Jon Venables back in prison
Discussion
Tony*T3 said:
added this to earlier reply:
Well done. Bet you're in a minority though. Everyone knows who killed Jamie Bulger. There are dozens of children murdered every year, bet even you cant name many of the people responsible? Because some murderers become 'celebrity criminals' due to press coverage, whilst the majority dont.
I can name more child killers than I can their victims...Well done. Bet you're in a minority though. Everyone knows who killed Jamie Bulger. There are dozens of children murdered every year, bet even you cant name many of the people responsible? Because some murderers become 'celebrity criminals' due to press coverage, whilst the majority dont.
y2blade said:
anything that ends with children getting harmed really does deserve a proper punishment
While I think I agree, if you push this any much further you'll be into "Won't someone think of the children?" territory. Which is, as you'll well know, a point of view which is widely ridiculed on here. I'd suggest that anything that ends with anyone getting involutarily harmed really does deserve a proper punishment.
Oli.
ApexJimi said:
I can't quite make up my mind about this.
On one hand, I can see where 10PS is coming from, and agree to an extent that an adult shouldn't be judged for something he or she did as a 10 year old child.
However, by the same token, at ten years old, I'm fairly sure most of us reading this thread would have known that killing & torturing a baby is a bad thing to do.
But most of us reading this thread didn't have such a messed-up childhood as Venables and Thompson did.On one hand, I can see where 10PS is coming from, and agree to an extent that an adult shouldn't be judged for something he or she did as a 10 year old child.
However, by the same token, at ten years old, I'm fairly sure most of us reading this thread would have known that killing & torturing a baby is a bad thing to do.
Such upbringings are often dismissed as excuses for a child being 'evil' but they do have a large effect. Kids don't express issues in the same ways as adults.
Like 10PS, I'm not defending Venables and Thompson. What they did was abhorrent.
zcacogp said:
y2blade said:
anything that ends with children getting harmed really does deserve a proper punishment
While I think I agree, if you push this any much further you'll be into "Won't someone think of the children?" territory. Which is, as you'll well know, a point of view which is widely ridiculed on here. I'd suggest that anything that ends with anyone getting involutarily harmed really does deserve a proper punishment.
Oli.
Muzzer said:
ApexJimi said:
I can't quite make up my mind about this.
On one hand, I can see where 10PS is coming from, and agree to an extent that an adult shouldn't be judged for something he or she did as a 10 year old child.
However, by the same token, at ten years old, I'm fairly sure most of us reading this thread would have known that killing & torturing a baby is a bad thing to do.
But most of us reading this thread didn't have such a messed-up childhood as Venables and Thompson did.On one hand, I can see where 10PS is coming from, and agree to an extent that an adult shouldn't be judged for something he or she did as a 10 year old child.
However, by the same token, at ten years old, I'm fairly sure most of us reading this thread would have known that killing & torturing a baby is a bad thing to do.
Such upbringings are often dismissed as excuses for a child being 'evil' but they do have a large effect. Kids don't express issues in the same ways as adults.
Like 10PS, I'm not defending Venables and Thompson. What they did was abhorrent.
esselte said:
Muzzer said:
ApexJimi said:
I can't quite make up my mind about this.
On one hand, I can see where 10PS is coming from, and agree to an extent that an adult shouldn't be judged for something he or she did as a 10 year old child.
However, by the same token, at ten years old, I'm fairly sure most of us reading this thread would have known that killing & torturing a baby is a bad thing to do.
But most of us reading this thread didn't have such a messed-up childhood as Venables and Thompson did.On one hand, I can see where 10PS is coming from, and agree to an extent that an adult shouldn't be judged for something he or she did as a 10 year old child.
However, by the same token, at ten years old, I'm fairly sure most of us reading this thread would have known that killing & torturing a baby is a bad thing to do.
Such upbringings are often dismissed as excuses for a child being 'evil' but they do have a large effect. Kids don't express issues in the same ways as adults.
Like 10PS, I'm not defending Venables and Thompson. What they did was abhorrent.
Well I just now stupidly clicked on that link about what happen to the child as didn't really know details, we only got the high level stuff in Australia.
Now feel f
kin sad, got tears in my eyes, stomach has gone tight etc.. just fkin awful.
Hope that Jon get's some of that special 'treatment' in jail over this.
Now feel f
kin sad, got tears in my eyes, stomach has gone tight etc.. just fkin awful.Hope that Jon get's some of that special 'treatment' in jail over this.
robm3 said:
Well I just now stupidly clicked on that link about what happen to the child as didn't really know details, we only got the high level stuff in Australia.
Now feel fkin sad, got tears in my eyes, stomach has gone tight etc.. just fkin awful.
Hope that Jon get's some of that special 'treatment' in jail over this.
Snap, I had tears in my eyes reading the details (I was only 8 at the time so a lot of what was reported went over my head).Now feel f
kin sad, got tears in my eyes, stomach has gone tight etc.. just fkin awful.Hope that Jon get's some of that special 'treatment' in jail over this.
RIP James.
mikechandler said:
Snap, I had tears in my eyes reading the details (I was only 8 at the time so a lot of what was reported went over my head).
RIP James.
I was made to read some of that case for my degree. From that moment on I would happily execute the two of them. Without compunction. And I wish I could torture them a bit first to make them suffer as well. RIP James.
I was also informed by someone who worked on the case that some details were kept out of public knowledge (i.e. they were too terrible)....
Do I take it they mutilated him in disgusting ways before he died.
The press line seems to be "they threw paint in his face and beat him with bricks and a bar before leaving him to be cut in half on the rails".
They are blatantly from a different planet and in my opinion should be caged for life. Communitarian crap aside, they are vermin and should be exterminated.
The press line seems to be "they threw paint in his face and beat him with bricks and a bar before leaving him to be cut in half on the rails".
They are blatantly from a different planet and in my opinion should be caged for life. Communitarian crap aside, they are vermin and should be exterminated.
Dave_ST220 said:
A 10 year old, no matter what the upbringing, knows what they did was serverly wrong. I have a daughter about the same age as James, how anyone, no matter what age, could do what those evil bds did is beyond me.
Of course they knew it was wrong.ds did is beyond me.They simply didn't care, and that is entirely as a result of their horrific upbringing.
I'm amazed at how often this simple but important fact needs to be repeated.
Parrot of Doom said:
Dave_ST220 said:
A 10 year old, no matter what the upbringing, knows what they did was serverly wrong. I have a daughter about the same age as James, how anyone, no matter what age, could do what those evil bds did is beyond me.
Of course they knew it was wrong.ds did is beyond me.They simply didn't care, and that is entirely as a result of their horrific upbringing.
I'm amazed at how often this simple but important fact needs to be repeated.
Please keep the "Awwww, it was their upbringing" out of it. This may be a contributing factor. It's like turning up for an MOT in a hopelessly rusty car and saying "please give me an MOT, the weather did it".
Nasty damaged creatures which do not deserve freedom. Whoever was the judge who spawned their release needs to have their head tapped of communitarian, christian bulls
t. 
There really are all kinds of complex arguments about this case. I suggest that if the vast majority of the PH contributors put themselves in the position of being 10 years old, having done what these 2 boys have done and have seen the news announce the facts and it bocome clear you are about to be caught! STOP. At this point if you are imagining being confronted by 2 concerned parents, then you have no understanding of Venables and Thompsons life. There were no male role models about for one of them and the other was deprived of one most of the time. There are a whole host of reasons why wee should be compassionate and thats why Michael Howards sentance extension to 15 years was overturned. In the end it boils down to this. Are we going to be compassionate to everyone? To the point where we apportion blame to vitims and criminals alike? Or, are we going to draw a line in the sand and refuse to allow anyone who crosses it to have rights? My vote is for the latter, always. It is easy to make arguments about why stuff like this happens. Poverty, poor communities, lack of community influence, the labour party, Bevan and his welfare state. A whole host of reasons and people who are responsible. These kids came from a sthole, where living conditions were intollerable and guidance was non existant. There is, however a degree of humanity which exists even at a basic level in us all and to that extent even at 10 years old they knew they were being savages. A single bullet to the head should have been their fate. No torture, no beatings as that merely serves to further prove that society was broken in this place. An admission of guilt by all of us and move on is far more honest than all the bleeding heart pschobabble and political correctness can ever be. What is about to happen will be truly awful as its unlikely his identity will be kept secret. I would not like to be a 27 year old scouser who has just been sent down for burglary.
thole, where living conditions were intollerable and guidance was non existant. There is, however a degree of humanity which exists even at a basic level in us all and to that extent even at 10 years old they knew they were being savages. A single bullet to the head should have been their fate. No torture, no beatings as that merely serves to further prove that society was broken in this place. An admission of guilt by all of us and move on is far more honest than all the bleeding heart pschobabble and political correctness can ever be. What is about to happen will be truly awful as its unlikely his identity will be kept secret. I would not like to be a 27 year old scouser who has just been sent down for burglary.catso said:
Freaking sick basturd should be put out of our misery along with his sick accomplice.
