Has Cameron blown it?

[V8mate]

Rocksteadyeddie said:

V8mate said:

I can't believe how many of you think that an ability to learn a few lines makes him a great orator/public speaker/communicator.

(Repeating myself) If you really want to see how inept he is at communicating when he hasn't been briefed to the hilt, find the 'fly on the wall' TV footage of the Gay Times interview. Epic media fail.

Asked questions to which he hadn't been briefed and prepared - sweating, stuttering, getting annoyed. He's no statesman.

Subscription only. What a surprise

Gay Times may well be subscription only. The TV footage, however, was nothing to do with GT - Cameron was being 'followed' by a documentary crew at the same time as that interview was one of his engagements.

[968]

V8mate said:

Rocksteadyeddie said:

V8mate said:

I can't believe how many of you think that an ability to learn a few lines makes him a great orator/public speaker/communicator.

(Repeating myself) If you really want to see how inept he is at communicating when he hasn't been briefed to the hilt, find the 'fly on the wall' TV footage of the Gay Times interview. Epic media fail.

Asked questions to which he hadn't been briefed and prepared - sweating, stuttering, getting annoyed. He's no statesman.

Subscription only. What a surprise

Gay Times may well be subscription only. The TV footage, however, was nothing to do with GT - Cameron was being 'followed' by a documentary crew at the same time as that interview was one of his engagements.

Great. So vote labour then.

Tell me what your point is and how you wish to address it? To be honest I'm not sure what you expect to happen. Cameron is going to be the leader until the election, so you'd better live with it and decide whether you want a change in govt or not.

[The real Apache]

The average across the polls have the Blues ahead by about 6 points, how much do they need to avoid a hung parliament?

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The real Apache said:

The average across the polls have the Blues ahead by about 6 points, how much do they need to avoid a hung parliament?

A lot more than that. I think it's nearer 10 points.

Problem is that people seem very undecided about politicians full stop. Because of that I see Labour winning or at least a hung parliament where Labour/Lid Dems hold the balance of power, and God help anyone with aspirations for their lives after that.

[V8mate]

968 said:

V8mate said:

Rocksteadyeddie said:

V8mate said:

I can't believe how many of you think that an ability to learn a few lines makes him a great orator/public speaker/communicator.

(Repeating myself) If you really want to see how inept he is at communicating when he hasn't been briefed to the hilt, find the 'fly on the wall' TV footage of the Gay Times interview. Epic media fail.

Asked questions to which he hadn't been briefed and prepared - sweating, stuttering, getting annoyed. He's no statesman.

Subscription only. What a surprise

Gay Times may well be subscription only. The TV footage, however, was nothing to do with GT - Cameron was being 'followed' by a documentary crew at the same time as that interview was one of his engagements.

Great. So vote labour then.

Tell me what your point is and how you wish to address it? To be honest I'm not sure what you expect to happen. Cameron is going to be the leader until the election, so you'd better live with it and decide whether you want a change in govt or not.

I'm not sure how your post followed mine and RSE's, but I'll play along.

I'd like to address this issue by setting aside the democratic process, inaugurating a positive dictatorship, (happy to step up the plate), privatising most major functions of state, retaining only a 'fit-for-purpose' military (and border) defence force and a police service with clearly defined parameters of maintaining the enforcement of a considerably minimised statute book.

You'll have to forgive the lack of detail; I don't have time this morning to rattle off a full manifesto.

Well, you did ask.

[Tyre Smoke]

The real Apache said:

The average across the polls have the Blues ahead by about 6 points, how much do they need to avoid a hung parliament?

At least 12%

[968]

V8mate said:

968 said:

V8mate said:

Rocksteadyeddie said:

V8mate said:

I can't believe how many of you think that an ability to learn a few lines makes him a great orator/public speaker/communicator.

(Repeating myself) If you really want to see how inept he is at communicating when he hasn't been briefed to the hilt, find the 'fly on the wall' TV footage of the Gay Times interview. Epic media fail.

Asked questions to which he hadn't been briefed and prepared - sweating, stuttering, getting annoyed. He's no statesman.

Subscription only. What a surprise

Gay Times may well be subscription only. The TV footage, however, was nothing to do with GT - Cameron was being 'followed' by a documentary crew at the same time as that interview was one of his engagements.

Great. So vote labour then.

Tell me what your point is and how you wish to address it? To be honest I'm not sure what you expect to happen. Cameron is going to be the leader until the election, so you'd better live with it and decide whether you want a change in govt or not.

I'm not sure how your post followed mine and RSE's, but I'll play along.

I'd like to address this issue by setting aside the democratic process, inaugurating a positive dictatorship, (happy to step up the plate), privatising most major functions of state, retaining only a 'fit-for-purpose' military (and border) defence force and a police service with clearly defined parameters of maintaining the enforcement of a considerably minimised statute book.

You'll have to forgive the lack of detail; I don't have time this morning to rattle off a full manifesto.

Well, you did ask.

I don't think you get it.

This is the real world, and right now, you will have to deal with the party leaders you have, along with their manifestos and unstated intentions, ie the philosophy of their parties.

Now tell me, who will you vote for on May 6th? You're bhing about Cameron endlessly, but the bottom line is whether you like it or not, he will remain Tory leader into the election. So who will you vote for, Cameron, Brown or Clegg (or minor parties?)

[GT03ROB]

968 said:

V8mate said:

GT03ROB said:

V8mate said:

oyster said:

GT03ROB said:

Unfortunately as some have said he lacks charisma. Listen to him talk, there is no passion, no desire. His debating & presentation skills are just amateurish.

He is by far the best orator of the 3 party leaders.

Anyone can deliver pre-written and rehearsed lines.

A true orator speaks from the heart.

Exactly, I keep wanting him to say something that feels like it's him talking. I want to understand what makes him tick. I cannot comprehend what drives him. He seems almost robotic at times. He seems to be fearful, scared to say anything for fear of saying the wrong thing.

Better than the grinning buffoon Brown, but Clegg comes across as natural, which is why he made an impact.

He is. He's C3P0 made entirely of cheap ham.

Great.

Vote Labour then. Or better still vote Lib Dem aka Socialist Workers Party. Clegg is basically an actor who has an easy task of being able to say what he likes, as there's not chance in hell he'll be elected. He can also do what he did in the debate and point at the other 2 parties failings over the years. Cameron has a tough job because he knows what will need to be done to make things work, and most of those things would be likely to lose votes. Clegg however, can promise the earth as he has to deliver bugger all.

Cameron isn't any of the things you make out. If he were I doubt he would have been elected as leader of his party and he wouldn't enjoy support from many Conservatives. Certainly I've been much more impressed with the Tories under Cameron than I was under Howard/Duncan Smith/Hague.

Don't worry I'll be voting Tory, however the problem is it's not me that needs to be convinced!

It's the floaters out there or the labour voters that need to vote Tory if Cameron is to get in that need to be convinced & to me Cameron is not doing enough to convince them.

[V8mate]

968 said:

V8mate said:

968 said:

V8mate said:

Rocksteadyeddie said:

V8mate said:

I can't believe how many of you think that an ability to learn a few lines makes him a great orator/public speaker/communicator.

(Repeating myself) If you really want to see how inept he is at communicating when he hasn't been briefed to the hilt, find the 'fly on the wall' TV footage of the Gay Times interview. Epic media fail.

Asked questions to which he hadn't been briefed and prepared - sweating, stuttering, getting annoyed. He's no statesman.

Subscription only. What a surprise

Gay Times may well be subscription only. The TV footage, however, was nothing to do with GT - Cameron was being 'followed' by a documentary crew at the same time as that interview was one of his engagements.

Great. So vote labour then.

Tell me what your point is and how you wish to address it? To be honest I'm not sure what you expect to happen. Cameron is going to be the leader until the election, so you'd better live with it and decide whether you want a change in govt or not.

I'm not sure how your post followed mine and RSE's, but I'll play along.

I'd like to address this issue by setting aside the democratic process, inaugurating a positive dictatorship, (happy to step up the plate), privatising most major functions of state, retaining only a 'fit-for-purpose' military (and border) defence force and a police service with clearly defined parameters of maintaining the enforcement of a considerably minimised statute book.

You'll have to forgive the lack of detail; I don't have time this morning to rattle off a full manifesto.

Well, you did ask.

