Article 50 ruling due now
Discussion
hornetrider said:
danny0001uk1 said:
The latest vote suggests it will be a take it or leave it deal on offer when we leave.
Either accept the deal with the EU May negotiates or leave on wto rules.
That's what I understand it to be. Which basically means it's meaningless. Which is all good from my perspective.Either accept the deal with the EU May negotiates or leave on wto rules.
The Government will be pleased with this so far in that it is going the way anyone could have broadly expected on the back of an envelope, namely that the number of Tory rebels is easily outbalanced by 7-10 DUP/UUP, 1xUKIP and 6-7 "hard core" Labour Leavers.
There is question over the granting rights to EU Nationals amendment which might be tighter but on the whole there have been no great surprises and they're going to get the Bill through with no or few amendments.
(BTW you have to admire the LibDems who on the substantive vote last week couldn't even whip 9 MPs to all vote the same way!).
There is question over the granting rights to EU Nationals amendment which might be tighter but on the whole there have been no great surprises and they're going to get the Bill through with no or few amendments.
(BTW you have to admire the LibDems who on the substantive vote last week couldn't even whip 9 MPs to all vote the same way!).
hornetrider said:
turbobloke said:
markcoznottz said:
Some comedy gold today, Alex salmond nearly getting offered outside, Anna Soubery almost crying or is that drunk.
Is this on Beeb iPlayer or similar?! I'd consider watching some non-live BBC output for that. It sounds very entertaining.https://youtu.be/refr7VDQe1E
Salmond was in danger of concussing himself with those jowls and chins flobbing around. Blood pressure must have been impressive, in a bad way.
Deptford Draylons said:
25 years ago today the Maastricht treaty was signed.
Complete with John Major's famous opt-outs... they weren't enough, or were overturned by Blair, so the UK will be shortly exercising the ultimate opt-out. I always consider it a shame Major didn't go to the country in an In/Out referendum in 1992/3. We've had twenty five years of squabbling, both internally and with our European neighbours, ever since.
turbobloke said:
hornetrider said:
turbobloke said:
markcoznottz said:
Some comedy gold today, Alex salmond nearly getting offered outside, Anna Soubery almost crying or is that drunk.
Is this on Beeb iPlayer or similar?! I'd consider watching some non-live BBC output for that. It sounds very entertaining.https://youtu.be/refr7VDQe1E
Salmond was in danger of concussing himself with those jowls and chins flobbing around. Blood pressure must have been impressive, in a bad way.
Andy Zarse said:
Deptford Draylons said:
25 years ago today the Maastricht treaty was signed.
Complete with John Major's famous opt-outs... they weren't enough, or were overturned by Blair, so the UK will be shortly exercising the ultimate opt-out. I always consider it a shame Major didn't go to the country in an In/Out referendum in 1992/3. We've had twenty five years of squabbling, both internally and with our European neighbours, ever since.
IroningMan said:
Amateurish said:
Gargamel said:
Or being overuled by the ECHR, IE British Courts having decisions overturned at ECHR - Abu Qatada sprinds to mind
The Crown wanted him deported to Jordan, he went to ECHR won and was awarded costs !
Our Parliamentary and Judicial sovereignty were thereby diminished.
The ECHR is not the EU. We are not currently leaving the ECHR. The Crown wanted him deported to Jordan, he went to ECHR won and was awarded costs !
Our Parliamentary and Judicial sovereignty were thereby diminished.
The ECHR never impinged on the Sovereignty of the UK.
Membership of the ECHR is a requirement of membership of the EU.
Leaving the EU therefore makes it possible to leave the ECHR, when it was not before.
CrutyRammers said:
Or too complex for some Remainers.
Membership of the ECHR is a requirement of membership of the EU.
Leaving the EU therefore makes it possible to leave the ECHR, when it was not before.
Membership of the ECHR is a requirement of membership of the EU.
Leaving the EU therefore makes it possible to leave the ECHR, when it was not before.
The ECHR is part of the Council of Europe, which we helped set up in 1949.
Our membership of the EU is nothing to do with our membership of the ECHR or our adherence to decisions of the ECHR.
So why post Brexit would we leave it?
Greg66 said:
The ECHR is part of the Council of Europe, which we helped set up in 1949.
Our membership of the EU is nothing to do with our membership of the ECHR or our adherence to decisions of the ECHR.
So why post Brexit would we leave it?
May has proffered the idea of withdrawal from the ECHR more than once when she was Home Secretary, it's reasonable to speculate that she may raise it again. Probably after the next general election if I were to guess.Our membership of the EU is nothing to do with our membership of the ECHR or our adherence to decisions of the ECHR.
So why post Brexit would we leave it?
I understand the idea is to replace it with a UK Human Rights Act, which to me seems more restrictive on the Government than the current set-up, unless I'm missing something.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff