How many have been vaccinated so far?
Discussion
purplepenguin said:
Tony427 said:
purplepenguin said:
spikeyhead said:
CarlosFandango11 said:
Fairly obviously, the big decision is at what level of vaccination will a level of herd immunity be reached that’s acceptable to, as you say, “open up businesses and just get on with it”.
Bear in mind that making this decision with result in people dying.
It's not the dying that's now the principal issue. It's more significant that the NHS has a 4.7 million case backlog that needs ploughing through. We're only three weeks from being able to sit inside a pub, and another month from everything opening up. Even with the current restrictions, hospital admissions due to covid are only falling be 10 to 20% a week. That will continue to improve as more people get jabbed, but get worse as more is opened up. Bear in mind that making this decision with result in people dying.
I've no idea what the perfect balance is for opening things up, but I don't think we're too far away from it.
Anyway, there is a nice new “breathy” voiced ad on the radio telling you that the NHS will let you know when “your” vaccine is ready for “you”
Very personal and probably signed off by the behavioural science boffins - like you are being sold a lovely new coffee or some such.
Just something else from the govt I can shout obcenities over when its on the radio.
Tapping into the minds of the sheep prole useless eaters.
Not for me ta. I’m one of those “weird” types that does not believe anything that this clearly untrustworthy government spews.
495,593 new vaccinations registered in United Kingdom yesterday
England 85,067 1st doses / 313,616 2nd doses
Scotland 7,816 / 40,257
Wales 15,081 / 14,326
NI 8,364 / 11,066
The number of people who've had at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine in Flag of United Kingdom as of yesterday is
That is 50.8% of the total population
The number of people who've had both doses of a Covid-19 vaccine in Flag of United Kingdom as of yesterday is
That is 20.3% of the total population
Courtesy of:
https://twitter.com/HugoGye
England 85,067 1st doses / 313,616 2nd doses
Scotland 7,816 / 40,257
Wales 15,081 / 14,326
NI 8,364 / 11,066
The number of people who've had at least one dose of a Covid-19 vaccine in Flag of United Kingdom as of yesterday is
- 33,959,908*
That is 50.8% of the total population
The number of people who've had both doses of a Covid-19 vaccine in Flag of United Kingdom as of yesterday is
- 13,581,076*
That is 20.3% of the total population
Courtesy of:
https://twitter.com/HugoGye
purplepenguin said:
21TonyK said:
60M Pfizer ordered for boosters in the Autumn.
No biggie 
k-all vs the cost of a lockdown. So if it means that we have 2 or 3 companies working on versions which are suitable for variants, that is all well and good. And if they go to waste because they are not needed (i.e. get donated) who cares?EddieSteadyGo said:
To be fair, the government are just following their previous strategy e.g. the costs of the vaccine are fk-all vs the cost of a lockdown. So if it means that we have 2 or 3 companies working on versions which are suitable for variants, that is all well and good. And if they go to waste because they are not needed (i.e. get donated) who cares?
Exactly. It's a fractional cost.k-all vs the cost of a lockdown. So if it means that we have 2 or 3 companies working on versions which are suitable for variants, that is all well and good. And if they go to waste because they are not needed (i.e. get donated) who cares?21TonyK said:
60M Pfizer ordered for boosters in the Autumn.
After all this is done, there will be many other countries who look at the numbers of vaccines available to the UK and similar wealthy countries - which is a multiple of the doses needed to fully vaccinate everyone. Their governments and their people will ponder the fact that they still have travel restrictions, lockdowns, lots of deaths and all that goes with that, while other wealthy countries don't. Iminquarantine said:
After all this is done, there will be many other countries who look at the numbers of vaccines available to the UK and similar wealthy countries - which is a multiple of the doses needed to fully vaccinate everyone. Their governments and their people will ponder the fact that they still have travel restrictions, lockdowns, lots of deaths and all that goes with that, while other wealthy countries don't.