I don't think you get it.

This is the real world, and right now, you will have to deal with the party leaders you have, along with their manifestos and unstated intentions, ie the philosophy of their parties.

Now tell me, who will you vote for on May 6th? You're bhing about Cameron endlessly, but the bottom line is whether you like it or not, he will remain Tory leader into the election. So who will you vote for, Cameron, Brown or Clegg (or minor parties?)

'None of the Above'

Scrawled large across my ballot paper.

Makes sod all difference either way in my consituency.

[968]

V8mate said:

968 said:

V8mate said:

968 said:

V8mate said:

Rocksteadyeddie said:

V8mate said:

I can't believe how many of you think that an ability to learn a few lines makes him a great orator/public speaker/communicator.

(Repeating myself) If you really want to see how inept he is at communicating when he hasn't been briefed to the hilt, find the 'fly on the wall' TV footage of the Gay Times interview. Epic media fail.

Asked questions to which he hadn't been briefed and prepared - sweating, stuttering, getting annoyed. He's no statesman.

Subscription only. What a surprise

Gay Times may well be subscription only. The TV footage, however, was nothing to do with GT - Cameron was being 'followed' by a documentary crew at the same time as that interview was one of his engagements.

Great. So vote labour then.

Tell me what your point is and how you wish to address it? To be honest I'm not sure what you expect to happen. Cameron is going to be the leader until the election, so you'd better live with it and decide whether you want a change in govt or not.

I'm not sure how your post followed mine and RSE's, but I'll play along.

I'd like to address this issue by setting aside the democratic process, inaugurating a positive dictatorship, (happy to step up the plate), privatising most major functions of state, retaining only a 'fit-for-purpose' military (and border) defence force and a police service with clearly defined parameters of maintaining the enforcement of a considerably minimised statute book.

You'll have to forgive the lack of detail; I don't have time this morning to rattle off a full manifesto.

Well, you did ask.

I don't think you get it.

This is the real world, and right now, you will have to deal with the party leaders you have, along with their manifestos and unstated intentions, ie the philosophy of their parties.

Now tell me, who will you vote for on May 6th? You're bhing about Cameron endlessly, but the bottom line is whether you like it or not, he will remain Tory leader into the election. So who will you vote for, Cameron, Brown or Clegg (or minor parties?)

'None of the Above'

Scrawled large across my ballot paper.

Makes sod all difference either way in my consituency.

Fantastic.

[Tangent Police]

Whoever you vote for:-

They are all socialists to various degrees.

They seek regulation and to extend their remit.

They are pro the expensive EU project.

The will not make the cuts required to sort the country out.

The IMF are coming. It's only a matter of when.

Really, your vote is merely something which gives you a little bit of feeling like you actually make a difference, that you actually contribute to the selection and direction of a leader.

The reality is European Totalitarian Socialism. You vote for any of them and this is what you'll get. You can listen to their vote grabbing crap like "Socialist Workers Party oppose the incinerator at the end of my street" or "They will cut left handed lesbians tax".

The bottom line with this fricking song and dance is the people who get in are those most likely to do what it takes to get the country back on it's feet and functioning. Make the adjustments to regulation and public spending in order to facilitate growth.

None of them are going to do it, so we might as well go and weed the garden until the IMF arrive.

They are all social democrats and you get to choose between the set of pricks who get to feather their nests the most.

We need a "Guy Fawkes" protest party.

[V8mate]

968 said:

V8mate said:

968 said:

V8mate said:

968 said:

V8mate said:

Rocksteadyeddie said:

V8mate said:

I can't believe how many of you think that an ability to learn a few lines makes him a great orator/public speaker/communicator.

(Repeating myself) If you really want to see how inept he is at communicating when he hasn't been briefed to the hilt, find the 'fly on the wall' TV footage of the Gay Times interview. Epic media fail.

Asked questions to which he hadn't been briefed and prepared - sweating, stuttering, getting annoyed. He's no statesman.

Subscription only. What a surprise

Gay Times may well be subscription only. The TV footage, however, was nothing to do with GT - Cameron was being 'followed' by a documentary crew at the same time as that interview was one of his engagements.

Great. So vote labour then.

