The U.S.A. Mass Shootings Thread

[captain_cynic]

vaud said:

captain_cynic said:

I didn't meant that to come across as having a go at you BTW,

I didn't take it that way

I'm as frustrated as many Americans. I lived there for a while (CA) and have visited many times. Nearly moved back in 2015. Aside from the costs of living in San Francisco, the debate about guns was a factor in not taking up the role.

Having a young child at the time I didn't want lockdown drills to be part of her education. I am not anti-gun (I shoot clay pigeons, have had air-rifles and shot at local competition level) but am pro-controls.

And this is the thing, gun control is not gun bans. Never have been. Australia give the average gun nut a raging hate boner because it has effective gun control that works. However you can still own a gun, there are just rules about keeping and registering them.

If the US wanted to see a significant drop in gun deaths, one of the key things they could do is store guns safely and securely. This means unloaded and locked away in a safe. You'd see at least a small drop in gun related homicides but a huge drop in accidental shootings.

Unfortunately this requires an attitude change as well as a legal one.

[FourWheelDrift]

Someone needs to put forward a very dull and not very interesting law that very few if anyone at all would be interested in or read, something about not being allowed to force feed ducks grapes with a tiny small print clause saying "oh and the removal of the 2nd amendment".

[jimmyjimjim]

FourWheelDrift said:

Someone needs to put forward a very dull and not very interesting law that very few if anyone at all would be interested in or read, something about not being allowed to force feed ducks grapes with a tiny small print clause saying "oh and the removal of the 2nd amendment".

Good try.
Unfortunately, the reason most sensible gun control legislation gets blocked by the Republicans automatically is that it it is almost always this kind of attempt, in that it includes (paraphrasing):
1. A bill to include background checks for all firearms sales between all parties involved. Acceptable to all parties.
Addendum 2. The bill also includes legislation requiring a background check if you want to loan a gun to your neighbor who wants to go duck shooting. Not acceptable to the Republicans(see current attempt).
Addendum 1,284. The bill also includes legislation to ban all ammunition sales to anyone not in the government.
Addendum 1,285. Ban all assault rifle sales. Assault rifle defined as any weapon that includes a method of holding it with two hands.
These are usually tacked on by someone (from either party) wanting to kill the legislation as these will be automatic reasons for the Republicans to block it.

This happens with more than just gun control; politicians of both sides will tack on an amendment that is unacceptable to one party in order to stall it, or block it.

The result is that only something very simple AND with broad support will make it forward. Even that last attempt was doomed to failure as it didn't include sufficient provision for temporary loans.

It's not as simple as you think, without a substantial majority. Even with one, stalling tactics work a lot of the time.

[QJumper]

captain_cynic said:

If the US wanted to see a significant drop in gun deaths, one of the key things they could do is store guns safely and securely. This means unloaded and locked away in a safe. You'd see at least a small drop in gun related homicides but a huge drop in accidental shootings.

As they do in Switzerland, where most households have guns, but they don't go round routinely shooting each other.

Part of the problem is the framing of the argument, where the gun lobby frame it as freedom to own and gun, and that gun controls are a restrction on freedom.

In my view the opposite is true, in that gun control allows me to live in society free from the need to own a gun, and that widespread gun ownership removes that freedom from me.

In other words, if you own a gun because you feel you need it for personal protection, then it's a need and not a want, and therefore not a freedom.

[Caddyshack]

captain_cynic said:

Blib said:

Kowalski655 said:

captain_cynic said:

That's no excuse for not starting.

61 years ago JFK said " We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard", time for some similar sentiments about guns

And, look what happened to him.....

Are you suggesting Kowalski's about to get bumped off by the CIA?

Well, he hasn’t posted since!!!!

[Gary C]

Haven't read this thread since October

So whats that, 100 dead ?

[jimmyjimjim]

Per day.

[Voldemort]

Gary C said:

Haven't read this thread since October

So whats that, 100 dead ?

Good guess! 116 since 1 Oct to date https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootin...

[Gary C]

Voldemort said:

Gary C said:

Haven't read this thread since October

So whats that, 100 dead ?

Good guess! 116 since 1 Oct to date https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootin...

That's depressing.

I though I was being over dramatic.

[Caddyshack]

Gary C said:

Voldemort said:

Gary C said:

Haven't read this thread since October

So whats that, 100 dead ?

Good guess! 116 since 1 Oct to date https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootin...

