CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)

[Smollet]

em177 said:

Apparently nobody died within 28 days of a positive test today...

And the bit omitted.

[anonymous-user]

Smollet said:

em177 said:

Apparently nobody died within 28 days of a positive test today...

And the bit omitted.

Maybe zero is the real number before political massaging

[fido]

bodhi said:

So lockdowns destroy the economy and destroy peoples ability to fight off killer diseases. Not a lot going for them is there.

It's no surprise that educating/informing people and letting them manage the risk on a common-sense basis is no worse than dictating to them? The equivalent of marginal returns in economics or engineering.

[Biker 1]

fido said:

It's no surprise that educating/informing people and letting them manage the risk on a common-sense basis is no worse than dictating to them? The equivalent of marginal returns in economics or engineering.

Isn't that basically what the Swedish government did? Sorry, I'm not allowed to mention that.......

[Alucidnation]

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

Colonel Cupcake said:

Smollet said:

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

Alucidnation said:

tigamilla said:

Alucidnation said:

So, as well as it all being the fault of Boris anyway, it's now even more his fault because he got ill with the virus?

He has admitted (can't remember where I saw I) that his personal experience with getting ill had a pretty big impact on the response. So yes in a way, if he hadn't got ill, we might have taken a somewhat different approach.

Fair enough, although I can’t think of what his different approach would have been.

Maybe a bit more of balanced approach rather than shutting down the economy. Something along the lines of properly protecting the vulnerable, having a working track and trace system, providing proper financial support for people to isolate if tested positive and letting the economy function. Add in some limited social distancing rules for larger gatherings etc and possibly reduced numbers in public spaces.

Allowing healthy people to work and for businesses to be open would have made more sense subject to the above.

That sounds reasonable, but many other countries have been near enough in line with regards to restrictions etc.

That doesn't qualify that it is/was the correct approach.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It's not hindsight, it's on-fking-going!

Yesterday, I drove about 9miles to visit my parents, and risked a fine to do so.

This afternoon, I'll be driving a similar distance, to go for a walk and a change of scenery. Also risking a fine.

Do you honestly think, that right now, that is proportionate and fair? Or even sensible?

Edited by TheJimi on Sunday 7th March 13:29

Is it fair that you openly choose to ignore the rules, whilst most other people are following them?

He isn’t ignoring any rules from what I’ve seen

That Humberside policeman told us all what the rules were earlier in the thread.

Alucidnation called him a 'loon' because it was not what he wanted to hear.

He was called a loon because he thought he understood the requirements.

However, to be honest, I couldn't give a fk either way as it will soon be all over.

Athough i am sure the resident loons will carry on squabbling.

How about you answer the question I first posed to you above?

I did.

In a roundabout way.

[danllama]

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

Alucidnation said:

tigamilla said:

Alucidnation said:

So, as well as it all being the fault of Boris anyway, it's now even more his fault because he got ill with the virus?

He has admitted (can't remember where I saw I) that his personal experience with getting ill had a pretty big impact on the response. So yes in a way, if he hadn't got ill, we might have taken a somewhat different approach.

Fair enough, although I can’t think of what his different approach would have been.

Maybe a bit more of balanced approach rather than shutting down the economy. Something along the lines of properly protecting the vulnerable, having a working track and trace system, providing proper financial support for people to isolate if tested positive and letting the economy function. Add in some limited social distancing rules for larger gatherings etc and possibly reduced numbers in public spaces.

Allowing healthy people to work and for businesses to be open would have made more sense subject to the above.

That sounds reasonable, but many other countries have been near enough in line with regards to restrictions etc.

That doesn't qualify that it is/was the correct approach.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It's not hindsight, it's on-fking-going!

Yesterday, I drove about 9miles to visit my parents, and risked a fine to do so.

This afternoon, I'll be driving a similar distance, to go for a walk and a change of scenery. Also risking a fine.

Do you honestly think, that right now, that is proportionate and fair? Or even sensible?