If they'd done that to one of my kids I would make it my life's mission to end them, no matter the cost...
Agreed. My youngest lad will be 3 in May. The reality is that your remaining family would need you to be around so ending up in jail for murder yourself wouldn't help anyone in the end If they'd done that to one of my kids I would make it my life's mission to end them, no matter the cost...
I'd also be quite happy to (theoretically) string up all the f
king limp-wristed do-gooders who want to give child-torturing murderers a chance even after the likes of Thompson and Venabales have clearly proved what unacceptably evil fkers they are. What the hell is wrong with some people? In my world a 10 year old doesn't torture and murder a toddler and then get to see the light of day again let alone an all expenses-paid trip to Australia to go and hide himself away. That's the best I can do for a post-midnight rant.I love the warm sense of community that can be felt here at pistonheads. Where a crowd can ignorantly bay for blood like savages yet condemn the same savage behaviour.
Parents, do one thing for me.
Abuse your children, treat them with contempt, never be proud of them for anything. beat them when you feel like hurting something and put lit cigarettes out on them for fun.
Now don't feed them properly, get them drunk and beat them when they are sick, make sure they have no possessions of their own and that they know that they are possessions of yours, that you don't care about.
Now, dominate every aspect of their lives, prevent them from going to school or make them go in dirty, smelly clothes. Make sure they don't have any friends that they want, choose their friends for them, ones that they can get to shoplift for you. Make them watch terrifying films and create an environment of fear and swift reprisals.
After doing all that see what they're capable of.
Amazing how easy it is to "break" a child.
Parents, do one thing for me.
Abuse your children, treat them with contempt, never be proud of them for anything. beat them when you feel like hurting something and put lit cigarettes out on them for fun.
Now don't feed them properly, get them drunk and beat them when they are sick, make sure they have no possessions of their own and that they know that they are possessions of yours, that you don't care about.
Now, dominate every aspect of their lives, prevent them from going to school or make them go in dirty, smelly clothes. Make sure they don't have any friends that they want, choose their friends for them, ones that they can get to shoplift for you. Make them watch terrifying films and create an environment of fear and swift reprisals.
After doing all that see what they're capable of.
Amazing how easy it is to "break" a child.
tangent police said:
Parrot of Doom said:
Dave_ST220 said:
A 10 year old, no matter what the upbringing, knows what they did was serverly wrong. I have a daughter about the same age as James, how anyone, no matter what age, could do what those evil bds did is beyond me.
Of course they knew it was wrong.ds did is beyond me.They simply didn't care, and that is entirely as a result of their horrific upbringing.
I'm amazed at how often this simple but important fact needs to be repeated.
Please keep the "Awwww, it was their upbringing" out of it. This may be a contributing factor. It's like turning up for an MOT in a hopelessly rusty car and saying "please give me an MOT, the weather did it".
Nasty damaged creatures which do not deserve freedom. Whoever was the judge who spawned their release needs to have their head tapped of communitarian, christian bulls
t. king idiot. I'm guessing the latter.FarleyRusk said:
catso said:
Freaking sick basturd should be put out of our misery along with his sick accomplice.
If they'd done that to one of my kids I would make it my life's mission to end them, no matter the cost...
Agreed. My youngest lad will be 3 in May. The reality is that your remaining family would need you to be around so ending up in jail for murder yourself wouldn't help anyone in the end If they'd done that to one of my kids I would make it my life's mission to end them, no matter the cost...
I'd also be quite happy to (theoretically) string up all the f
king limp-wristed do-gooders who want to give child-torturing murderers a chance even after the likes of Thompson and Venabales have clearly proved what unacceptably evil fkers they are. What the hell is wrong with some people? In my world a 10 year old doesn't torture and murder a toddler and then get to see the light of day again let alone an all expenses-paid trip to Australia to go and hide himself away. That's the best I can do for a post-midnight rant.Just imagine that.
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