Tell me what your point is and how you wish to address it? To be honest I'm not sure what you expect to happen. Cameron is going to be the leader until the election, so you'd better live with it and decide whether you want a change in govt or not.

I'm not sure how your post followed mine and RSE's, but I'll play along.

I'd like to address this issue by setting aside the democratic process, inaugurating a positive dictatorship, (happy to step up the plate), privatising most major functions of state, retaining only a 'fit-for-purpose' military (and border) defence force and a police service with clearly defined parameters of maintaining the enforcement of a considerably minimised statute book.

You'll have to forgive the lack of detail; I don't have time this morning to rattle off a full manifesto.

Well, you did ask.

I don't think you get it.

This is the real world, and right now, you will have to deal with the party leaders you have, along with their manifestos and unstated intentions, ie the philosophy of their parties.

Now tell me, who will you vote for on May 6th? You're bhing about Cameron endlessly, but the bottom line is whether you like it or not, he will remain Tory leader into the election. So who will you vote for, Cameron, Brown or Clegg (or minor parties?)

'None of the Above'

Scrawled large across my ballot paper.

Makes sod all difference either way in my consituency.

Fantastic.

Because I refuse to follow the crowd?

FYIWDWYTM.

[968]

GT03ROB said:

Don't worry I'll be voting Tory, however the problem is it's not me that needs to be convinced!

It's the floaters out there or the labour voters that need to vote Tory if Cameron is to get in that need to be convinced & to me Cameron is not doing enough to convince them.

I think you're right, they do need to step up their campaign. My feeling is it hasn't focussed on the negatives of Labour/Lib Dem enough. Perhaps they think that negative electioneering could turn opinion against them. However, it needs to be said and will probably be responded to by a large amount of the country, however you could argue that those people who respond to that would vote Tory anyway.

[968]

V8mate said:

Because I refuse to follow the crowd?

FYIWDWYTM.

Follow the crowd? Or perhaps partake in the political process to try and change things?

[Funk]

I thought Hague did quite well on the Foreign Secretary Debate yesterday.

Miliband played a dangerous game stirring up st with China in the middle of an election. A very stupid thing to do, especially as he mis-quoted Cameron (although Cameron's original comment last week wasn't too clever either, no matter how concerned we should or shouldn't be about China becoming the world's no.1 superpower).

Edited by Funk on Tuesday 20th April 12:06

[V8mate]

968 said:

V8mate said:

Because I refuse to follow the crowd?

FYIWDWYTM.

Follow the crowd? Or perhaps partake in the political process to try and change things?

My constituency has as a Lib Dem MP with a large majority and an outstanding local profile. He's going no-where.

Which allows me to follow my conscience with, well, a clear conscience.

[Halb]

madbadger said:

Conservatives are the slap around the face party. Labour the kick in the nuts party. CMD is only marginally more appealing but some people will also be voting for the Liberal 'poke in the eye party' to avoid the kick in the nuts.

Some people just like being kicked in the nuts.

Best political analogy so far.
Amazing how we can agonize over whether we wish to be kicked inna nuts, slapped inna face or poked in the eye.

[F i F]

Points at many F i F posts over the last 12 months or so

F i F said:

Brown and Cameron = dead men walking, both of them.

I still can't believe people are so stupid that it boils down to a personality contest. Nick Sodding Clegg ffs!! Read all their policies people, the three main parties are all unelectable, especially the Lib Dems.

We might as well sink to a Big Bang Theory contest.

Sheldon said:

Scissors cuts paper, paper covers rock, rock crushes lizard, lizard poisons Spock, Spock smashes scissors, scissors decapitates lizard, lizard eats paper, paper disproves Spock, Spock vaporizes rock, and as it always has, rock crushes scissors.

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F i F said:

I still can't believe people are so stupid that it boils down to a personality contest. Nick Sodding Clegg ffs!! Read all their policies people, the three main parties are all unelectable, especially the Lib Dems.

That's how it's always been.

The Tories stated policies certainly withhold a lot of what they will actually do, but I think that's mainly as it's so unpalatable to the electorate.

[Bing o]

968 said:

V8mate said:

Because I refuse to follow the crowd?

FYIWDWYTM.

Follow the crowd? Or perhaps partake in the political process to try and change things?

How is maintaining the status quo changing things?