That's depressing.

I though I was being over dramatic.

I guess the number doesn’t register much when you think of how many people die in road accidents, suicide, booze related illness, drug deaths etc….

[Byker28i]

Powerful new ad from Mothers Against Gregg Abbott pointing out the #1 killer of children in the US are guns

https://twitter.com/i/status/1735347027809321439

[Byker28i]

Meanwhile the US Spreme Court has upheld Illinois assault weapon ban that was challenged
https://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/12...

The high court order followed a November decision from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit preliminarily upholding the ban against a Second Amendment challenge

https://www.lawdork.com/p/scotus-allows-illinois-a...

[Byker28i]

California appeals court upholds ban of carrying guns in public places.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-appeals-court-all...

[Byker28i]

New gun laws in the US as of yesterday
• Californians will be barred from carrying guns in most public places
• Washington State is expanding its 10-day waiting period to purchases of all guns
• Illinois is banning high-powered semiautomatic rifles and high-capacity magazines
• Colorado is banning ghost guns

[gotoPzero]

As usual the devil is in the detail.

[TGCOTF-dewey]

I'll give it a week before someone is selling a conjoined 3 mag option with internal switch over that is technically, and thus legally, 3 small capacity magazines.

Thus offering the same freedom dealing fire rate of one large capacity mag.

[Alickadoo]

Voldemort said:

Good guess! 116 since 1 Oct to date https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootin...

If you are thinking of moving to the USA.
1. Live away from the coast.
2. Live in a state which has straight boundaries. Rectangular, if possible.

[Voldemort]

School shootings:

Thurston High School
Columbine High School
Heritage High School
Deming Middle School
Fort Gibson Middle School
Buell Elementary School
Lake Worth Middle School
University of Arkansas
Junipero Serra High School
Santana High School
Bishop Neumann High School
Pacific Lutheran University
Granite Hills High School
Lew Wallace High School
Martin Luther King, Jr High School
Appalachian School of Law
Washington High School
Conception Abbey
Benjamin Tasker Middle School
University of Arizona
Lincoln High School
John McDonogh High School
Red Lion Area Junior High School
Case Western Reserve University
Rocori High School
Ballou High School
Randallstown High School
Bowen High School
Red Lake Senior High School
Harlan Community Academy High School
Campbell County High School
Milwee Middle School
Roseburg High School
Pine Middle School
Essex Elementary School
Duquesne University
Platte Canyon High School
Weston High School
West Nickel Mines School
Joplin Memorial Middle School
Henry Foss High School
Compton Centennial High School
Virginia Tech
Success Tech Academy
Miami Carol City Senior High School
Hamilton High School
Louisiana Technical College
Mitchell High School
EO Green Junior High School
Northern Illinois University
Lakota Middle School
Knoxville Central High School
Willoughby South High School
Henry Ford High School
University of Central Arkansas
Dillard High School
Dunbar High School
Hampton University
Harvard College
Larose-Cut Off Middle School
International Studies Academy
Skyline College
Discovery Middle School
University of Alabama
DeKalb School
Deer Creek Middle School
Ohio State University
Mumford High School
University of Texas
Kelly Elementary School
Marinette High School
Aurora Central High School
Millard South High School
Martinsville West Middle School
Worthing High School
Millard South High School
Highlands Intermediate School
Cape Fear High School
Chardon High School
Episcopal School of Jacksonville
Oikos University
Hamilton High School
Perry Hall School
Normal Community High School
University of South Alabama
Banner Academy South
University of Southern California
Sandy Hook Elementary School
Apostolic Revival Center Christian School
Taft Union High School
Osborn High School
Stevens Institute of Business and Arts
Hazard Community and Technical College
Chicago State University
Lone Star College-North
Cesar Chavez High School
Price Middle School
University of Central Florida
New River Community College
Grambling State University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School
Ronald E McNair Discovery Academy
North Panola High School
Carver High School
Agape Christian Academy
Sparks Middle School
North Carolina A&T State University
Stephenson High School
Brashear High School
West Orange High School
Arapahoe High School
Edison High School
Liberty Technology Magnet High School
Hillhouse High School
Berrendo Middle School
Purdue University
South Carolina State University
Los Angeles Valley College
Charles F Brush High School
University of Southern California
Georgia Regents University
Academy of Knowledge Preschool
Benjamin Banneker High School
D H Conley High School
East English Village Preparatory Academy
Paine College
Georgia Gwinnett College
John F Kennedy High School
Seattle Pacific University
Reynolds High School
Indiana State University
Albemarle High School
Fern Creek Traditional High School
Langston Hughes High School
Marysville Pilchuck High School
Florida State University
Miami Carol City High School
Rogers State University
Rosemary Anderson High School
Wisconsin Lutheran High School
Frederick High School
Tenaya Middle School
Bethune-Cookman University
Pershing Elementary School
Wayne Community College
JB Martin Middle School
Southwestern Classical Academy
Savannah State University
Harrisburg High School
Umpqua Community College
Northern Arizona University
Texas Southern University
Tennessee State University
Winston-Salem State University
Mojave High School
Lawrence Central High School
Franklin High School
Muskegon Heights High School
Independence High School
Madison High School
Antigo High School
University of California-Los Angeles
Jeremiah Burke High School
Alpine High School
Townville Elementary School
Vigor High School
Linden McKinley STEM Academy
June Jordan High School for Equity
Union Middle School
Mueller Park Junior High School
West Liberty-Salem High School
University of Washington
King City High School
North Park Elementary School
North Lake College
Freeman High School
Mattoon High School
Rancho Tehama Elementary School
Aztec High School
Wake Forest University
Italy High School
NET Charter High School
Marshall County High School
Sal Castro Middle School
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School
Great Mills High School
Central Michigan University
Huffman High School
Frederick Douglass High School
Forest High School
Highland High School
Dixon High School
Santa Fe High School
Noblesville West Middle School
University of North Carolina Charlotte
STEM School Highlands Ranch
Edgewood High School
Palm Beach Central High School
Providence Career & Technical Academy
Fairley High School (school bus)
Canyon Springs High School
Dennis Intermediate School
Florida International University
Central Elementary School
Cascade Middle School
Davidson High School
Prairie View A & M University
Altascocita High School
Central Academy of Excellence
Cleveland High School
Robert E Lee High School
Cheyenne South High School
Grambling State University
Blountsville Elementary School
Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus)
Prescott High School
College of the Mainland
Wynbrooke Elementary School
UNC Charlotte
Riverview Florida (school bus)
Second Chance High School
Carman-Ainsworth High School
Williwaw Elementary School
Monroe Clark Middle School
Central Catholic High School
Jeanette High School
Eastern Hills High School
DeAnza High School
Ridgway High School
Reginald F Lewis High School
Saugus High School
Pleasantville High School
Waukesha South High School
Oshkosh High School
Catholic Academy of New Haven
Bellaire High School
North Crowley High School
McAuliffe Elementary School
South Oak Cliff High School
Texas A&M University-Commerce
Sonora High School
Western Illinois University
Oxford High School
Robb Elementary SchoolThurston High School
Columbine High School
Heritage High School
Deming Middle School
Fort Gibson Middle School
Buell Elementary School
Lake Worth Middle School
University of Arkansas
Junipero Serra High School
Santana High School
