CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)

[TheJimi]

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

Alucidnation said:

tigamilla said:

Alucidnation said:

So, as well as it all being the fault of Boris anyway, it's now even more his fault because he got ill with the virus?

He has admitted (can't remember where I saw I) that his personal experience with getting ill had a pretty big impact on the response. So yes in a way, if he hadn't got ill, we might have taken a somewhat different approach.

Fair enough, although I can’t think of what his different approach would have been.

Maybe a bit more of balanced approach rather than shutting down the economy. Something along the lines of properly protecting the vulnerable, having a working track and trace system, providing proper financial support for people to isolate if tested positive and letting the economy function. Add in some limited social distancing rules for larger gatherings etc and possibly reduced numbers in public spaces.

Allowing healthy people to work and for businesses to be open would have made more sense subject to the above.

That sounds reasonable, but many other countries have been near enough in line with regards to restrictions etc.

That doesn't qualify that it is/was the correct approach.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It's not hindsight, it's on-fking-going!

Yesterday, I drove about 9miles to visit my parents, and risked a fine to do so.

This afternoon, I'll be driving a similar distance, to go for a walk and a change of scenery. Also risking a fine.

Do you honestly think, that right now, that is proportionate and fair? Or even sensible?

Edited by TheJimi on Sunday 7th March 13:29

Is it fair that you openly choose to ignore the rules, whilst most other people are following them?

No critical thought whatsoever, just blind slavish devotion to "The Rules"

I'd expect nothing less of you.

I’ll take that as a no.

See my edit.

Further, I asked my question first, and chose to ignore it.

Edited by TheJimi on Sunday 7th March 14:14

[Not-The-Messiah]

Boringvolvodriver said:

Alucidnation said:

tigamilla said:

Alucidnation said:

So, as well as it all being the fault of Boris anyway, it's now even more his fault because he got ill with the virus?

He has admitted (can't remember where I saw I) that his personal experience with getting ill had a pretty big impact on the response. So yes in a way, if he hadn't got ill, we might have taken a somewhat different approach.

Fair enough, although I can’t think of what his different approach would have been.

Maybe a bit more of balanced approach rather than shutting down the economy. Something along the lines of properly protecting the vulnerable, having a working track and trace system, providing proper financial support for people to isolate if tested positive and letting the economy function. Add in some limited social distancing rules for larger gatherings etc and possibly reduced numbers in public spaces.

Allowing healthy people to work and for businesses to be open would have made more sense subject to the above.

Another problem was that the people who should have been screaming about the negative affects of what we were doing said nothing because it was against their personal interests.
Your economists and people in charge of the money most of who are probably in a more vulnerable age group to the virus. You ended up getting statements like "we know that the economic damage of not locking down would be far worse than doing so" They showed zero evidence for this. Or they just disappeared and said nothing. How many economic predictions did we have about Brexit? seemed like one a week.

It's was a situation where they felt personally threatened and ultimately knowing that what would need to happen is the governments to poor mass stimulus into the economy. They knew like the last economic mess much of that money will just end up inflating their assets and personal wealth and they won't feel the economic pain.
This was also true with the media and the scientific/ academic community.

[DaveV6]

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

Alucidnation said:

tigamilla said:

Alucidnation said:

So, as well as it all being the fault of Boris anyway, it's now even more his fault because he got ill with the virus?

He has admitted (can't remember where I saw I) that his personal experience with getting ill had a pretty big impact on the response. So yes in a way, if he hadn't got ill, we might have taken a somewhat different approach.

Fair enough, although I can’t think of what his different approach would have been.

Maybe a bit more of balanced approach rather than shutting down the economy. Something along the lines of properly protecting the vulnerable, having a working track and trace system, providing proper financial support for people to isolate if tested positive and letting the economy function. Add in some limited social distancing rules for larger gatherings etc and possibly reduced numbers in public spaces.

Allowing healthy people to work and for businesses to be open would have made more sense subject to the above.

That sounds reasonable, but many other countries have been near enough in line with regards to restrictions etc.

That doesn't qualify that it is/was the correct approach.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It's not hindsight, it's on-fking-going!

Yesterday, I drove about 9miles to visit my parents, and risked a fine to do so.

This afternoon, I'll be driving a similar distance, to go for a walk and a change of scenery. Also risking a fine.

Do you honestly think, that right now, that is proportionate and fair? Or even sensible?

Edited by TheJimi on Sunday 7th March 13:29

Is it fair that you openly choose to ignore the rules, whilst most other people are following them?

TheJimi, you are not breaking the law travelling any distance with a reasonable excuse.

