The EU v UK vaccine tussle
Discussion
Vanden Saab said:
But the Eu countries described the UK as reckless and putting lives at risk by extending the second dose to 12 weeks. It will be very difficult to row back from that stance...
They already have, most countries have following the real world results UK found based on solid scientific reasoning and proof.amusingduck said:
EU’s Covid Vaccine Export Curbs Ensnare Other Shots in Italy
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-29...
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-29...
bloomberg said:
Italy’s customs agency is holding up a shipment of GlaxoSmithKline Plc meningitis vaccine and plans to test its contents amid growing suspicion that drugmakers may try to export coronavirus vaccine batches out of the European Union.
The shipment, worth about $10 million, has been sitting at Rome’s airport awaiting testing for about a week, according to two people familiar with the matter who declined to be identified. Glaxo confirmed the delay, saying the semi-finished batch was bound for its production site in Marietta, Pennsylvania.
The incident comes as the EU threatens to halt vaccine exports if their manufacturers don’t deliver the doses pledged to the 27-nation bloc’s immunization campaign. Glaxo doesn’t produce any approved vaccines for Covid-19, however, and its blocked shipment may turn out to be collateral damage in an increasingly acrimonious fight over scarce vaccine supplies.
unhinged. The shipment, worth about $10 million, has been sitting at Rome’s airport awaiting testing for about a week, according to two people familiar with the matter who declined to be identified. Glaxo confirmed the delay, saying the semi-finished batch was bound for its production site in Marietta, Pennsylvania.
The incident comes as the EU threatens to halt vaccine exports if their manufacturers don’t deliver the doses pledged to the 27-nation bloc’s immunization campaign. Glaxo doesn’t produce any approved vaccines for Covid-19, however, and its blocked shipment may turn out to be collateral damage in an increasingly acrimonious fight over scarce vaccine supplies.
They are destroying their pharma industry and reputation before our eyes, utter numpties.
NextSlidePlease said:
More good news, not only will the novavax vaccine be made in the UK, GSK will fill and finish it here too, meaning it wont have to travel across the channel for finishing like previously planned and risk being seized by those theiving b
ds on the continent.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/am...
You would have to be completely nuts to allow anything to do with our critical pharma supply to be made in the EU from now on.ds on the continent.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/am...
rover 623gsi said:
I see that many EU leaders are among those signing a new global pandemic treaty
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/glob...
That’s all good but I’m a little concerned that the new ‘nobody is safe till everyone is safe’ mantra just provides the government with an easy excuse to extend, or bring in new, lockdowns
Shouldn’t that quote be ‘none of us are safe until all of you are vaccinated’.https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/glob...
That’s all good but I’m a little concerned that the new ‘nobody is safe till everyone is safe’ mantra just provides the government with an easy excuse to extend, or bring in new, lockdowns
Edit to add, it’s actually more honest if it said, ‘none of us will be safe until we can monitor and control you all’
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 30th March 08:30
isaldiri said:
So irrespective that the government has consistently misrepresented the numbers/data and overexaggerated the risk to the general population especially younger age groups making an absolute hash of public health communication all throughout, we should all just shut up and obey our betters without ever questioning what they say.....?
Take it to the thread this is being discussed day in day out."Countries aren't expecting to get their first Johnson & Johnson doses until the end of April, as the vaccine substance has to be put into vials in the U.S. Washington won't allow the export of those vaccines until the American market is supplied.
Two EU diplomats confirmed that the first shipment of the Johnson & Johnson vaccines is substantially less than what was expected, although the company should meet its obligation to supply the EU with 55 million doses by the end of the second quarter.
If the EU doesn't get any Johnson & Johnson doses for a while, one of those diplomats said Austria could continue to speed ahead of other countries relying more on the American one-shot vaccine to reach their vaccination targets.
“We still haven’t received them,” the diplomat said. “We have seen from past experience all sorts of things can go wrong.”"
Are we going to see UVDL on her podium slagging J&J and the USA off now?
Two EU diplomats confirmed that the first shipment of the Johnson & Johnson vaccines is substantially less than what was expected, although the company should meet its obligation to supply the EU with 55 million doses by the end of the second quarter.
If the EU doesn't get any Johnson & Johnson doses for a while, one of those diplomats said Austria could continue to speed ahead of other countries relying more on the American one-shot vaccine to reach their vaccination targets.
“We still haven’t received them,” the diplomat said. “We have seen from past experience all sorts of things can go wrong.”"
Are we going to see UVDL on her podium slagging J&J and the USA off now?
EddieSteadyGo said:
Each extra week of lockdown adds billions of pounds to the national debt. Hence, it isn't a question of what freedom I personally can't wait for - there are consequences from an overly cautious relaxation. The example of funding nurses pay gets added to the same pile of debt which you seem happy to continue see pile up.
This extra debt will be added to the bad debt from the bailout in 2007/2008 on the Bank of England books and be forgotten about.If it was only the UK doing it, that would be a big problem, as the whole world is doing the same thing, it's net zero and is the new normal. This debt will never be paid down.
