UK file-sharers will be 'cut off'
Discussion
Tycho said:
I am still convinced that a lot of the illegal downloading is caused by the crazy film and TV licensing situation. A lot of people I know actually download the latest films and series from the States rather than wait for it to come out over here so they can chat online about it to their mates in the US. Most of them will also get the BD or DVD when it is out here as well. There is no legitimate reason for the staggered releases at all.
Or for releasing different editions of DVDS for the regions. Region 1 SE gets extras A, B and C. REgion 2 copy gets extras A, C and E etc.
deckster said:
hornet said:
Other than using entrapment on the torrent networks, how exactly does the ISP know that the content you are sharing is in violation?
The ISP doesn't know (and generally speaking doesn't want to know). However it's trivial for anybody to find out who is downloading a particular torrent, as by its very nature your IP is shared amongst the entire swarm. All the copyright holders have to do is download the torrent and bing, they get the IPs of everybody else that is downloading it. Not that you can't get round it in various ways, but for anonymity your basic torrent download is worse than useless.The games market does seem to be moving towards downloading more, i.e. there's the playstation store and on xbox live you can now download full current'ish games, it is ludicrous that we have to go buy a physical product, they should all be downloadable and we should get an appropriate discount for buying direct and downloading rather than them having to write to a DVD distribute it, package it, then allow the retailer a margin.
Again, I was just looking on the itunes store, to "rent" marley and me is going to cost me £3.49, I probably rent it in blockbuster for the same amount if not cheaper, where's the incentive!
http://www.onlive.com/ - this project looks very promising and exciting :-)
Again, I was just looking on the itunes store, to "rent" marley and me is going to cost me £3.49, I probably rent it in blockbuster for the same amount if not cheaper, where's the incentive!
http://www.onlive.com/ - this project looks very promising and exciting :-)
teapea said:
The games market does seem to be moving towards downloading more, i.e. there's the playstation store and on xbox live you can now download full current'ish games, it is ludicrous that we have to go buy a physical product, they should all be downloadable and we should get an appropriate discount for buying direct and downloading rather than them having to write to a DVD distribute it, package it, then allow the retailer a margin.
Again, I was just looking on the itunes store, to "rent" marley and me is going to cost me £3.49, I probably rent it in blockbuster for the same amount if not cheaper, where's the incentive!
http://www.onlive.com/ - this project looks very promising and exciting :-)
Why would you want to rent Marley & Me? (BTW, the dog dies... Again, I was just looking on the itunes store, to "rent" marley and me is going to cost me £3.49, I probably rent it in blockbuster for the same amount if not cheaper, where's the incentive!
http://www.onlive.com/ - this project looks very promising and exciting :-)
)I think that the digital download of games is also a measure to destroy the 2nd hand market as the publishers have been b
hing about this for a while as they don't get paid, the game shop gets all the profit.I really regret getting Socom as a download now as it is crap and I can't swap it.
6655321 said:
trying a free trial of giganews... Any other search engine thingies you would recommend? That binnews one is invite only
use astra news not giganews, lots cheaper for same speeds and they arent pulling stuff off the servers like giganews are after dmca requests.http://www.news.astraweb.com/specials/kleverig-11....
list of nzb sites, i pay for newzbin.com £15 a year but if you sign up for a year between christmas and new year they have done a half price sale for the last few years.
http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&...
DailyMash said:
FILE-SHARE CRACKDOWN 'BREACHES FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT TO STEAL'
PLANS to cut-off the internet connections of people who share films and music have been branded an attack on the basic right to steal other people's property.
As Lord Mandelson unveiled legislation which would make it a crime to just help yourself whenever you damn well pleased, internet service providers said the new laws were an unfair restriction on their ability to give broadband connections to thieves.
A spokesman for TalkTalk said: "Why should parents be penalised just because they're unlucky enough to raise a criminal who can get them a free download of Gran Torino?"
Emma Bradford, 17, from Grantham, said: "I went into Reg Vardy's this week intending to drive off in a brand new Ford Focus. But the guy refused to give me the keys and pointed to this big sign saying that all the cars have to be paid for, like they were someone's property or something."
She added: "People don't own cars. Cars just exist. They're in the ether. They're like the air that we breathe. I suppose you want to charge me for breathing now?"
Stephen Malley, an 18 year-old thief from Hatfield, said: "I don't have the balls for shoplifting which means I am forced to help myself in the privacy of my own bedroom.
"When will the government realise that no-one owns music, with the possible exception of the people who wrote it and the people who then the paid the people who wrote an agreed sum of monies?
"But what gives them the right - enshrined in legislation, mind you - to recoup those monies from me just because I want to have a permanent copy of it that I can listen to whenever I want?"
He added: "I've just realised - I am exactly the same as Gandhi."
PLANS to cut-off the internet connections of people who share films and music have been branded an attack on the basic right to steal other people's property.
As Lord Mandelson unveiled legislation which would make it a crime to just help yourself whenever you damn well pleased, internet service providers said the new laws were an unfair restriction on their ability to give broadband connections to thieves.
A spokesman for TalkTalk said: "Why should parents be penalised just because they're unlucky enough to raise a criminal who can get them a free download of Gran Torino?"
Emma Bradford, 17, from Grantham, said: "I went into Reg Vardy's this week intending to drive off in a brand new Ford Focus. But the guy refused to give me the keys and pointed to this big sign saying that all the cars have to be paid for, like they were someone's property or something."
She added: "People don't own cars. Cars just exist. They're in the ether. They're like the air that we breathe. I suppose you want to charge me for breathing now?"
Stephen Malley, an 18 year-old thief from Hatfield, said: "I don't have the balls for shoplifting which means I am forced to help myself in the privacy of my own bedroom.
"When will the government realise that no-one owns music, with the possible exception of the people who wrote it and the people who then the paid the people who wrote an agreed sum of monies?
"But what gives them the right - enshrined in legislation, mind you - to recoup those monies from me just because I want to have a permanent copy of it that I can listen to whenever I want?"
He added: "I've just realised - I am exactly the same as Gandhi."
Just read the same story on thereg..
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/sabip_7m_s...
A government advisory body quoting figures paid for by a trade association that's actively lobbying for a crackdown on file-sharers isn't the worst of it either.
According to More or Less, the 7 million figure was actually rounded up from 6.7 million. The 6.7 million came from a 2008 survey of a mere 1,176 households connected to the internet. For the survey, 11.6 per cent of respondents (136 people) said they had used file-sharing software. The 11.6 per cent figure was then adjusted upwards to 16.3 per cent to reflect the assumption that more people wouldn't admit to file sharing. (Mulligan told the show that the adjustment wasn't pulled out of thin air, but based on unspecified evidence).
The BPI-sponsored research also went under the assumption that there were 40 million people online in the UK in 2008 — a figure much higher than the Office of National Statistics' estimate of 33.9 million that year.
The show notes that even if you accept the statistic that 16.3 per cent of the UK's online population is involved with illegal file-sharing, using the ONS figure would result in only 5.6 million offenders. And if you also don't adjust for under-reporting, it drops down to 3.9 million.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/04/sabip_7m_s...
A government advisory body quoting figures paid for by a trade association that's actively lobbying for a crackdown on file-sharers isn't the worst of it either.
According to More or Less, the 7 million figure was actually rounded up from 6.7 million. The 6.7 million came from a 2008 survey of a mere 1,176 households connected to the internet. For the survey, 11.6 per cent of respondents (136 people) said they had used file-sharing software. The 11.6 per cent figure was then adjusted upwards to 16.3 per cent to reflect the assumption that more people wouldn't admit to file sharing. (Mulligan told the show that the adjustment wasn't pulled out of thin air, but based on unspecified evidence).
The BPI-sponsored research also went under the assumption that there were 40 million people online in the UK in 2008 — a figure much higher than the Office of National Statistics' estimate of 33.9 million that year.
The show notes that even if you accept the statistic that 16.3 per cent of the UK's online population is involved with illegal file-sharing, using the ONS figure would result in only 5.6 million offenders. And if you also don't adjust for under-reporting, it drops down to 3.9 million.
t'Article said:
A rift has opened between music's creators and its record labels, with a broad alliance of musicians, songwriters and producers fiercely criticising the business secretary Lord Mandelson's plans to cut off the broadband connections of internet users who illegally download music.
In a statement seen by the Guardian, a coalition of bodies representing a range of stars including Sir Paul McCartney, Sir Elton John and Damon Albarn attacks the proposals as expensive, illogical and "extraordinarily negative".
HereIn a statement seen by the Guardian, a coalition of bodies representing a range of stars including Sir Paul McCartney, Sir Elton John and Damon Albarn attacks the proposals as expensive, illogical and "extraordinarily negative".
teapea said:
The games market does seem to be moving towards downloading more, i.e. there's the playstation store and on xbox live you can now download full current'ish games, it is ludicrous that we have to go buy a physical product, they should all be downloadable and we should get an appropriate discount for buying direct and downloading rather than them having to write to a DVD distribute it, package it, then allow the retailer a margin.
