Meanwhile, In Syria
Discussion
QuantumTokoloshi said:
All those experts and surveillance but the bulk of the evidence consists of dodgy jihadi inshallah eye witness testimony, Jihadi affiliated doctors and wobbly Muhammad Al jihadi productions victim videos tying Assad to the Sarin attack.
No hard evidence such as Sarin contaminated munitions containers or actual independent verification.
Seems legit.
Lucky we have all these experts to tell us what to think, like Colin Powell and his expert WMD briefing to the UN or the Blair expert intelligence dossier about WMD and being ready within 45 minutes or Cameron and the expert "Benghazi massacre" fiction. I feel so much safer now knowing the experts are on the case.
Assad has never and will never allow independent witnesses to his regimes crime spots, or those of the Russians, Iranians or Hizbollah for that matter.No hard evidence such as Sarin contaminated munitions containers or actual independent verification.
Seems legit.
Lucky we have all these experts to tell us what to think, like Colin Powell and his expert WMD briefing to the UN or the Blair expert intelligence dossier about WMD and being ready within 45 minutes or Cameron and the expert "Benghazi massacre" fiction. I feel so much safer now knowing the experts are on the case.
That is unless he's had time to cover up or move evidence like the previous gas inspectorate!
And the sad thing is you know this yet spout this line like several other west bashing fun boys.
Phil
Released by the DOD;
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/85017998...
Phil
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/85017998...
Phil
Edited by Transmitter Man on Saturday 8th April 04:59
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Zod said:
nyxster said:
frankenstein12 said:
That and the fact Assad has been blamed without evidence. I note the comments from the so called friendly rebels that they hope this is just the start of a new campaign to remove Assad and that they launched immediate attacks in the aftermath of the rocket strikes.
it was widely reported the US tracked the aircraft taking off from the airfield, going to the target then returning. Military experts have confirmed that the fatalities could have been only caused by a high detonation bomb, and not from a release caused by bombing a supply dump.The US probably have the most sophisticated military surveillance network on the planet and will be monitoring all key sites like this. it really isn't like they just saw someone post on facebook and responded to it by lobbing millions of tomahawks at a random target.
Well, not really. All weak, but the mercenary magazine thing? Seriously? How you could confuse me with 50 cent Mustang? That cuts deep.
Edited by Zod on Saturday 8th April 11:57
Transmitter Man said:
Released by the DOD;
https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/85017998...
Phil
Before this was released by the dodgy like immediately after the attack Assad and Russia stated they dropped bombs from jets.https://twitter.com/Charles_Lister/status/85017998...
Phil
Edited by Transmitter Man on Saturday 8th April 04:59
It's not news nor in any way confirmation that the jets dropped chemical weapons bombs.
Provide me with actual evidence. Provide me with motive.
The anti assad brigade on here should never be in a jury as you don't believe in evidence or logical reasoning.
Just because the US intelligence services who have been working with the Syrian Terrorist groups claim their Intel is that Assad dropped chemical weapons does not make it true or accurate.
Their Intel will come from their trusted sources aka friendly rebels. There are no friendly rebels. All of them are linked in one way or another to atrocities against civilians and to extremist groups.
Also as an aside and as has been mentioned before there have been proper independent persons who have gone out to Syria and all of them have come back saying Syrian people overwhelmingly prefer and tryst Assad over the Rebels.
They also state they found no evidence of wrongdoing by Assad as claimed in media and by the Government.
These are all people some who are well respected in their fields who paid all their own costs personally to go on fact finding missions in Syria.
Yes it can be argued Assad may have covered things up or misled them but same can be said of any group in Syria regardless of support for rebels or Assad
They also state they found no evidence of wrongdoing by Assad as claimed in media and by the Government.
These are all people some who are well respected in their fields who paid all their own costs personally to go on fact finding missions in Syria.
Yes it can be argued Assad may have covered things up or misled them but same can be said of any group in Syria regardless of support for rebels or Assad
frankenstein12 said:
Also as an aside and as has been mentioned before there have been proper independent persons who have gone out to Syria and all of them have come back saying Syrian people overwhelmingly prefer and tryst Assad over the Rebels.
They also state they found no evidence of wrongdoing by Assad as claimed in media and by the Government.
These are all people some who are well respected in their fields who paid all their own costs personally to go on fact finding missions in Syria.
Yes it can be argued Assad may have covered things up or misled them but same can be said of any group in Syria regardless of support for rebels or Assad
you do realise over 500,000 official authenticated documents have been smuggled out of syria that prove assads regime have committed systematic war crimes?They also state they found no evidence of wrongdoing by Assad as claimed in media and by the Government.
These are all people some who are well respected in their fields who paid all their own costs personally to go on fact finding missions in Syria.
Yes it can be argued Assad may have covered things up or misled them but same can be said of any group in Syria regardless of support for rebels or Assad
you really are an Assad fan boy, perhaps you'd have a different opinion living under a regime that detains, tortures and murders its citizen without trial. but you don't so its easy to support a lunatic despot regime from the comfort of your civilised human rights respecting nation.
I don't thing regime change will wirk guven the ISIS threat but suggesting Assad and his cronies are any better is insane. What the syrian people probably want us neither assad or isis but a benign peaceful government like in the emirates.
frankenstein12 said:
Also as an aside and as has been mentioned before there have been proper independent persons who have gone out to Syria and all of them have come back saying Syrian people overwhelmingly prefer and tryst Assad over the Rebels.
They also state they found no evidence of wrongdoing by Assad as claimed in media and by the Government.
These are all people some who are well respected in their fields who paid all their own costs personally to go on fact finding missions in Syria.
Yes it can be argued Assad may have covered things up or misled them but same can be said of any group in Syria regardless of support for rebels or Assad
Who are these "proper independent persons"?They also state they found no evidence of wrongdoing by Assad as claimed in media and by the Government.
These are all people some who are well respected in their fields who paid all their own costs personally to go on fact finding missions in Syria.
Yes it can be argued Assad may have covered things up or misled them but same can be said of any group in Syria regardless of support for rebels or Assad
What a surprise that citizens of a despot regime tell an outsider how much they like their government!
QuantumTokoloshi said:
All those experts and surveillance but the bulk of the evidence consists of dodgy jihadi inshallah eye witness testimony, Jihadi affiliated doctors and wobbly Muhammad Al jihadi productions victim videos tying Assad to the Sarin attack.
No hard evidence such as Sarin contaminated munitions containers or actual independent verification.
Seems legit.
Lucky we have all these experts to tell us what to think, like Colin Powell and his expert WMD briefing to the UN or the Blair expert intelligence dossier about WMD and being ready within 45 minutes or Cameron and the expert "Benghazi massacre" fiction. I feel so much safer now knowing the experts are on the case.
Firstly, where would the rebels have acquired these Sarin bombs from?No hard evidence such as Sarin contaminated munitions containers or actual independent verification.
Seems legit.
Lucky we have all these experts to tell us what to think, like Colin Powell and his expert WMD briefing to the UN or the Blair expert intelligence dossier about WMD and being ready within 45 minutes or Cameron and the expert "Benghazi massacre" fiction. I feel so much safer now knowing the experts are on the case.
Secondly, why bother. They are of very, very limited use to them in battle, unless they intended driving up a high mountain road and lobbing one off the back of a Toyota pickup onto Assads forces below, then they are virtually useless.
And thirdly, why would they be storing them in a populated area where 'they' and their own people are?
You already know the answers but here goes anyway - Assad's air force delivered them during the airstrike because he thought he could get away with it now he's hiding behind Putin's ball sack.
And you can tell they did it, the Syrian Ambassador remained calm during his rebuttal. If you had genuinely 'not' conducted the attack and been bombed by another nation for no apparent reason you'd be going NUTS.
Guilty as hell.
5ohmustang said:
People didn't laugh at you just because you're a prepper .. there's so many other reasons too!nyxster said:
frankenstein12 said:
Also as an aside and as has been mentioned before there have been proper independent persons who have gone out to Syria and all of them have come back saying Syrian people overwhelmingly prefer and tryst Assad over the Rebels.
They also state they found no evidence of wrongdoing by Assad as claimed in media and by the Government.
These are all people some who are well respected in their fields who paid all their own costs personally to go on fact finding missions in Syria.
Yes it can be argued Assad may have covered things up or misled them but same can be said of any group in Syria regardless of support for rebels or Assad
you do realise over 500,000 official authenticated documents have been smuggled out of syria that prove assads regime have committed systematic war crimes?They also state they found no evidence of wrongdoing by Assad as claimed in media and by the Government.
These are all people some who are well respected in their fields who paid all their own costs personally to go on fact finding missions in Syria.
Yes it can be argued Assad may have covered things up or misled them but same can be said of any group in Syria regardless of support for rebels or Assad
you really are an Assad fan boy, perhaps you'd have a different opinion living under a regime that detains, tortures and murders its citizen without trial. but you don't so its easy to support a lunatic despot regime from the comfort of your civilised human rights respecting nation.
I don't thing regime change will wirk guven the ISIS threat but suggesting Assad and his cronies are any better is insane. What the syrian people probably want us neither assad or isis but a benign peaceful government like in the emirates.
nyxster said:
frankenstein12 said:
Also as an aside and as has been mentioned before there have been proper independent persons who have gone out to Syria and all of them have come back saying Syrian people overwhelmingly prefer and tryst Assad over the Rebels.
They also state they found no evidence of wrongdoing by Assad as claimed in media and by the Government.
These are all people some who are well respected in their fields who paid all their own costs personally to go on fact finding missions in Syria.
