turn all their stuff on.

Wasting energy is just ludicrous, when the lights go out for real because we failed to secure our supplies, invest in suitable future generation or heaven forbid actually save energy, what then?

Waste not, want not. Remember that one?

Forget global warming please, but until unlimited fusion power comes online lets save our resources.

Well i didn't turn stuff on for the sake of it, I was working till 9pm, so had to have the computer/router/modem on, and I was still trying to get my way through the mountain of washing that seemed to have taken over the kitchen, and I needed the light on so that I could see what I was doing. But hey, if that makes me an idiot.....

[turbobloke]

"The results will be presented at the 2009 Global Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen."

http://www.earthhourus.org/

Presented probably equals fudged...but we should get more local news shortly.



The National Grid web pages give data on the last 7 days here:

http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/Electricity/Data/Re...

This would allow a comparison over the last week (obviously!) but it's been either unavailable or won't fully upload on various attempts to access it earlier. Worth trying a few more times.

[turbobloke]

speedchick said:

But hey, if that makes me an idiot.....

It doesn't, quite clearly it doesn't.

It marks you out as somebody prepared to ignore baseless propaganda, which is a sign of intelligence, strength of character, and good judgement.

[ShadownINja]

turbobloke said:

"The results will be presented at the 2009 Global Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen."

http://www.earthhourus.org/

Presented probably equals fudged...but we should get more local news shortly.

But so what if it went down. That's fking obvious. If the glaciers started freezing and the ice caps starting reforming, then that would make things worthwhile to them, otherwise they can fk off with their idiotic approach to saving the world.

It is as clever as saying, "Man at 53 Carlisle Street turned lights off for one hour. It was dark at 53 Carlisle Street for the one hour."

Edited by ShadownINja on Sunday 29th March 12:59

[Famous Graham]

turbobloke said:

The National Grid web pages give data on the last 7 days here:

http://www.nationalgrid.com/uk/Electricity/Data/Re...

This would allow a comparison over the last week (obviously!) but it's been either unavailable or won't fully upload on various attempts to access it earlier. Worth trying a few more times.

They probably turned off the webserver