Bishop Neumann High School
Pacific Lutheran University
Granite Hills High School
Lew Wallace High School
Martin Luther King, Jr High School
Appalachian School of Law
Washington High School
Conception Abbey
Benjamin Tasker Middle School
University of Arizona
Lincoln High School
John McDonogh High School
Red Lion Area Junior High School
Case Western Reserve University
Rocori High School
Ballou High School
Randallstown High School
Bowen High School
Red Lake Senior High School
Harlan Community Academy High School
Campbell County High School
Milwee Middle School
Roseburg High School
Pine Middle School
Essex Elementary School
Duquesne University
Platte Canyon High School
Weston High School
West Nickel Mines School
Joplin Memorial Middle School
Henry Foss High School
Compton Centennial High School
Virginia Tech
Success Tech Academy
Miami Carol City Senior High School
Hamilton High School
Louisiana Technical College
Mitchell High School
EO Green Junior High School
Northern Illinois University
Lakota Middle School
Knoxville Central High School
Willoughby South High School
Henry Ford High School
University of Central Arkansas
Dillard High School
Dunbar High School
Hampton University
Harvard College
Larose-Cut Off Middle School
International Studies Academy
Skyline College
Discovery Middle School
University of Alabama
DeKalb School
Deer Creek Middle School
Ohio State University
Mumford High School
University of Texas
Kelly Elementary School
Marinette High School
Aurora Central High School
Millard South High School
Martinsville West Middle School
Worthing High School
Millard South High School
Highlands Intermediate School
Cape Fear High School
Chardon High School
Episcopal School of Jacksonville
Oikos University
Hamilton High School
Perry Hall School
Normal Community High School
University of South Alabama
Banner Academy South
University of Southern California
Sandy Hook Elementary School
Apostolic Revival Center Christian School
Taft Union High School
Osborn High School
Stevens Institute of Business and Arts
Hazard Community and Technical College
Chicago State University
Lone Star College-North
Cesar Chavez High School
Price Middle School
University of Central Florida
New River Community College
Grambling State University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School
Ronald E McNair Discovery Academy
North Panola High School
Carver High School
Agape Christian Academy
Sparks Middle School
North Carolina A&T State University
Stephenson High School
Brashear High School
West Orange High School
Arapahoe High School
Edison High School
Liberty Technology Magnet High School
Hillhouse High School
Berrendo Middle School
Purdue University
South Carolina State University
Los Angeles Valley College
Charles F Brush High School
University of Southern California
Georgia Regents University
Academy of Knowledge Preschool
Benjamin Banneker High School
D H Conley High School
East English Village Preparatory Academy
Paine College
Georgia Gwinnett College
John F Kennedy High School
Seattle Pacific University
Reynolds High School
Indiana State University
Albemarle High School
Fern Creek Traditional High School
Langston Hughes High School
Marysville Pilchuck High School
Florida State University
Miami Carol City High School
Rogers State University
Rosemary Anderson High School
Wisconsin Lutheran High School
Frederick High School
Tenaya Middle School
Bethune-Cookman University
Pershing Elementary School
Wayne Community College
JB Martin Middle School
Southwestern Classical Academy
Savannah State University
Harrisburg High School
Umpqua Community College
Northern Arizona University
Texas Southern University
Tennessee State University
Winston-Salem State University
Mojave High School
Lawrence Central High School
Franklin High School
Muskegon Heights High School
Independence High School
Madison High School
Antigo High School
University of California-Los Angeles
Jeremiah Burke High School
Alpine High School
Townville Elementary School
Vigor High School
Linden McKinley STEM Academy
June Jordan High School for Equity
Union Middle School
Mueller Park Junior High School
West Liberty-Salem High School
University of Washington
King City High School
North Park Elementary School
North Lake College
Freeman High School
Mattoon High School
Rancho Tehama Elementary School
Aztec High School
Wake Forest University
Italy High School
NET Charter High School
Marshall County High School
Sal Castro Middle School
Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School
Great Mills High School
Central Michigan University
Huffman High School
Frederick Douglass High School
Forest High School
Highland High School
Dixon High School
Santa Fe High School
Noblesville West Middle School
University of North Carolina Charlotte
STEM School Highlands Ranch
Edgewood High School
Palm Beach Central High School
Providence Career & Technical Academy
Fairley High School (school bus)
Canyon Springs High School
Dennis Intermediate School
Florida International University
Central Elementary School
Cascade Middle School
Davidson High School
Prairie View A & M University
Altascocita High School
Central Academy of Excellence
Cleveland High School
Robert E Lee High School
Cheyenne South High School
Grambling State University
Blountsville Elementary School
Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus)
Prescott High School
College of the Mainland
Wynbrooke Elementary School
UNC Charlotte
Riverview Florida (school bus)
Second Chance High School
Carman-Ainsworth High School
Williwaw Elementary School
Monroe Clark Middle School
Central Catholic High School
Jeanette High School
Eastern Hills High School
DeAnza High School
Ridgway High School
Reginald F Lewis High School
Saugus High School
Pleasantville High School
Conniston Middle School
Waukesha South High School
Oshkosh High School
Catholic Academy of New Haven
Bellaire High School
North Crowley High School
McAuliffe Elementary School
South Oak Cliff High School
Texas A&M University-Commerce
Sonora High School
Western Illinois University
Oxford High School
Bridgewater University
Robb Elementary School
Michigan State University
Covenant Christian School

[Mark-C]

There's some doubling up on that list ... it's worrying enough without.

Having lived in Ohio I spotted OSU on there twice.

[Voldemort]

Mark-C said:

There's some doubling up on that list ... it's worrying enough without.

Having lived in Ohio I spotted OSU on there twice.

4 May 1970
28 November 2016
13 November 2023

Admittedly the last was off campus.