Again, I was just looking on the itunes store, to "rent" marley and me is going to cost me £3.49, I probably rent it in blockbuster for the same amount if not cheaper, where's the incentive!
http://www.onlive.com/ - this project looks very promising and exciting :-)
Downloading of games makes use of DRM, it is smart in that it locks the content to the machine that downloads it, making it difficult to distribute it. Also it's a LOT cheaper since your not paying as many middlemen, retailers i believe make the biggest profit out of everyone. I'm not sure how many can condone pirating video games, if everyone did it then surely the developers would end up bankrupt or not interested in the format. If anyone remembers the Commodore Amiga in the 1990's they will know what i mean.Again, I was just looking on the itunes store, to "rent" marley and me is going to cost me £3.49, I probably rent it in blockbuster for the same amount if not cheaper, where's the incentive!
http://www.onlive.com/ - this project looks very promising and exciting :-)
Edited by scorp on Sunday 6th September 03:09
Mr E said:
Mr Whippy said:
Frankeh said:
You know what really pisses me off? When I'm sitting in the cinema and they tell me not to steal/download movies. If I'm in a cinema, what the hell am I doing? That's right. Paying for movies.
Haha, yep, or sitting watching your paid for DVD, having to be forced to watch the tripe about not copying.If I'd actually copied it I wouldn't even have this bit copied onto my DVD or x264 HD video file etc
My HTPC is not HDCP compliant, so an official blu-ray disc with an official blu-ray logo on it will not play in an official blu-ray drive which also has an official blu-ray logo on it.
scorp said:
teapea said:
The games market does seem to be moving towards downloading more, i.e. there's the playstation store and on xbox live you can now download full current'ish games, it is ludicrous that we have to go buy a physical product, they should all be downloadable and we should get an appropriate discount for buying direct and downloading rather than them having to write to a DVD distribute it, package it, then allow the retailer a margin.
Again, I was just looking on the itunes store, to "rent" marley and me is going to cost me £3.49, I probably rent it in blockbuster for the same amount if not cheaper, where's the incentive!
http://www.onlive.com/ - this project looks very promising and exciting :-)
Downloading of games makes use of DRM, it is smart in that it locks the content to the machine that downloads it, making it difficult to distribute it. Also it's a LOT cheaper since your not paying as many middlemen, retailers i believe make the biggest profit out of everyone. I'm not sure how many can condone pirating video games, if everyone did it then surely the developers would end up bankrupt or not interested in the format. If anyone remembers the Commodore Amiga in the 1990's they will know what i mean.Again, I was just looking on the itunes store, to "rent" marley and me is going to cost me £3.49, I probably rent it in blockbuster for the same amount if not cheaper, where's the incentive!
http://www.onlive.com/ - this project looks very promising and exciting :-)
Edited by scorp on Sunday 6th September 03:09
I have a log-on on my desktop, this laptop, my mates partners machine when I go round to play network games, and my brothers partners machine, again, so we can play games when I go round.
I can simply sit down and play my whole Steam library anywhere I want. So it's not really locked to a machine, in that case it's locked to an account.
Now, the day they lock an account to a single machine, will be the day I just stop buying games except from a box in the shop, and a swift download of a crack/no-cd patch to remove all the junk from it!
The only way is 'open'... even if they banned all illegal game downloads we can still patch games and buy a game between a few mates for example.
If they made games a reasonable price, and actually good, then they have absolutely nothing to worry about
I reckon more stuff in the future will be open source community developed anyway. Alot of commercial stuff these days is just crap.
Dave
The bill has been passed, I don't know the ins and outs but if her Maj puts her signature on it, its then a law.
Not that it makes the slightest bit of difference, one can just hire a Russian seedbox and continue pirating.
http://www.seedhost.net/members/index.php
Not that it makes the slightest bit of difference, one can just hire a Russian seedbox and continue pirating.
http://www.seedhost.net/members/index.php
I think industry could easily adapt. This more about setting up a dvla style useless organisation to monitor what people do on the internet.
Where do you think all these new jobs are going to come from in this fair future for all. My prediction is the 50p phone tax will be £16 by 2013.
Where do you think all these new jobs are going to come from in this fair future for all. My prediction is the 50p phone tax will be £16 by 2013.
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