Nasty crash in B’Ham
Discussion
nyxster said:
Speed 3 said:
TooMany2cvs said:
Speed 3 said:
Why the Indie has published this nonsense is beyond me.
It's a contributed comment piece, not the paper's view or opinion, just that of the writer. Many of the papers do 'em.
The piece in the Indie is risible. I guess (aside from partisan propaganda, that the Guardian article might hint at) they were counting on it gaining a high profile and being shared and clicked. So we're the suckers!
As for the content of the article. If people are going to start feigning offence because other people are drug dealers and are being referred to as such that's tough. Don't like it? Don't deal f
king drugs and, perhaps, don't drive like a tt either.The reported comments from the parents, as well as this editorial piece serve up a pretty despicable picture of an almost groupthink mindset denial and false victimhood. The lack of personal responsiblilty, of recognition of civic responsibility and the swiftness to play the victim card all demonstrate the character of the people involved.
As I pointed out earlier in the thread, the public pictures of the bodies on Facebook that I saw (they now appear to have been removed) were posted by an account with an Asian blokes picture and name. One can only assume the motives for posting, but it is not hard to speculate that, since not all Asian Muslims are involved in crime and driving like nutters on the public roads, more than a few of them will be as pissed off about the antics of these criminals as anyone else. The article completely fails to connect with this - it almost tries to draw all Asian Muslims into the collective 'victim of racism' pool when, in fact, it clearly cannot be speaking for all of them.
TooMany2cvs said:
Koofler said:
Apologies for dragging this thread back on course. Looks like the usual community backlash is starting with a woeful piece in the Independent.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/birmingham-car...
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/birmingham-car...
An apologist said:
Jehangir admitted ... possession with intent to supply Class A drugs
Sensationalised media headlines of Kasar’s past convictions, labelling him as nothing more than a drug dealer
Now, it might just be me, but...Sensationalised media headlines of Kasar’s past convictions, labelling him as nothing more than a drug dealer
If he makes money from drugs then he's drug dealer. The conviction just confirms it (especially as admitted the offence)
Digga said:
As for the content of the article. If people are going to start feigning offence because other people are drug dealers and are being referred to as such that's tough. Don't like it? Don't deal fking drugs and, perhaps, don't drive like a tt either.
The reported comments from the parents, as well as this editorial piece serve up a pretty despicable picture of an almost groupthink mindset denial and false victimhood. The lack of personal responsiblilty, of recognition of civic responsibility and the swiftness to play the victim card all demonstrate the character of the people involved.
As I pointed out earlier in the thread, the public pictures of the bodies on Facebook that I saw (they now appear to have been removed) were posted by an account with an Asian blokes picture and name. One can only assume the motives for posting, but it is not hard to speculate that, since not all Asian Muslims are involved in crime and driving like nutters on the public roads, more than a few of them will be as pissed off about the antics of these criminals as anyone else. The article completely fails to connect with this - it almost tries to draw all Asian Muslims into the collective 'victim of racism' pool when, in fact, it clearly cannot be speaking for all of them.
This video from the family of one of those in the Audi along with subsequent comments is illuminating and should be shown more widely to explain the insular mindset and total disdain for those not within that community which is causing so many problems in our wider society, yet which we are not allowed to speak about lest we be labelled racists or "islamophobes":king drugs and, perhaps, don't drive like a tt either.The reported comments from the parents, as well as this editorial piece serve up a pretty despicable picture of an almost groupthink mindset denial and false victimhood. The lack of personal responsiblilty, of recognition of civic responsibility and the swiftness to play the victim card all demonstrate the character of the people involved.
As I pointed out earlier in the thread, the public pictures of the bodies on Facebook that I saw (they now appear to have been removed) were posted by an account with an Asian blokes picture and name. One can only assume the motives for posting, but it is not hard to speculate that, since not all Asian Muslims are involved in crime and driving like nutters on the public roads, more than a few of them will be as pissed off about the antics of these criminals as anyone else. The article completely fails to connect with this - it almost tries to draw all Asian Muslims into the collective 'victim of racism' pool when, in fact, it clearly cannot be speaking for all of them.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=460723...
A lot of grief for the four "brothers" yet not a single mention of Lucy Davis and Lee Jenkins, total denial of the likely causal factors, wilfull ignorance of the criminal actions of at least one and a conflation of criticism with their actions to the wider bogeyman of "islamophobia".
Truly deeply worrying.
Edited by Herr Schnell on Friday 22 December 09:59
Herr Schnell said:
This video from the family of one of those in the Audi along with subsequent comments is illuminating and should be shown more widely to explain the insular mindset and total disdain for those not within that community which is causing so many problems in our wider society, yet which we are not allowed to speak about lest we be labelled racists or "islamophobes":
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=460723...
A lot of grief for the four "brothers" yet not a single mention of Lucy Davis and Lee Jenkins, total denial of the likely causal factors, wilfull ignorance of the criminal actions of at least one and a conflation of criticism with their actions to the wider bogeyman of "islamophobia".
Truly deeply worrying.
If someone were wanting to talk about racism, right there in that video it's stating you in the face; as you say, not a single mention of the passengers in the taxi.https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=460723...
A lot of grief for the four "brothers" yet not a single mention of Lucy Davis and Lee Jenkins, total denial of the likely causal factors, wilfull ignorance of the criminal actions of at least one and a conflation of criticism with their actions to the wider bogeyman of "islamophobia".
Truly deeply worrying.
Also, having seen the pictures he was talking about, his use of "anyone with half a brain" scores 13/10 on the irony meter.
Digga said:
f someone were wanting to talk about racism, right there in that video it's stating you in the face; as you say, not a single mention of the passengers in the taxi.
Also, having seen the pictures he was talking about, his use of "anyone with half a brain" scores 13/10 on the irony meter.
The thousands of comments are equally as depressing.Also, having seen the pictures he was talking about, his use of "anyone with half a brain" scores 13/10 on the irony meter.
While one woman challenges the lack of empathy for the non muslim victims she is shouted down by a large mob and then it's back to business as usual with condolences for the "brothers" alone and encouragement to ignore the inconvenient truths about dangerous driving and drug convictions.
I use the stretch of road where the collision occurred daily to commute and then up through the surrounding areas out to the shires, based on what I see at rush hour I gave up driving in after hours a long time ago. Following the deaths I blithely hoped this might finally have some impact and standards might improve, even if only temporarily,
I was disabused of that hope by Wednesday when I saw a Golf R full of young men of similar appearance carving through the gridlock at ridiculous pace before running a solid red on Belgrave Middleway causing a bus to take evasive action.
What hope is there of changing behaviour when a tragedy like this makes no impact, attitudes shown in the video / comments are so deeply entrenched and the perpetrators see themselves so squarely as victims?
Herr Schnell said:
I was disabused of that hope by Wednesday when I saw a Golf R full of young men of similar appearance carving through the gridlock at ridiculous pace before running a solid red on Belgrave Middleway causing a bus to take evasive action.
One of my mates is a joiner and is often working in the city. He drives one of those big, high-roof, long-wheelbase vans - not the sort of thing you'd try to carve up if you had any sense, because, even if the occupants weren't suitably daunting, the ability of the van to take evasive action is severely limited. As you say, these idiots don't even seem to think about consequences - my mate's refined the art of detecting and avoiding the suicide drivers to a fine art.Herr Schnell said:
This video from the family of one of those in the Audi along with subsequent comments is illuminating and should be shown more widely to explain the insular mindset and total disdain for those not within that community which is causing so many problems in our wider society, yet which we are not allowed to speak about lest we be labelled racists or "islamophobes":
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=460723...
A lot of grief for the four "brothers" yet not a single mention of Lucy Davis and Lee Jenkins, total denial of the likely causal factors, wilfull ignorance of the criminal actions of at least one and a conflation of criticism with their actions to the wider bogeyman of "islamophobia".
Truly deeply worrying.
is this response/attitude any different to that had they been a bunch of white toerags ? some years ago near me a piece of utter scum crashed and killed a mother and child(similar circumstances, grossly inappropriate speed in a 30 zone). had been on the piss all night and taking drugs. subsequently the family of those killed received threats from his mates after they began a campaign for a severe sentence.https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=460723...
A lot of grief for the four "brothers" yet not a single mention of Lucy Davis and Lee Jenkins, total denial of the likely causal factors, wilfull ignorance of the criminal actions of at least one and a conflation of criticism with their actions to the wider bogeyman of "islamophobia".
Truly deeply worrying.
Edited by Herr Schnell on Friday 22 December 09:59
another clown that was on the losing end of a fight he started stole a car while drunk and deliberately ran over and killed the bloke he lost the fight with. i see the exact same response and attitude in the lower echelons in various demographics , it certainly isn't a muslim only issue, nor would i suggest more prevalent in that community.
But you'd think that the community that preaches all good, peace, living to a strict yet righteous code of ethics, and demand that everyone accommodates these beliefs, should be held to those ethics yet they all close ranks, shut down and if any criticism is aimed their way they play the victim of every ism going.
Yeah, other scrotes are the same or worse, there always will be, but they don't pretend to be anything else.
Yeah, other scrotes are the same or worse, there always will be, but they don't pretend to be anything else.
It's like those Facebook commenters are living in a bubble all of their own. Their lack of giving a fk for the people killed in the taxi is indicative of their totally insular approach.
Bravo for the few people on there trying to ask for a bit of balance, one even related to one of the S3 trio?
k for the people killed in the taxi is indicative of their totally insular approach.Bravo for the few people on there trying to ask for a bit of balance, one even related to one of the S3 trio?
Henners said:
Does this mean 'ah well it was going to happen, it was written, meh'.
It's ok, Stewardess, I can speak "moron". It roughly translates to "I am an uneducated
, who knows fk all about fk all, but will continue to live like a and treat everyone else like a , because that is all I know and no one ever stops me, or kicks me in my fking stupid face, for being such a stupid, thick ".HTH
andymc said:
is dealing drugs not a huge contradiction to Islam?
I expect so given ibuprofen is illegal in dubai. So its quite ironic the indy publishing that nonsensical dindu rubbish given the punishment for dealing heroin in Saudi Arabia is public execution. Their wahabist sponsors would be doing a lot more than assassinating his character if they caught him with a kilo of smack...andymc said:
is dealing drugs not a huge contradiction to Islam?
Apparently not seeing as the Islamic Republic of Pakistan has the highest per capita number of heroin addicts in the world and the trade has been used for years by Islamist groups as a major source of funding.http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/08/17/heroin-and-jih...
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