True, but at $3-$20 per shot, how many countries could tell their people that it was a cost issue for the govt?Iminquarantine said:
21TonyK said:
60M Pfizer ordered for boosters in the Autumn.
After all this is done, there will be many other countries who look at the numbers of vaccines available to the UK and similar wealthy countries - which is a multiple of the doses needed to fully vaccinate everyone. Their governments and their people will ponder the fact that they still have travel restrictions, lockdowns, lots of deaths and all that goes with that, while other wealthy countries don't. In national GDP terms the sums involved are irrelevant and would be be for pretty much any country. The inactions of others are not our responsibility.
Wombat3 said:
This is such rubbish, bordering on conspiracy theory.
Bullst, it is just a post you disagree with, without substance I might add. The UK has a developed vaccine and medical industry, developed healthcare and developed scientific advisory bodies. Countries with that can be expected to make better procurement decisions. The majority of the rest of the world does not have that. Wombat3 said:
The inactions of others are not our responsibility.
Full of compassion I see. So the people earning developing world incomes, say US5,000/year. In your world, lets just say tough luck to them even though that had no part whatever in making any decision which now makes them unable to receive a vaccine. Meanwhile you can have a third or fourth dose of a vaccine, which only requires two doses. Iminquarantine said:
Wombat3 said:
The inactions of others are not our responsibility.
Full of compassion I see. So the people earning developing world incomes, say US5,000/year. In your world, lets just say tough luck to them even though that had no part whatever in making any decision which now makes them unable to receive a vaccine. Meanwhile you can have a third or fourth dose of a vaccine, which only requires two doses. We are also not hording vaccines. What has been ordered and what has or ever will be delivered are two different things.
Then there is the money we have put into Covax, the money we have put into the R&D & production etc etc etc.
This country can hold its head very high in terms of what we have done in respect of making vaccination possible and available.
Flooble said:
21TonyK said:
60M Pfizer ordered for boosters in the Autumn.
Original formula too, so not to cater for variants. Not quite sure what the point is - unless they've got test results that the effectiveness declines at the six month mark so it's going to be four jabs a year forever. I don't pretend to understand it, but it seems the SA variant 'needs more antibodies' to kill off. That's OK, cause the immune response is such that it makes 'enough' anyway - but adding a 'booster' to counter any tailing off of that level of immune response is potentially a very workable idea.
Meanwhile, they're also looking at both variant updates (with problems compared to say the flu shot in modelling what will be needed) as well as 'pan-covid' global vaccines than can counter essentially any pertinent mutation.
Flooble said:
21TonyK said:
60M Pfizer ordered for boosters in the Autumn.
Original formula too, so not to cater for variants. Not quite sure what the point is - unless they've got test results that the effectiveness declines at the six month mark so it's going to be four jabs a year forever. Flooble said:
21TonyK said:
60M Pfizer ordered for boosters in the Autumn.
Original formula too, so not to cater for variants. Not quite sure what the point is - unless they've got test results that the effectiveness declines at the six month mark so it's going to be four jabs a year forever. Wombat3 said:
Such apologist nonsense. We are talking about national governments not getting their act together and somehow that is our fault? It was not complicated (ask the Israelis) - ring up a drug company and get your wallet out (and in national government terms the amounts of money required from it were/are minimal).
We are also not hording vaccines. What has been ordered and what has or ever will be delivered are two different things.
Then there is the money we have put into Covax, the money we have put into the R&D & production etc etc etc.
This country can hold its head very high in terms of what we have done in respect of making vaccination possible and available.