It's why since the end of the first lock down I have travelled 20 miles to see my parents (food delivery) and exercise with my kids most weeks. I've seen my brother 60 miles away (Xmas presents) . But I have kept my distance and not gone inside.

If other people wish to follow stupid rules and guidelines then that is up to them. I've followed the stupid law.

[Colonel Cupcake]

Smollet said:

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

Alucidnation said:

tigamilla said:

Alucidnation said:

So, as well as it all being the fault of Boris anyway, it's now even more his fault because he got ill with the virus?

He has admitted (can't remember where I saw I) that his personal experience with getting ill had a pretty big impact on the response. So yes in a way, if he hadn't got ill, we might have taken a somewhat different approach.

Fair enough, although I can’t think of what his different approach would have been.

Maybe a bit more of balanced approach rather than shutting down the economy. Something along the lines of properly protecting the vulnerable, having a working track and trace system, providing proper financial support for people to isolate if tested positive and letting the economy function. Add in some limited social distancing rules for larger gatherings etc and possibly reduced numbers in public spaces.

Allowing healthy people to work and for businesses to be open would have made more sense subject to the above.

That sounds reasonable, but many other countries have been near enough in line with regards to restrictions etc.

That doesn't qualify that it is/was the correct approach.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It's not hindsight, it's on-fking-going!

Yesterday, I drove about 9miles to visit my parents, and risked a fine to do so.

This afternoon, I'll be driving a similar distance, to go for a walk and a change of scenery. Also risking a fine.

Do you honestly think, that right now, that is proportionate and fair? Or even sensible?

Edited by TheJimi on Sunday 7th March 13:29

Is it fair that you openly choose to ignore the rules, whilst most other people are following them?

He isn’t ignoring any rules from what I’ve seen

That Humberside policeman told us all what the rules were earlier in the thread.

Alucidnation called him a 'loon' because it was not what he wanted to hear.

[worsy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56312621

Prepping for next Winter lockdown:

The UK must prepare for a "hard winter" because the population immunity to respiratory viruses other than Covid could be lower than usual, one of England's top medics has warned.

[Jordan210]

worsy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56312621

Prepping for next Winter lockdown:

The UK must prepare for a "hard winter" because the population immunity to respiratory viruses other than Covid could be lower than usual, one of England's top medics has warned.

Was about to post this. Dr Susan Hopkins with more doom and gloom.

[Boringvolvodriver]

worsy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56312621

Prepping for next Winter lockdown:

The UK must prepare for a "hard winter" because the population immunity to respiratory viruses other than Covid could be lower than usual, one of England's top medics has warned.

So more lockdown then?

Or

Plenty of time for the Government and NHS to plan and get ready to manage the situation presumably?

[Carrot]

Jasandjules said:

Leicester Loyal said:

Not allowed back without a negative test are they?

What makes you say that? Masks and tests are all voluntary.

Goodness only knows what kind of psychological damage is being done to children and would be done to children who think they need to be tested twice a week to be "safe". I fear the mental harm done by this corrupt, inept inbred Govt will be felt for years to come, as well as the economic ruin.

Yep. We should have been saying no a long time ago, however hopefully this is the point where people now start...

[Alucidnation]

Colonel Cupcake said:

Smollet said:

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

Alucidnation said:

tigamilla said:

Alucidnation said:

So, as well as it all being the fault of Boris anyway, it's now even more his fault because he got ill with the virus?

He has admitted (can't remember where I saw I) that his personal experience with getting ill had a pretty big impact on the response. So yes in a way, if he hadn't got ill, we might have taken a somewhat different approach.

Fair enough, although I can’t think of what his different approach would have been.

Maybe a bit more of balanced approach rather than shutting down the economy. Something along the lines of properly protecting the vulnerable, having a working track and trace system, providing proper financial support for people to isolate if tested positive and letting the economy function. Add in some limited social distancing rules for larger gatherings etc and possibly reduced numbers in public spaces.

Allowing healthy people to work and for businesses to be open would have made more sense subject to the above.

That sounds reasonable, but many other countries have been near enough in line with regards to restrictions etc.

That doesn't qualify that it is/was the correct approach.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It's not hindsight, it's on-fking-going!

Yesterday, I drove about 9miles to visit my parents, and risked a fine to do so.

This afternoon, I'll be driving a similar distance, to go for a walk and a change of scenery. Also risking a fine.

Do you honestly think, that right now, that is proportionate and fair? Or even sensible?

Edited by TheJimi on Sunday 7th March 13:29

Is it fair that you openly choose to ignore the rules, whilst most other people are following them?