Edited by TheJimi on Sunday 7th March 13:29

Is it fair that you openly choose to ignore the rules, whilst most other people are following them?

Most sensible people are ignoring the fascist rules.

Had an excellent 70 mile b road blast around Kent today and a stroll around Folkestone. Bit chilly but still very very busy out there.

[Alucidnation]

danllama said:

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

TheJimi said:

Alucidnation said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

Alucidnation said:

tigamilla said:

Alucidnation said:

So, as well as it all being the fault of Boris anyway, it's now even more his fault because he got ill with the virus?

He has admitted (can't remember where I saw I) that his personal experience with getting ill had a pretty big impact on the response. So yes in a way, if he hadn't got ill, we might have taken a somewhat different approach.

Fair enough, although I can’t think of what his different approach would have been.

Maybe a bit more of balanced approach rather than shutting down the economy. Something along the lines of properly protecting the vulnerable, having a working track and trace system, providing proper financial support for people to isolate if tested positive and letting the economy function. Add in some limited social distancing rules for larger gatherings etc and possibly reduced numbers in public spaces.

Allowing healthy people to work and for businesses to be open would have made more sense subject to the above.

That sounds reasonable, but many other countries have been near enough in line with regards to restrictions etc.

That doesn't qualify that it is/was the correct approach.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

It's not hindsight, it's on-fking-going!

Yesterday, I drove about 9miles to visit my parents, and risked a fine to do so.

This afternoon, I'll be driving a similar distance, to go for a walk and a change of scenery. Also risking a fine.

Do you honestly think, that right now, that is proportionate and fair? Or even sensible?

Edited by TheJimi on Sunday 7th March 13:29

Is it fair that you openly choose to ignore the rules, whilst most other people are following them?

Most sensible people are ignoring the fascist rules.

Had an excellent 70 mile b road blast around Kent today and a stroll around Folkestone. Bit chilly but still very very busy out there.

That’s nice.

It’s never busy here.

[danllama]

worsy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56312621

Prepping for next Winter lockdown:

The UK must prepare for a "hard winter" because the population immunity to respiratory viruses other than Covid could be lower than usual, one of England's top medics has warned.

Can someone tell all those "top" somethings to just fk off?

[dangerousB]

bodhi said:

scottyp123 said:

So lockdowns destroy the economy and destroy peoples ability to fight off killer diseases. Not a lot going for them is there.

They don't even seem to do an awful lot in terms of terms of keeping people alive.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-84092-1

"~?98% of the comparisons using 87 different regions of the world we found no evidence that the number of deaths/million is reduced by staying at home."

amongst a whole bunch of bullst Covid statements, Dr Malcolm Kendrick has a lot of sensible observations on the "lockdowns work" mantra:-

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2021/03/06/believing...

[Otispunkmeyer]

Boringvolvodriver said:

worsy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56312621

Prepping for next Winter lockdown:

The UK must prepare for a "hard winter" because the population immunity to respiratory viruses other than Covid could be lower than usual, one of England's top medics has warned.

So more lockdown then?

Or

Plenty of time for the Government and NHS to plan and get ready to manage the situation presumably?

Oi! those Tik Toks don't make themselves you know! Jeez...

And they've got to throw out all their perfectly good office kit they just bought 2 years ago and replace it with new stuff, you know, to spend their budget somehow.

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Sunday 7th March 17:38

[survivalist]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

worsy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56312621

Prepping for next Winter lockdown:

The UK must prepare for a "hard winter" because the population immunity to respiratory viruses other than Covid could be lower than usual, one of England's top medics has warned.

So more lockdown then?

Or

Plenty of time for the Government and NHS to plan and get ready to manage the situation presumably?

Oi! those Tik Toks don't make themselves you know!

Maybe if we all start clapping on a nominated evening it’ll stop the flu from spreading?

[Carrot]

survivalist said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

worsy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56312621

Prepping for next Winter lockdown:

The UK must prepare for a "hard winter" because the population immunity to respiratory viruses other than Covid could be lower than usual, one of England's top medics has warned.

So more lockdown then?

Or

Plenty of time for the Government and NHS to plan and get ready to manage the situation presumably?

Oi! those Tik Toks don't make themselves you know!

Maybe if we all start clapping on a nominated evening it’ll stop the flu from spreading?

Are we then spreading the clap?

[anonymous-user]

Carrot said:

survivalist said:

Otispunkmeyer said:

Boringvolvodriver said:

worsy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56312621

Prepping for next Winter lockdown:

The UK must prepare for a "hard winter" because the population immunity to respiratory viruses other than Covid could be lower than usual, one of England's top medics has warned.

So more lockdown then?

Or

Plenty of time for the Government and NHS to plan and get ready to manage the situation presumably?

Oi! those Tik Toks don't make themselves you know!

Maybe if we all start clapping on a nominated evening it’ll stop the flu from spreading?

Are we then spreading the clap?

At least antibiotics should help.

[Jasandjules]

Alucidnation said:

Is it fair that you openly choose to ignore the rules, whilst most other people are following them?

Yes.

Unjust laws should be ignored and disobeyed.

[V1nce Fox]

Jasandjules said:

Alucidnation said:

Is it fair that you openly choose to ignore the rules, whilst most other people are following them?

Yes.

Unjust laws should be ignored and disobeyed.

Agreed.

[Zoobeef]

Just done the 20 miles round trip to my parents to pick up a pasting table.
Not a single rule broken.

[johnboy1975]

dangerousB said:

bodhi said:

scottyp123 said:

So lockdowns destroy the economy and destroy peoples ability to fight off killer diseases. Not a lot going for them is there.

They don't even seem to do an awful lot in terms of terms of keeping people alive.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-84092-1

"~?98% of the comparisons using 87 different regions of the world we found no evidence that the number of deaths/million is reduced by staying at home."

amongst a whole bunch of bullst Covid statements, Dr Malcolm Kendrick has a lot of sensible observations on the "lockdowns work" mantra:-

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2021/03/06/believing...

That is a brilliant read. I'd love to think we live in a critical thinking democracy, and someone could run through the main points in a question to Boris at a briefing. Maybe JHB? (Discounting the possibility of a MSM presenter asking......I dont believe in impossible things )

[survivalist]

Zoobeef said:

Just done the 20 miles round trip to my parents to pick up a pasting table.
Not a single rule broken.

Off topic, but what makes it a pasting table? They’ve always just looked like folding tables to me.

[SCEtoAUX]

survivalist said:

Zoobeef said:

Just done the 20 miles round trip to my parents to pick up a pasting table.
Not a single rule broken.

Off topic, but what makes it a pasting table? They’ve always just looked like folding tables to me.

Presumably because they are long, lightweight and just a little bit wider than a roll of wallpaper.

[anonymous-user]

johnboy1975 said:

dangerousB said:

bodhi said:

scottyp123 said:

So lockdowns destroy the economy and destroy peoples ability to fight off killer diseases. Not a lot going for them is there.

They don't even seem to do an awful lot in terms of terms of keeping people alive.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-84092-1

"~?98% of the comparisons using 87 different regions of the world we found no evidence that the number of deaths/million is reduced by staying at home."

amongst a whole bunch of bullst Covid statements, Dr Malcolm Kendrick has a lot of sensible observations on the "lockdowns work" mantra:-

https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2021/03/06/believing...

That is a brilliant read. I'd love to think we live in a critical thinking democracy, and someone could run through the main points in a question to Boris at a briefing. Maybe JHB? (Discounting the possibility of a MSM presenter asking......I dont believe in impossible things )

Excellent read..... I particularly like .....

“Frankly, if I had to choose a country from which to obtain high quality, unbiased information, about anything, China would not feature in my top one hundred and ninety-four countries”