RedWhiteMonkey said:
I'm English by birth (and by descent at least as far back as my mother managed the family tree, about 200 years) and live in Germany. I had the first AZ jab nearly two weeks ago over here in Deutschland and I'm not dead (at least not yet). It remains unclear what happens with those who have had the first jab, apparently advice to follow in April. If the situation wasn't so serious it would be quite funny, not sure if Yes Minister or The Thick of It were ever broadcast here.
Well we do know the Germans can fk up on humour, just as they are on vaccines. The massive fail they inflicted on themselves with the VW rename yesterday is hilarious.isaldiri said:
JnJ have also like AZN said they would be selling their vaccine at cost while the pandemic lasts (defined by AZN it seems by july 2021) with both having taken quite a large % of public funds.
The variability in vaccine pricing to different countries suggests 'at cost' is rather flexible though.
Cost to supply in different parts of the world varies shocker.The variability in vaccine pricing to different countries suggests 'at cost' is rather flexible though.
Itsallicanafford said:
^ I could only read that in my head in a thatcher voice.
Watch the full speech, it's on YouTube and is spot on.https://youtu.be/QsT0OzgAfbs
Earthdweller said:
HappyMidget said:
Quoting a post I shared on farcebook 2 years ago
Margaret Thatcher’s prophetic prediction of the Euro’s sorry state:
The growth of extremist parties, mass immigration, and unemployment.
"If the divergence between different European economies is so great that even the ERM cannot contain them, how would those economies react to a single European currency?
The answer is that there would be chaos of the sort which would make the difficulties of recent days pale by comparison.
Huge sums would have to be transferred from richer to poorer countries and regions to allow them to take the strain. Even then unemployment and mass migration across now open frontiers would follow. And a full-fledged Single currency would allow no escape hatch.
The political consequences can already be glimpsed: the growth of extremist parties, battening on fears about mass immigration and unemployment, offering a real — if thoroughly unwelcome — alternative to the Euro-centrist political establishment.
If in addition you were to create a supra-national European federation, and the people could no longer hold their national parliaments to account, extremism could only grow further.
It is time for the European politicians to sit up and take note. Time to stop their endless rounds of summits — summitry is fast becoming a substitute for decision-making — and observe the reality around them.
There is a growing sense of remoteness, an alienation of people from their institutions of government and their political leaders. There is a fear that the European train will thunder forward, laden with its customary cargo of gravy, towards a destination neither wished nor understood by electorates. But the train can be stopped."
_
1992 Sep 19 Sa, Margaret Thatcher.
Speech to CNN World Economic Development Conference.
She wasn’t wrong Margaret Thatcher’s prophetic prediction of the Euro’s sorry state:
The growth of extremist parties, mass immigration, and unemployment.
"If the divergence between different European economies is so great that even the ERM cannot contain them, how would those economies react to a single European currency?
The answer is that there would be chaos of the sort which would make the difficulties of recent days pale by comparison.
Huge sums would have to be transferred from richer to poorer countries and regions to allow them to take the strain. Even then unemployment and mass migration across now open frontiers would follow. And a full-fledged Single currency would allow no escape hatch.
The political consequences can already be glimpsed: the growth of extremist parties, battening on fears about mass immigration and unemployment, offering a real — if thoroughly unwelcome — alternative to the Euro-centrist political establishment.
If in addition you were to create a supra-national European federation, and the people could no longer hold their national parliaments to account, extremism could only grow further.
It is time for the European politicians to sit up and take note. Time to stop their endless rounds of summits — summitry is fast becoming a substitute for decision-making — and observe the reality around them.
There is a growing sense of remoteness, an alienation of people from their institutions of government and their political leaders. There is a fear that the European train will thunder forward, laden with its customary cargo of gravy, towards a destination neither wished nor understood by electorates. But the train can be stopped."
_
1992 Sep 19 Sa, Margaret Thatcher.
Speech to CNN World Economic Development Conference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tetk_ayO1x4
Earthdweller said:
Gargamel said:
when you see that the EU Member states are considering the Sputnik vaccine when
1. It is not approved in the EU bloc
2. Following the Novochok poisonings there are sanctions on dealing with Russia
Then you get a real sense of what a omnishambles the EU response is becoming.
And the Russian Army massing on the eastern Ukraine border.. Sputnik jabs might not be the only thing heading into Europe !1. It is not approved in the EU bloc
2. Following the Novochok poisonings there are sanctions on dealing with Russia
Then you get a real sense of what a omnishambles the EU response is becoming.
Mortarboard said:
elster said:
Yes, the UK gave 21 million to AZ to finance increasing production at the Halix plant. Not linked to orders. It is very different to a downpayment
Suuuuuuure it is. UK just randomly "investing" in plants all over the place then.Again, if there's no retained equity, it's no more an "investment" than the EU cash.
So, yes much more of an investment
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