He isn’t ignoring any rules from what I’ve seen

That Humberside policeman told us all what the rules were earlier in the thread.

Alucidnation called him a 'loon' because it was not what he wanted to hear.

He was called a loon because he thought he understood the requirements.

However, to be honest, I couldn't give a fk either way as it will soon be all over.

Athough i am sure the resident loons will carry on squabbling.

[scottyp123]

worsy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56312621

Prepping for next Winter lockdown:

The UK must prepare for a "hard winter" because the population immunity to respiratory viruses other than Covid could be lower than usual, one of England's top medics has warned.

So lockdowns destroy the economy and destroy peoples ability to fight off killer diseases. Not a lot going for them is there.

[grumbledoak]

worsy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56312621

Prepping for next Winter lockdown:

The UK must prepare for a "hard winter" because the population immunity to respiratory viruses other than Covid could be lower than usual, one of England's top medics has warned.

Get used to it. It’s going to be every winter now.

Those TikTok videos don’t make themselves.

[em177]

Apparently nobody died within 28 days of a positive test today...

[bodhi]

scottyp123 said:

So lockdowns destroy the economy and destroy peoples ability to fight off killer diseases. Not a lot going for them is there.

They don't even seem to do an awful lot in terms of terms of keeping people alive.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-84092-1

"~ 98% of the comparisons using 87 different regions of the world we found no evidence that the number of deaths/million is reduced by staying at home."

[CAH706]

7 March 2021
Owing to processing issues for deaths in England, the numbers of deaths throughout the UK will be updated later. In the meantime, the number of newly reported deaths for 7 March 2021 may incorrectly show as zero.

[TheJimi]

Alucidnation said:

Colonel Cupcake said:

Smollet said:

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

Alucidnation said:

tigamilla said:

Alucidnation said:

So, as well as it all being the fault of Boris anyway, it's now even more his fault because he got ill with the virus?

He has admitted (can't remember where I saw I) that his personal experience with getting ill had a pretty big impact on the response. So yes in a way, if he hadn't got ill, we might have taken a somewhat different approach.

Fair enough, although I can’t think of what his different approach would have been.

Maybe a bit more of balanced approach rather than shutting down the economy. Something along the lines of properly protecting the vulnerable, having a working track and trace system, providing proper financial support for people to isolate if tested positive and letting the economy function. Add in some limited social distancing rules for larger gatherings etc and possibly reduced numbers in public spaces.

Allowing healthy people to work and for businesses to be open would have made more sense subject to the above.

That sounds reasonable, but many other countries have been near enough in line with regards to restrictions etc.

That doesn't qualify that it is/was the correct approach.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It's not hindsight, it's on-fking-going!

Yesterday, I drove about 9miles to visit my parents, and risked a fine to do so.

This afternoon, I'll be driving a similar distance, to go for a walk and a change of scenery. Also risking a fine.

Do you honestly think, that right now, that is proportionate and fair? Or even sensible?

Edited by TheJimi on Sunday 7th March 13:29

Is it fair that you openly choose to ignore the rules, whilst most other people are following them?

He isn’t ignoring any rules from what I’ve seen

That Humberside policeman told us all what the rules were earlier in the thread.

Alucidnation called him a 'loon' because it was not what he wanted to hear.

He was called a loon because he thought he understood the requirements.

However, to be honest, I couldn't give a fk either way as it will soon be all over.

Athough i am sure the resident loons will carry on squabbling.

How about you answer the question I first posed to you above?

[anonymous-user]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

In English, fk all!

[SCEtoAUX]

And they won't let people even drink in a pub garden for another six weeks. It is going to be very hard for Boris to stick to his ridiculous roadmap at this rate.

[frisbee]

worsy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56312621

Prepping for next Winter lockdown:

The UK must prepare for a "hard winter" because the population immunity to respiratory viruses other than Covid could be lower than usual, one of England's top medics has warned.

I've done some maths, there are approximately 17.3 trillion planet killing interstellar objects, I estimate we'll need a sofa approximately 12,000km across.

[Carrot]

SCEtoAUX said:

And they won't let people even drink in a pub garden for another six weeks. It is going to be very hard for Boris to stick to his ridiculous roadmap at this rate.

Boris may well be. Most people i know are not.

[anonymous-user]

Carrot said:

SCEtoAUX said:

And they won't let people even drink in a pub garden for another six weeks. It is going to be very hard for Boris to stick to his ridiculous roadmap at this rate.

Boris may well be. Most people i know are not.

Agreed. I’ve not followed the rules, apart from face mask to go shopping, for many months now. Nor have many of my neighbours, friends and family thankfully. Probably the reason we’re still sane