Yes it can be argued Assad may have covered things up or misled them but same can be said of any group in Syria regardless of support for rebels or Assad
I have never said Assad is a saint or that he hasn't badly mistreated people and committed atrocities.They also state they found no evidence of wrongdoing by Assad as claimed in media and by the Government.
These are all people some who are well respected in their fields who paid all their own costs personally to go on fact finding missions in Syria.
Yes it can be argued Assad may have covered things up or misled them but same can be said of any group in Syria regardless of support for rebels or Assad
However I will always fight a corner based on evidence and logic.
As an aside to the above comments there are some photos doing the rounds of alleged chemical weapons containers at the bombed airbase where the planes flew from which may point to Assad having actually done as claimed.
To me it would beggar belief that he would do something so utterly illogical and stupid.
It would be nice if there was a way to verify the photos and containers. If Russia wants everyone on side with Assad then I would suggest Assad and Russia should immediately allow inspectors on the ground in the airbase to examine the site and containers for traces of chemicals.
The real problem would be making sure there was no question of tampering by inspectors or Assad/Russia.
Edited by frankenstein12 on Saturday 8th April 15:12
Remember the heartfelt speech given to the UN by a brave Kuwaiti nurse who gave sworn testament that Iraqi soldiers threw premature babies out of incubators to die?
Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
dudleybloke said:
Remember the heartfelt speech given to the UN by a brave Kuwaiti nurse who gave sworn testament that Iraqi soldiers threw premature babies out of incubators to die?
Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Aren't you the one with a YouTube channel of EDL videos?Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Zod said:
dudleybloke said:
Remember the heartfelt speech given to the UN by a brave Kuwaiti nurse who gave sworn testament that Iraqi soldiers threw premature babies out of incubators to die?
Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Aren't you the one with a YouTube channel of EDL videos?Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Also some banging old hardcore sets and random funny clips.
Aren't you the one who resorts to trying to imply people are racist/fascist when you can't deny the accuracy of my post.
dudleybloke said:
Zod said:
dudleybloke said:
Remember the heartfelt speech given to the UN by a brave Kuwaiti nurse who gave sworn testament that Iraqi soldiers threw premature babies out of incubators to die?
Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Aren't you the one with a YouTube channel of EDL videos?Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Also some banging old hardcore sets and random funny clips.
Aren't you the one who resorts to trying to imply people are racist/fascist when you can't deny the accuracy of my post.
Zod said:
dudleybloke said:
Zod said:
dudleybloke said:
Remember the heartfelt speech given to the UN by a brave Kuwaiti nurse who gave sworn testament that Iraqi soldiers threw premature babies out of incubators to die?
Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Aren't you the one with a YouTube channel of EDL videos?Evidence that helped the decision to fight Saddam.
Remember when she was found out as being the daughter of a Kuwaiti ambassador living in the USA at the time of the invasion?
Lies come big and small and from all sides when war is in the air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony...
Also some banging old hardcore sets and random funny clips.
Aren't you the one who resorts to trying to imply people are racist/fascist when you can't deny the accuracy of my post.
dudleybloke said:
I was simply saying that both sides lie and always have done.
That is like saying Assad & the FSA have committed crimes.It means nothing where you compare the number & size. There is no comparison whatsoever with what the regime has done to the people of Syria as compared to the moderate Syrian opposition.
This is the same trap as placing all opposition in a single category when you know full well there's a whole bunch of different opposition players with different agendas.
Assad and Russia are on the same side you know and both fly MIG's and other hardware!
Phil
rscott said:
People didn't laugh at you just because you're a prepper .. there's so many other reasons too!
I think there are a lot more people laughing at your liberal Russian conspiracy theories, these strikes totally debunk your narrative. Be sure to send me a postcard to let us know how you're getting along during Red Dawn.
Cobnapint said:
Firstly, where would the rebels have acquired these Sarin bombs from?
Secondly, why bother. They are of very, very limited use to them in battle, unless they intended driving up a high mountain road and lobbing one off the back of a Toyota pickup onto Assads forces below, then they are virtually useless.
And thirdly, why would they be storing them in a populated area where 'they' and their own people are?
They would have acquired them by looting SAA depots earlier in the war or by SAA personnel bringing the stuff with them when they deserted and joined the 'not at all fundamentalist and really moderate' rebels.Secondly, why bother. They are of very, very limited use to them in battle, unless they intended driving up a high mountain road and lobbing one off the back of a Toyota pickup onto Assads forces below, then they are virtually useless.
And thirdly, why would they be storing them in a populated area where 'they' and their own people are?
They are useless if you don't have a delivery system; in the absence of aircraft delivery via mortar or rocket fire is plausible, possibly even drone although I'd accept that's unlikely.
Hypothetically Johnny Rebel might store the stuff in populated areas because he's a fundamentalist loon who doesn't care for his own corporeal existence never mind anyone else's, because he's a member of a nutty death cult based on a warped interpretation of a book that tells people that the afterlife is much more important and cooler than actual life, also because he knows that if the US/the west get involved in the future they won't dare attack the storage site.
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