I see, so now I am not a conspiracy theorist, I am an apologist. The WHO itself has warned against vaccine nationalism and this was also reported in the British Medical Journal, including with the statement "At the WHO press conference on 29 January, a nurse from Pakistan and a midwife from Uganda pleaded for vaccine supplies. “They are right at the end of the queue,” said Michael Ryan, WHO executive director. “They see people at the top of the queue fighting about where they are in the line. It looks like fighting over the cake—when they don’t even have access to the crumbs,” he said, commenting on the vaccine row in Europe. “We all need to ask ourselves, ‘would I have the vaccine if I thought it meant a health worker in the south wouldn’t get that vaccine today?’ We all need to examine our own consciences, then tell our leaders what we want them to do.”"We are also not hording vaccines. What has been ordered and what has or ever will be delivered are two different things.
Then there is the money we have put into Covax, the money we have put into the R&D & production etc etc etc.
This country can hold its head very high in terms of what we have done in respect of making vaccination possible and available.
It has further warned of a "Catastrophic moral failure" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-55709428
Perhaps, as a person of incredible intellect and compassion yourself, you could write to Dr Tedros and explain to him that he is a conspiracy theorising apologist?
The number of UK manufactured vaccines which has been exported is not known, but is suspected to be zero (reference: https://fullfact.org/online/vaccine-export-eu/). In the aid supply to India this week, the number of vaccines in the aid package was zero (India does though have large scale domestic manufacturing)
Here is an article from The Lancet critical of the lip service wealthy countries are paying to Covax, which at this point in time has delivered less vaccines to all the countries receiving Covax aid, than have been given in the UK https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/...
Iminquarantine said:
Wombat3 said:
Such apologist nonsense. We are talking about national governments not getting their act together and somehow that is our fault? It was not complicated (ask the Israelis) - ring up a drug company and get your wallet out (and in national government terms the amounts of money required from it were/are minimal).
We are also not hording vaccines. What has been ordered and what has or ever will be delivered are two different things.
Then there is the money we have put into Covax, the money we have put into the R&D & production etc etc etc.
This country can hold its head very high in terms of what we have done in respect of making vaccination possible and available.
I see, so now I am not a conspiracy theorist, I am an apologist. The WHO itself has warned against vaccine nationalism and this was also reported in the British Medical Journal, including with the statement "At the WHO press conference on 29 January, a nurse from Pakistan and a midwife from Uganda pleaded for vaccine supplies. “They are right at the end of the queue,” said Michael Ryan, WHO executive director. “They see people at the top of the queue fighting about where they are in the line. It looks like fighting over the cake—when they don’t even have access to the crumbs,” he said, commenting on the vaccine row in Europe. “We all need to ask ourselves, ‘would I have the vaccine if I thought it meant a health worker in the south wouldn’t get that vaccine today?’ We all need to examine our own consciences, then tell our leaders what we want them to do.”"We are also not hording vaccines. What has been ordered and what has or ever will be delivered are two different things.
Then there is the money we have put into Covax, the money we have put into the R&D & production etc etc etc.
This country can hold its head very high in terms of what we have done in respect of making vaccination possible and available.
It has further warned of a "Catastrophic moral failure" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-55709428
Perhaps, as a person of incredible intellect and compassion yourself, you could write to Dr Tedros and explain to him that he is a conspiracy theorising apologist?
The number of UK manufactured vaccines which has been exported is not known, but is suspected to be zero (reference: https://fullfact.org/online/vaccine-export-eu/). In the aid supply to India this week, the number of vaccines in the aid package was zero (India does though have large scale domestic manufacturing)
Here is an article from The Lancet critical of the lip service wealthy countries are paying to Covax, which at this point in time has delivered less vaccines to all the countries receiving Covax aid, than have been given in the UK https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/...
We have pretty much hauled ourselves into the lifeboat. Do you seriously expect we are not now going to do more to help others where we can?
Or are you suggesting that perhaps we should have pushed them into the lifeboat first and drowned ourselves in the process (having built and paid for the damn lifeboat in the first place)!
Consider also that on a per capita basis this country has actually been one of the hardest hit countries in the world. Much worse than India for example. (reasons for that are an entirely different matter but the numbers are what they are).
Edited by Wombat3 on Thursday 29th April 00:08
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff