Nick Griffin: "Sink Immigrants' Boats"
Discussion
JagLover said:
The concept that such a calculation tells you all you need to know about the economic impact of immigrants is f
king ridiculous. I am perfectly willing to accept that immigration costs the country money; you'll need to do much better than that to convince me though.
I think a recent study showed that immigration as a whole was only a marginal benefit to GDP per head. If you take out highly skilled migrants then the picture is even worse.
In terms of fiscal impact you have to look at the whole life cost and revenue. It is no good only looking at a fiscal benefit when they are in their prime and ignoring the fact they will retire just like anyone else.
Added to which many immigrant communities have far higher rates of welfare dependcy than the average.
The factor you are not mentioning is with your highly skilled migrant, you are getting a qualified doctor, nurse, engineer, teacher or accountant often with experience, at no cost whatsoever to the UK. The cost of training a specialist engineer or a consultant doctor will easily run into hundreds of thousands of pounds, and the UK gets this expertise at no cost whatsoever. Besides being an asset to the UK when economically active, a person in that position would provide for their own retirement, further reducing the cost to the UK. king ridiculous. I am perfectly willing to accept that immigration costs the country money; you'll need to do much better than that to convince me though.I think a recent study showed that immigration as a whole was only a marginal benefit to GDP per head. If you take out highly skilled migrants then the picture is even worse.
In terms of fiscal impact you have to look at the whole life cost and revenue. It is no good only looking at a fiscal benefit when they are in their prime and ignoring the fact they will retire just like anyone else.
Added to which many immigrant communities have far higher rates of welfare dependcy than the average.
Immigrants are the current whipping boy for every man and his dog to jump on, often with racial undertones, hence our cretinous countryman in the BNP pushing the issue. It suits his agenda, and in a roundabout way suits the other mainstream parties agenda's to.
Traveller said:
The man is an unmitigated one man comedy show, the new danger to be propagated by labour. He is bad/ racist/evil, so vote for us to keep you safe from this villain.
Yes all those nasty immigrants causing all of the U.K. ills, not the fact that several generations in the UK have never held a job, our much misunderstood parasite social demographic.
Yes those nasty immigrants, doing unspeakable things like being doctors in the NHS or god forbid nurses, how dare they come here and actually work for a living, don't they know they are taking jobs away from completely unskilled and unemployable UK citizens.
What... they are also teachers, the b&st&rds, how dare they attempt to teach the next generation of social parasites that having a job is actually a good idea, presumptuous outlanders.
Yea, get them out, sink their boats, shot their planes down, those damn foreigners, coming here, healing our ill, teaching our kids, running our hotels, building houses, fixing our electrics, paying tax, contributing to society, Who do they think they are.......
OMG - You truly believe that the boats of immigrants washing up on the Italian coast are doctors, teachers etc...Yes all those nasty immigrants causing all of the U.K. ills, not the fact that several generations in the UK have never held a job, our much misunderstood parasite social demographic.
Yes those nasty immigrants, doing unspeakable things like being doctors in the NHS or god forbid nurses, how dare they come here and actually work for a living, don't they know they are taking jobs away from completely unskilled and unemployable UK citizens.
What... they are also teachers, the b&st&rds, how dare they attempt to teach the next generation of social parasites that having a job is actually a good idea, presumptuous outlanders.
Yea, get them out, sink their boats, shot their planes down, those damn foreigners, coming here, healing our ill, teaching our kids, running our hotels, building houses, fixing our electrics, paying tax, contributing to society, Who do they think they are.......
Edited by Traveller on Thursday 9th July 14:52
Mclovin said:
whilst the pound is strong we need to be building cheap housing in these so called third world countries and regardless of race, ship all these people on benefits for more than a year, off to live there...
Why?People can quite easily live in a Nissen huts. No need for all the nice new houses to be given over to social housing.
I am sure people would soon be wanting to work instead of living there.
He was interviewed by a radio station here in WA.
http://www.6pr.com.au and click the pic for the interview
http://www.6pr.com.au and click the pic for the interview
hairykrishna said:
Where exactly are all of the people assuming that immigrants cost us a load of money getting their figures? I can't find any that seem credible. All of the (recent) immigrants I've met have been extremely hard working and certainly benefit our economy rather than acting as a drain.
You ought to try Bristol, mate. There are 15,000 Somalians here, mainly in one particular area which is now pretty much a no-go area for the white indigenous population. Should I feel like that in my own country? Of course not. As for being "extremely hard working and benefiting our economy", the vast majority do nothing of the sort. They stand on street corners all day doing the square root of fk all....Instead of pooh-poohing Tinmans figures, why don't you find some of your own to back your arguments up? Yes they might well be a wee bit simple but I'd rather have a set of those figures than none at all.
