Public Sector

[Pupp]

Futuo said:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/8537...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8537298.stm

The public sector in all it's worthless, corrupt and incompetent glory...

These are both stories about criminal behaviour by individuals. By what mental gymnastics do you leap to your conclusions of worthlessness, corruption and incompetence; are you suggesting no-one in the private sector ever behaved criminally or failed to address criminality as effectively as they might (applying huge measures of hindsight)?

[Pupp]

Tell you what, here's one about those sleaze mongering private sector types

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1246231/Op...

[Futuo]

No they aren't, one is but one is about someone who is utterly hopeless at their job and then when a child snuffs it they don't see they have any of the blame, rather like the Climbe or Baby P case.

Did his dad not say that doing that would make him go blind!!!
- Annie, Somewhere, northern ireland,

[minimoog]

• checks address bar*

Strange. Could have sworn I'd stumbled onto the Daily Mail website.

[bga]

Futuo said:

Don't begrudge a decent whack for nurses, doctors etc it's all the unnecessary admin crap that gets me. When folk say ring fencing Health I hope they mean healthcare professionals not admin types.

A lot of the unnecessary admin stuff has become necessary with a general requirement for increasing individual accountability and meeting targets.

[Futuo]

Targets that NuLabour set and usually fail to meet, so why bother in the first place, ahh because it means they can make press releases about how wonderful they are and bribe a load of useless types to keep on voting Labour.

[bobbylondonuk]

public sector employees are paid from our taxes in the pvt sector...so going crazy on them when they mess up is justified.

Pvt sector mess ups are a matter between employer and employee becuase that cost is paid from the individual company and has nothing to do with the population at large. Even if you start banker bashing....all pvt sector are wealth creators and all public sector are tax liability in the grand scheme of things.

Am I wrong?

[Dupont666]

bobbylondonuk said:

public sector employees are paid from our taxes in the pvt sector...so going crazy on them when they mess up is justified.

Pvt sector mess ups are a matter between employer and employee becuase that cost is paid from the individual company and has nothing to do with the population at large. Even if you start banker bashing....all pvt sector are wealth creators and all public sector are tax liability in the grand scheme of things.

Am I wrong?

nail head hit....

[Pupp]

Dupont666 said:

bobbylondonuk said:

public sector employees are paid from our taxes in the pvt sector...so going crazy on them when they mess up is justified.

Pvt sector mess ups are a matter between employer and employee becuase that cost is paid from the individual company and has nothing to do with the population at large. Even if you start banker bashing....all pvt sector are wealth creators and all public sector are tax liability in the grand scheme of things.

Am I wrong?

nail head hit....

Of course no one on the public sector pays tax...

[Futuo]

But they cost more than they bring in, yes?

Unless they have just volunteered for 90% taxation, if they have then fine, employ 3 million more of the lazy good for nowt lentil munchers.

[anonymous-user]

Pupp said:

Of course no one on the public sector pays tax...

i think you need to think about that for a second

or maybe a few days with a holiday and a sicky thrown in

Edited by fbrs on Friday 26th February 16:15

[Deva Link]

Pupp said:

Of course no one on the public sector pays tax...

They do, but they get an employee discount.

[bobbylondonuk]

Pupp said:

Dupont666 said:

bobbylondonuk said:

public sector employees are paid from our taxes in the pvt sector...so going crazy on them when they mess up is justified.

Pvt sector mess ups are a matter between employer and employee becuase that cost is paid from the individual company and has nothing to do with the population at large. Even if you start banker bashing....all pvt sector are wealth creators and all public sector are tax liability in the grand scheme of things.

Am I wrong?

nail head hit....

Of course no one on the public sector pays tax...

In the larger picture...it is a book adjustment.

1. bobbylondonuk pays tax to slugbrows
2. Slugbrows pays some of it to pupp
3. slugbrows deducts some of pupp's pay packet to route it back to his pocket to reuse elswhere.
Net effect is recirculation of bobbylondonuk's tax deduction.

I understand your statement from an individual employee point of view...but public sector pay and tax deduction are a book adjustment from the pvt sector tax collection. that is the reality!

[Guybrush]

Pupp said:

Dupont666 said:

bobbylondonuk said:

public sector employees are paid from our taxes in the pvt sector...so going crazy on them when they mess up is justified.

Pvt sector mess ups are a matter between employer and employee becuase that cost is paid from the individual company and has nothing to do with the population at large. Even if you start banker bashing....all pvt sector are wealth creators and all public sector are tax liability in the grand scheme of things.

Am I wrong?

nail head hit....

Of course no one on the public sector pays tax...

Yes, they have deductions which are described on their pay slips as 'tax'. However, this money of course originates in the first place from the private sector, as does 100% of the public sector's salary bill. The 'tax' they pay doesn't help the country at all, it's just going round in one big circle. The very few in the public sector doing an essential job are useful, the rest are really parasites.

[Nick_F]

Okay, so how would you characterize the margins made by private sector businesses on the products and services that they supply to public sector organizations?

[anonymous-user]

Guybrush said:

parasites.

a touch harsh to apply it broadly but probably a pretty accurate description of a million of them. this seems an apropriate place to post this again...

Year UK Public sector unfunded pension liability
1996 270bn
2002 380bn
2003 425bn
2004 460bn
2005 530bn
2006 650bn
2009 886bn

remember these are government figures, indepenent actuarial figures are 50% higher and they are NOT part of the official government debt, despite being legal liabilites.

sources;

http://www.management-issues.com/2006/8/24/researc...
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/foi_publicservicep...
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/...
http://www.bnac.org/files/BNAC%20Release%20on%20pu...

Edited by fbrs on Friday 12th March 03:37

[Mojooo]

bobbylondonuk said:

public sector employees are paid from our taxes in the pvt sector...so going crazy on them when they mess up is justified.

Pvt sector mess ups are a matter between employer and employee becuase that cost is paid from the individual company and has nothing to do with the population at large. Even if you start banker bashing....all pvt sector are wealth creators and all public sector are tax liability in the grand scheme of things.

Am I wrong?

It all depends on how much value you put on each Public sector persons job though

Some people think some of the jobs are non jobs whereas someone else might really value it.

[tangent police]

fbrs said:

Guybrush said:

parasites.

a touch harsh to apply it broadly but probably a pretty accurate description of a million of them. this seems an apropriate place to post this again...

Year UK Public sector unfunded pension liability
2002 380bn
2003 425bn
2004 460bn
2005 530bn
2006 650bn
2009 886bn

remember these are government figures, indepenent actuarial figures are 50% higher and they are NOT part of the official government debt, despite being legal liabilites.

sources;

http://www.management-issues.com/2006/8/24/researc...
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/foi_publicservicep...
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/...
http://www.bnac.org/files/BNAC%20Release%20on%20pu...

st a brick! How are they planning to deal with that little lot?

[oyster]

Serious question...

Where do you draw the line at what jobs are actually necessary in the public sector?

[bobbylondonuk]

Nick_F said:

Okay, so how would you characterize the margins made by private sector businesses on the products and services that they supply to public sector organizations?

The margins would, if you analyse the flow of money, be from the tax take of the private sector. Essentially a tax rebate if you want to call a spade a spade!