Is the end nigh for the Euro? [vol. 3]
Discussion
Blackpuddin said:
jsf said:
Blackpuddin said:
The BBC video of the event shows votes being put into redundant envelopes and people presumably employed to carefully scribe down copious notes in big books. No wonder they're bloody skint. Come on guys, smell the 21st century! Or the 20th at least.
That's exactly how we vote in the UK.The envelope is serving the function of the opaque box, hiding your vote from any watching eyes.
Its just another way of doing the same thing and at least shows you that your vote made it into the box without some shenanigans going on with false slots in their boxes. That may be an important issue for the population of that country.
0a said:
The bbc news 24 coverage is pretty poor - bloody Vicky Pryce, and a screen grab of a bbc website instead of actual graphics for the results.
Evening Da, shows how poor the BBC have become at covering news. I suspect the current trend to millions not renewing their TV licence because they never watch live TV is the thin end of the wedge for the BBC. Too many years of millionaire making and poor management. Blackpuddin said:
This whole referendum thing is a farce, a total abrogation of responsibility by an elected government and a shameful exercise in hand-washing that once again shows politicians up as the weasels who never lose. The BBC video of the event shows votes being put into redundant envelopes and people presumably employed to carefully scribe down copious notes in big books. No wonder they're bloody skint. Come on guys, smell the 21st century! Or the 20th at least.
Or its democracy in action? Let the people decide - the fact they dont know what they've voted on is neither here nor there - but getting a rejection of austerity from the people puts the Eurcrats in a very difficult position. Nobody in the IMF, Germany or the ECB is going to publicly denounce a democratic decision made by the people, and so it shoots a massive hole in their battleship.
It will either end up that Europe rolls over and accepts whatever Greek proposal is on the table, or both parties cant agree and go their own way. Either way, the Greeks win.
davepoth said:
Interesting that the result is skewing more towards "OXI" as we go along - I guess urban areas reported first, and the rural areas are more strongly anti?
I expect Government employee votes are counted 1st, very efficient.Now if they had a referendum each week:
Will we work harder from now on?
Will we agree to retire at the same age as the Germans? - after all, we are healthy -more sun, more olive oil, olympian mentality.
Will we pay our taxes in full?
Will we reduce the size of government?
Etc
More Oxi, I expect.
jsf said:
AJS- said:
God I do hope the end is nigh and the wheels are finallyl falling off this miserable, destructive and downright dangerous project of European Union.
Not a chance of that. It will take a war to kill off the EU political project.davepoth said:
jsf said:
AJS- said:
God I do hope the end is nigh and the wheels are finallyl falling off this miserable, destructive and downright dangerous project of European Union.
Not a chance of that. It will take a war to kill off the EU political project.The big mistake in all this has always been going beyond a trade agreement. As soon as you get political egos building thiefdoms you get chaos.
jsf said:
Blackpuddin said:
jsf said:
Blackpuddin said:
The BBC video of the event shows votes being put into redundant envelopes and people presumably employed to carefully scribe down copious notes in big books. No wonder they're bloody skint. Come on guys, smell the 21st century! Or the 20th at least.
That's exactly how we vote in the UK.The envelope is serving the function of the opaque box, hiding your vote from any watching eyes.
Its just another way of doing the same thing and at least shows you that your vote made it into the box without some shenanigans going on with false slots in their boxes. That may be an important issue for the population of that country.
jsf said:
davepoth said:
jsf said:
AJS- said:
God I do hope the end is nigh and the wheels are finallyl falling off this miserable, destructive and downright dangerous project of European Union.
Not a chance of that. It will take a war to kill off the EU political project.The big mistake in all this has always been going beyond a trade agreement. As soon as you get political egos building thiefdoms you get chaos.
But yes, once you get one country leave it encourages all the others. Interestingly this was said by some Euro MP recently
'The euro is not irreversible just by saying it, just by writing it in a contract," one says. "The euro is irreversible only if politicians do everything to make it irreversible and to guarantee that national parliaments live up to their responsibilities.
"Of course a country can leave if it wants to leave. The national sovereignty is still there – we are not a political union.'
Which is an change of rhetoric from what things were 12 months ago. The reality of the EU project, along with a rise in nationalism and EU sceptic parties are starting to bite I think.
Blackpuddin said:
jsf said:
Blackpuddin said:
jsf said:
Blackpuddin said:
The BBC video of the event shows votes being put into redundant envelopes and people presumably employed to carefully scribe down copious notes in big books. No wonder they're bloody skint. Come on guys, smell the 21st century! Or the 20th at least.
That's exactly how we vote in the UK.The envelope is serving the function of the opaque box, hiding your vote from any watching eyes.
Its just another way of doing the same thing and at least shows you that your vote made it into the box without some shenanigans going on with false slots in their boxes. That may be an important issue for the population of that country.
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