Obama; France is the USA's Strongest Ally

[Bing o]

Shay HTFC said:

Getting friendly with France gets the US directly involved with the EU and a fully committed EU member.

What a politically astute time to get cosy with the EU.









(Right before it goes bankrupt and splits into civil war).

[davepoth]

Wind it back a bit. France has been trimming back its armed forces too. I don't think anyone noticed though. Look at this:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_a...

but when we do the same all hell breaks loose in Washington:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/24/world/europe/24a...

I'm sure Obama recognises the importance of the UK in turning the USA's expeditions into multilateral affairs, but I can see that if what he believes happened to his grandad did actually happen, he would be rightly a bit stand-offish.

[Bing o]

davepoth said:

Wind it back a bit. France has been trimming back its armed forces too. I don't think anyone noticed though. Look at this:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_a...

but when we do the same all hell breaks loose in Washington:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/24/world/europe/24a...

I'm sure Obama recognises the importance of the UK in turning the USA's expeditions into multilateral affairs, but I can see that if what he believes happened to his grandad did actually happen, he would be rightly a bit stand-offish.

Oh good, can we go back to hating teh Yanks for the War of Independence, or making us split up our Empire after WWII, or producing Friends?

[Globs]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Fact is, France is a fully committed member of the EU and Euro.

Funny how the French voted against the Lisbon constitution/treaty then isn't it?

They didn't get a vote on the euro.

The french I have spoken to all hate the EU with a passion, and think little of the euro.

[Ordinary_Chap]

Globs said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Fact is, France is a fully committed member of the EU and Euro.

Funny how the French voted against the Lisbon constitution/treaty then isn't it?

They didn't get a vote on the euro.

The french I have spoken to all hate the EU with a passion, and think little of the euro.

Most european folk I talk too on a daily basis seem to hate the euro. I'm yet to see anyone say anything good about it.

The only good thing about European politics is Nigel Farages highly amusing rants....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gm9q8uabTs

[Muntu]

Shay HTFC said:

It was a Daily Mail story designed with nothing in mind other than to stir up a frenzy among its unfortunate readers.

That's a relief, I thought that it was a true story...

[wolves_wanderer]

Pesty said:

One of the first acts Obama did was remove a Winston Churchil bust from the white House. I get the impression he hates Britain

Probably, but he'll be gone in 2 years anyway so hey-ho.

[Globs]

Ordinary_Chap said:

Globs said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Fact is, France is a fully committed member of the EU and Euro.

Funny how the French voted against the Lisbon constitution/treaty then isn't it?

They didn't get a vote on the euro.

The french I have spoken to all hate the EU with a passion, and think little of the euro.

Most european folk I talk too on a daily basis seem to hate the euro. I'm yet to see anyone say anything good about it.

The only good thing about European politics is Nigel Farages highly amusing rants....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gm9q8uabTs

Good God yes, the way he tears into them is awesome. I'm so glad we have at least one elected person to be on the side of England. We could do with rather more UKIP MEPs and in an election that saw a loony green elected it was a travesty that people voted for Bercrow ahead of Farage.

It's a shame our tax system does not allow the insane voters to pay for all of their choices mistakes. That would change voting dramatically - no more socialists!

[Kermit power]

Globs said:

Good God yes, the way he tears into them is awesome. I'm so glad we have at least one elected person to be on the side of England. We could do with rather more UKIP MEPs and in an election that saw a loony green elected it was a travesty that people voted for Bercrow ahead of Farage.

If you think that's annoying, look at the number of idiots who voted for UKIP in marginal seats!

I can't remember the exact details, but there were more seats where Conservative candidates came second by less than the number of votes wasted on UKIP candidates than would've been needed to give them an outright majority.

As a result, we've got coalition government, which means being all nice and touchy-feely over benefit cuts and the like.

Well done UKIP voters!

[Tsippy]

Kermit power said:

Globs said:

Good God yes, the way he tears into them is awesome. I'm so glad we have at least one elected person to be on the side of England. We could do with rather more UKIP MEPs and in an election that saw a loony green elected it was a travesty that people voted for Bercrow ahead of Farage.

If you think that's annoying, look at the number of idiots who voted for UKIP in marginal seats!

I can't remember the exact details, but there were more seats where Conservative candidates came second by less than the number of votes wasted on UKIP candidates than would've been needed to give them an outright majority.

As a result, we've got coalition government, which means being all nice and touchy-feely over benefit cuts and the like.

Well done UKIP voters!

Or blame the Tories for not providing an attractive alternative to Labour

[The Black Flash]

Kermit power said:

Globs said:

Good God yes, the way he tears into them is awesome. I'm so glad we have at least one elected person to be on the side of England. We could do with rather more UKIP MEPs and in an election that saw a loony green elected it was a travesty that people voted for Bercrow ahead of Farage.

If you think that's annoying, look at the number of idiots who voted for UKIP in marginal seats!

I can't remember the exact details, but there were more seats where Conservative candidates came second by less than the number of votes wasted on UKIP candidates than would've been needed to give them an outright majority.

As a result, we've got coalition government, which means being all nice and touchy-feely over benefit cuts and the like.

Well done UKIP voters!

This again? All Cameron had to do was to promise a referendum on the EU, and UKIP would have withdrawn its candidates from those seats.
Fact is, Cameron alienated the eurosceptic vote, and he's paid the price. If you stand against a section of voters, they aint going to vote for you. Serves the lot of them right.

[Kermit power]

The Black Flash said:

Kermit power said:

Globs said:

Good God yes, the way he tears into them is awesome. I'm so glad we have at least one elected person to be on the side of England. We could do with rather more UKIP MEPs and in an election that saw a loony green elected it was a travesty that people voted for Bercrow ahead of Farage.

If you think that's annoying, look at the number of idiots who voted for UKIP in marginal seats!

I can't remember the exact details, but there were more seats where Conservative candidates came second by less than the number of votes wasted on UKIP candidates than would've been needed to give them an outright majority.

As a result, we've got coalition government, which means being all nice and touchy-feely over benefit cuts and the like.

Well done UKIP voters!

This again? All Cameron had to do was to promise a referendum on the EU, and UKIP would have withdrawn its candidates from those seats.
Fact is, Cameron alienated the eurosceptic vote, and he's paid the price. If you stand against a section of voters, they aint going to vote for you. Serves the lot of them right.

Mmm... That's nice and easy, isn't it! We'll just promise a referendum on undoing 35 years of treaties, agreements and everything else to appease a few Daily Mail-reading nutters!

Meanwhile, in the world of reality, UKIP haven't got the faintest idea of what they'd ever actually do if they won an election, and the country gets fked over as a result.

[Ozzie Osmond]

Kermit power said:

Mmm... That's nice and easy, isn't it! We'll just promise a referendum on undoing 35 years of treaties, agreements and everything else to appease a few Daily Mail-reading nutters!

Meanwhile, in the world of reality, UKIP haven't got the faintest idea of what they'd ever actually do if they won an election, and the country gets fked over as a result.

^^^^^^ Nicely put.

[Globs]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Kermit power said:

Mmm... That's nice and easy, isn't it! We'll just promise a referendum on undoing 35 years of treaties, agreements and everything else to appease a few Daily Mail-reading nutters!

Meanwhile, in the world of reality, UKIP haven't got the faintest idea of what they'd ever actually do if they won an election, and the country gets fked over as a result.

^^^^^^ Nicely put.

Badly put, because the UKIP manifesto is easily readable on their website and in fact goes into great detail about EXACTLY what they would do. In fact the only party to seriously address the massive deficit and debt was UKIP. The coalition haven't got the faintest idea - you can see that by the spending increase this year over last.

As for Kermit, you chastise UKIP for promising a referendum - do you forget that NuLabour and the Tories also promised a referendum? Are you say they are nutters because they were not lying about it?

And look at the country being fked over, first by NuLabour and now by the Tories and LibDems. Liberal Democrat - an ironic name for a party who are neither liberal or a friend of democracy.

[1A]

Kermit power said:

Mmm... That's nice and easy, isn't it! We'll just promise a referendum on undoing 35 years of treaties, agreements and everything else to appease half the population!

• EFA, see link below:

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/43617/almost-half-...

[Globs]

The Black Flash said:

Kermit power said:

If you think that's annoying, look at the number of idiots who voted for UKIP in marginal seats!

I can't remember the exact details, but there were more seats where Conservative candidates came second by less than the number of votes wasted on UKIP candidates than would've been needed to give them an outright majority.

As a result, we've got coalition government, which means being all nice and touchy-feely over benefit cuts and the like.

Well done UKIP voters!

This again? All Cameron had to do was to promise a referendum on the EU, and UKIP would have withdrawn its candidates from those seats.
Fact is, Cameron alienated the eurosceptic vote, and he's paid the price. If you stand against a section of voters, they aint going to vote for you. Serves the lot of them right.

I followed this election closely and lets face it, the conservatives could have walked this election by standing for England. It was clear that 'Cast Iron Dave' was a europhile and would march us into EUSSR fascism that all the smart people voted UKIP.

[Frankeh]

I can't really decide if being the USA's right hand man is that good any more considering the way the USA acts.
Maybe we should be distancing ourself from the 'special relationship' so we don't have to keep bending over in the name of pleasing the US.

[Kermit power]

Globs said:

Ozzie Osmond said:

Kermit power said:

Mmm... That's nice and easy, isn't it! We'll just promise a referendum on undoing 35 years of treaties, agreements and everything else to appease a few Daily Mail-reading nutters!

Meanwhile, in the world of reality, UKIP haven't got the faintest idea of what they'd ever actually do if they won an election, and the country gets fked over as a result.

^^^^^^ Nicely put.

Badly put, because the UKIP manifesto is easily readable on their website and in fact goes into great detail about EXACTLY what they would do. In fact the only party to seriously address the massive deficit and debt was UKIP. The coalition haven't got the faintest idea - you can see that by the spending increase this year over last.

Oh I'm fully aware that they have a manifesto. I could write a manifesto saying that I would deliver fairy cakes with little envelopes containing £50k each in the middle of them, and have just as much idea of how I would actually implement my manifesto as UKIP have of how they would implement theirs. I challenge you to actually find anything anywhere which shows how it would all be implemented and paid for. If you can, you're clearly a better Googler than I am, because I've tried and failed!

From what I can see, the whole thing is complete fantasy designed to make people vote for them without so much as a single thought of how any of it could ever be made to happen. The Lib Dems have already started to experience some "but we never thought we'd actually be in power" backlash, but that's nothing compared to what UKIP would've been hit with. The surest way to see the complete and utter destruction of UKIP would be for them to actually win a general election and try and implement their fantasy.

Globs said:

As for Kermit, you chastise UKIP for promising a referendum - do you forget that NuLabour and the Tories also promised a referendum? Are you say they are nutters because they were not lying about it?

When have Labour or the Conservatives promised a referendum on remaining within the EU?

Blair promised a referendum over the Lisbon treaty then weaseled his way out of it over changes made after Ireland said no by claiming it was no longer of constitutional significance. This reinforces the fact that Blair is a regardless of which side of the referendum you might've found yourself on.

Cameron also promised a referendum on the Lisbon treaty, but couldn't deliver this as the treaty had already been signed into law by the time he took power.

I assume you're not referring to either of these as a promise for a referendum to stay in the EU?

Globs said:

And look at the country being fked over, first by NuLabour and now by the Tories and LibDems. Liberal Democrat - an ironic name for a party who are neither liberal or a friend of democracy.

How exactly is the coalition fking the country over at the moment?

[Mojocvh]

Not going far enough in the right direction, having two europhiles as leaders, and not putting the UK and it's people at the forefront of EVERY policy.

[Globs]

Kermit power said:

some anti UKIP stuff

I suggest you read the finance section of their manifesto, which you have clearly failed to do. You also should read data from The Taxpayers Alliance because that's where the saving would be coming from, in addition to leaving the EU.

If you keep claiming they haven't got a clue then you make yourself ridiculous, they have laid out the savings in bold figures, saving IIRC £70bn in the first year alone.

Kermit power said:

How exactly is the coalition fking the country over at the moment?

By pushing us more deeply into the anti-democratic EU, giving our farming and fishing rights away, and lots of our money. Spending from us to the EU just WENT UP 2.9%. WTF?? Oh and we did not get our referendum on Lisbon, so we are forced to pay for a foreign militia and a foreign president. Van Pompuy and Ashton - did you vote for them?

By failing to make cuts that are needed. Plenty of useless quangos still exist, plenty of useless public sector jobs un-cut. By GDP our public sector is 58%, enough to swamp and bankrupt us (as is happening). Compare that to China - 28% by GDP. Yes, our state is even bigger than Communist China's. This is an EPIC FAIL.

By failing to make 'getting a job' a valid career option for most on benefits. Epic Fail.
By failing to reform the NHS by putting doctors in charge. Same with the MOD, the number of non soldiers and non doctors/nurses is a disgrace, we should take a lesson from Estonia.

I could go on.