Edited by Smart Mart on Saturday 11th July 16:39
Smart Mart said:
hairykrishna said:
Where exactly are all of the people assuming that immigrants cost us a load of money getting their figures? I can't find any that seem credible. All of the (recent) immigrants I've met have been extremely hard working and certainly benefit our economy rather than acting as a drain.
You ought to try Bristol, mate. There are 15,000 Somalians here, mainly in one particular area which is now pretty much a no-go area for the white indigenous population. Should I feel like that in my own country? Of course not. As for being "extremely hard working and benefiting our economy", the vast majority do nothing of the sort. They stand on street corners all day doing the square root of fk all....Instead of pooh-poohing Tinmans figures, why don't you find some of your own to back your arguments up? Yes they might well be a wee bit simple but I'd rather have a set of those figures than none at all.
Edited by Smart Mart on Saturday 11th July 16:39
Smart Mart said:
You ought to try Bristol, mate. There are 15,000 Somalians here, mainly in one particular area which is now pretty much a no-go area for the white indigenous population. Should I feel like that in my own country? Of course not. As for being "extremely hard working and benefiting our economy", the vast majority do nothing of the sort. They stand on street corners all day doing the square root of fk all....
Instead of pooh-poohing Tinmans figures, why don't you find some of your own to back your arguments up? Yes they might well be a wee bit simple but I'd rather have a set of those figures than none at all.
His figures were nonsense. It assumed all immigrants earned minimum wage and had no other economic impact. Basing your opinion on a set of nonsense figures is pointless; that was my whole original point.k all....Instead of pooh-poohing Tinmans figures, why don't you find some of your own to back your arguments up? Yes they might well be a wee bit simple but I'd rather have a set of those figures than none at all.
Edited by Smart Mart on Saturday 11th July 16:39
Government figures suggest that immigrants add around £6bn a year to the economy. Where does that fit in?
Edited by hairykrishna on Saturday 11th July 18:47
hairykrishna said:
Smart Mart said:
You ought to try Bristol, mate. There are 15,000 Somalians here, mainly in one particular area which is now pretty much a no-go area for the white indigenous population. Should I feel like that in my own country? Of course not. As for being "extremely hard working and benefiting our economy", the vast majority do nothing of the sort. They stand on street corners all day doing the square root of fk all....
Instead of pooh-poohing Tinmans figures, why don't you find some of your own to back your arguments up? Yes they might well be a wee bit simple but I'd rather have a set of those figures than none at all.
His figures were nonsense. It assumed all immigrants earned minimum wage and had no other economic impact. Basing your opinion on a set of nonsense figures is pointless; that was my whole original point.k all....Instead of pooh-poohing Tinmans figures, why don't you find some of your own to back your arguments up? Yes they might well be a wee bit simple but I'd rather have a set of those figures than none at all.
Edited by Smart Mart on Saturday 11th July 16:39
Government figures suggest that immigrants add around £6bn a year to the economy. Where does that fit in?
Edited by hairykrishna on Saturday 11th July 18:47
Are you an immigrant per chance??
hairykrishna said:
Smart Mart said:
You ought to try Bristol, mate. There are 15,000 Somalians here, mainly in one particular area which is now pretty much a no-go area for the white indigenous population. Should I feel like that in my own country? Of course not. As for being "extremely hard working and benefiting our economy", the vast majority do nothing of the sort. They stand on street corners all day doing the square root of fk all....
Instead of pooh-poohing Tinmans figures, why don't you find some of your own to back your arguments up? Yes they might well be a wee bit simple but I'd rather have a set of those figures than none at all.
His figures were nonsense. It assumed all immigrants earned minimum wage and had no other economic impact. Basing your opinion on a set of nonsense figures is pointless; that was my whole original point.k all....Instead of pooh-poohing Tinmans figures, why don't you find some of your own to back your arguments up? Yes they might well be a wee bit simple but I'd rather have a set of those figures than none at all.
Edited by Smart Mart on Saturday 11th July 16:39
Government figures suggest that immigrants add around £6bn a year to the economy. Where does that fit in?
Edited by hairykrishna on Saturday 11th July 18:47
Or is it that they bring £6 billion but cost £x billion as well?
Genuine question!
hairykrishna said:
His figures were nonsense. It assumed all immigrants earned minimum wage and had no other economic impact. Basing your opinion on a set of nonsense figures is pointless; that was my whole original point.
Government figures suggest that immigrants add around £6bn a year to the economy. Where does that fit in?
£6billion?!!Government figures suggest that immigrants add around £6bn a year to the economy. Where does that fit in?
They estimate there are 500,000 to 900,000 illegal immigrants.
Apparently they give 6-12k a year to the economy.
These are people who pay no taxes, use all public services and can only possibly be taking from the economy.
So how does that work. Or do they mean they estimate they will be earning that and times it by how many illegals they think there are. It is illegal, so there can be no way of telling this. So in other words the governemnt figures are pure sh!t.
If politicians were to address concerns instead of telling people to shut up they may stop the growing support for the BNP in its tracks.
It is so easy to get a student visa, all you have to do is enroll on a course at any registered uni and you're in, then once you are in the UK you can apply for a different visa (one that you probably wouldn't have been given if that is what you applied for in the 1st place)
You only have to do a quick search on google to see there are dedicated forums and websites telling you to get a student visa as they are not questioned then get a different one when you are in. (you wonder why 10,000 Somalis turn up in a university town)
it is not about a family or two turning up in your road anymore, where everybody would get on and have a laugh, where the kids would play with each other. Its about thousands and thousands of young men turning up at once not speaking the language, keeping to themselves and making my local council put up signs asking them not to eat the ducks
It is so easy to get a student visa, all you have to do is enroll on a course at any registered uni and you're in, then once you are in the UK you can apply for a different visa (one that you probably wouldn't have been given if that is what you applied for in the 1st place)
You only have to do a quick search on google to see there are dedicated forums and websites telling you to get a student visa as they are not questioned then get a different one when you are in. (you wonder why 10,000 Somalis turn up in a university town)
it is not about a family or two turning up in your road anymore, where everybody would get on and have a laugh, where the kids would play with each other. Its about thousands and thousands of young men turning up at once not speaking the language, keeping to themselves and making my local council put up signs asking them not to eat the ducks
elster said:
£6billion?!!
They estimate there are 500,000 to 900,000 illegal immigrants.
Apparently they give 6-12k a year to the economy.
These are people who pay no taxes, use all public services and can only possibly be taking from the economy.
So how does that work. Or do they mean they estimate they will be earning that and times it by how many illegals they think there are. It is illegal, so there can be no way of telling this. So in other words the governemnt figures are pure sh!t.
You seem to be confusing 'illegal immigrants' with 'immigrants'. They estimate there are 500,000 to 900,000 illegal immigrants.
Apparently they give 6-12k a year to the economy.
These are people who pay no taxes, use all public services and can only possibly be taking from the economy.
So how does that work. Or do they mean they estimate they will be earning that and times it by how many illegals they think there are. It is illegal, so there can be no way of telling this. So in other words the governemnt figures are pure sh!t.
hairykrishna said:
elster said:
£6billion?!!
They estimate there are 500,000 to 900,000 illegal immigrants.
Apparently they give 6-12k a year to the economy.
These are people who pay no taxes, use all public services and can only possibly be taking from the economy.
So how does that work. Or do they mean they estimate they will be earning that and times it by how many illegals they think there are. It is illegal, so there can be no way of telling this. So in other words the governemnt figures are pure sh!t.
You seem to be confusing 'illegal immigrants' with 'immigrants'. They estimate there are 500,000 to 900,000 illegal immigrants.
Apparently they give 6-12k a year to the economy.
These are people who pay no taxes, use all public services and can only possibly be taking from the economy.
So how does that work. Or do they mean they estimate they will be earning that and times it by how many illegals they think there are. It is illegal, so there can be no way of telling this. So in other words the governemnt figures are pure sh!t.
ks if they only do that!elster said:
hairykrishna said:
elster said:
£6billion?!!
They estimate there are 500,000 to 900,000 illegal immigrants.
Apparently they give 6-12k a year to the economy.
These are people who pay no taxes, use all public services and can only possibly be taking from the economy.
So how does that work. Or do they mean they estimate they will be earning that and times it by how many illegals they think there are. It is illegal, so there can be no way of telling this. So in other words the governemnt figures are pure sh!t.
You seem to be confusing 'illegal immigrants' with 'immigrants'. They estimate there are 500,000 to 900,000 illegal immigrants.
Apparently they give 6-12k a year to the economy.
These are people who pay no taxes, use all public services and can only possibly be taking from the economy.
So how does that work. Or do they mean they estimate they will be earning that and times it by how many illegals they think there are. It is illegal, so there can be no way of telling this. So in other words the governemnt figures are pure sh!t.
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