How do we think EU negotiations will go? (Vol 11)

[Mr Penfold]

Nickgnome said:

Mr Penfold said:

So you changed to an uncertain future a month before we were leaving the EU with no deal in march but that is somebody else fault?

What a wicked thing to say, particularly as most of the Brexit posters here and Brexit supporting politicians and media at the time were all starting there was little risk and only upsides.

Now when it turns out that advice was blatantly untrue you have the audacity to criticise a guy who thought he was doing the right thing for his family.

Did you bother to check the fixed parliament act btw as you have yet to substantiate your position?

Not wicked just factual in February we had no idea what would happen and as far as we know no deal would happen in March so not the best time for a career change if you believe no deal would harm the new position.

I had a similar opportunity to move abroad for a well-paid job doing exactly what I had done all my life but turned it down as their main customer was an automotive plant whose future was uncertain, it closed two years later so my thinking was correct.

I replied to your parliament post.

[psi310398]

DeepEnd said:

There was a GP on LBC (Shelagh) saying no deal will “undoubtedly” kill someone.

Presumably Doctors are not on the list of people to listen to. Metro elite “undoubtedly”.

Hmm. In other contexts, of course, doctors get the blame for killing quite a lot of people. There’s even a word for it - Iatrogenesis

[Groat]

alfie2244 said:

Groat said:

I know I should know this, but are you saying that the only way to get rid of sidicks/golf_addict is to report him?

Are you sure?

Don't the mods just spot him and hook him out?

That is my understanding.....but I do think Sidicks admits who he is when outed unlike others (i.e Mr "I always answer Questions") so makes it a bit easier for the Mods........but could be wrong.

I think the bit where he accepts he's 'outed' is pretty recent. But given he knows about the multiple ID rule, why does he do it? And, above all, why does he do it again and again and again and again and again and again.....

....isn't that supposed to be indicative of insanity?

[Not-The-Messiah]

Tony427 said:

Anyone else hear the loony on Jeremy Vine today?

He was so scared of food shortages post Brexit he was stockpiling tinned goods, especially beans.

He was also saying that some of his friends expected to die because of drugs shortages.

They gave this idiot airtime.

He's not on here is he?


Cheers,

Tony

This rolling coverage of the very worst case scenario irrespective of the actual likelihood of it happening and what it actually means. Is absolutely irresponsible nonsense.

This food shortage stuff, it's a possible shortage of particular products no one is going to starve. Is like if the walkers crisp factory burns down tomorrow officially we could have a food shortage but it's only a shortage of walkers crisps.

Another story in the news today is the increase in measles. What the BBC and other media are doing with this constant unlikely worse case scenario headlines of brexit is like having headlines saying things like "The measles vaccine could give your children Seizures and could even kill them by an Allergic reaction". It's a factual statement but it's highly unlikely worse case scenario and to publish something like it would rightly be seen as irresponsible and scaremongering. But we are seeing it almost everyday now.

Edited by Not-The-Messiah on Monday 19th August 19:18

[anonymous-user]

amusingduck said:

what's the point of that edit? No point softening the blow, just say what you mean

Ok I think you and subsequent posters have proven to be massive pricks as regards the position taken when corresponding with somebody who says he is potentially losing his job as a corollary of Brexit.

I have little doubt people here wouldn’t express themselves in such a way if this was a discussion in a pub.

ETA - you have to be one seriously fked up individual to take to the internet and write “boo fking hoo” under a man’s post bemoaning his potential loss of livelihood because he voted a different way to you.

These are the type of neanderthals who make it easy for people to cast insults at the hardcore leave faction.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 19th August 19:24

[Earthdweller]

Not-The-Messiah said:

Tony427 said:

Anyone else hear the loony on Jeremy Vine today?

He was so scared of food shortages post Brexit he was stockpiling tinned goods, especially beans.

He was also saying that some of his friends expected to die because of drugs shortages.

They gave this idiot airtime.

He's not on here is he?


Cheers,

Tony

This rolling coverage of the very worst case scenario irrespective of the actual likelihood of it happening and what it actually means. Is absolutely irresponsible nonsense.

This food shortage stuff, it's a possible shortage of particular products no one is going to starve. Is like if the walkers crisp factory burns down tomorrow officially we could have a food shortage but it's only a shortage of walkers crisps.

Another story in the news today is the increase in measles. What the BBC and other media are doing with this constant unlikely worse case scenario headlines of brexit is like having headlines saying things like "The measles vaccine could give your children Seizures and could even kill them by an Allergic reaction". It's a factual statement but it's highly unlikely worse case scenario and to publish something like it would rightly be seen as irresponsible and scaremongering.

And most likely very counterproductive

[Nickgnome]

Mr Penfold said:

Not wicked just factual in February we had no idea what would happen and as far as we know no deal would happen in March so not the best time for a career change if you believe no deal would harm the new position.

I had a similar opportunity to move abroad for a well-paid job doing exactly what I had done all my life but turned it down as their main customer was an automotive plant whose future was uncertain, it closed two years later so my thinking was correct.

I replied to your parliament post.

I have seen and replied to your response, thank you.

Not everyone has the insight and it would be hard to deny the overly rosy picture painted by leave supporters thus misleading many people including* leave voters. There are certainly many on local forums who still believe there is no downside at all.

Perhaps the purchasing of diesel cars is not such a bad analogy. Were the public misled?

[alfie2244]

Groat said:

alfie2244 said:

Groat said:

I know I should know this, but are you saying that the only way to get rid of sidicks/golf_addict is to report him?

Are you sure?

Don't the mods just spot him and hook him out?

That is my understanding.....but I do think Sidicks admits who he is when outed unlike others (i.e Mr "I always answer Questions") so makes it a bit easier for the Mods........but could be wrong.

I think the bit where he accepts he's 'outed' is pretty recent. But given he knows about the multiple ID rule, why does he do it? And, above all, why does he do it again and again and again and again and again and again.....

....isn't that supposed to be indicative of insanity?

No idea why he bothers but then why are any of us on here typing to "strangers"?....... I just don't understand why some people hound, and appear to hate, him with such passion? Bloody irritating sometimes, as am I and many others, but I have never seen him post what I would consider "viscous / nasty" attacks on anyone.....I can't say the same about some other "returnees"....

I'd propose a truce......everyone out themselves and then start with a clean slate.....but can't see that happening though

[Mr Penfold]

Nickgnome said:

Mr Penfold said:

Not wicked just factual in February we had no idea what would happen and as far as we know no deal would happen in March so not the best time for a career change if you believe no deal would harm the new position.

I had a similar opportunity to move abroad for a well-paid job doing exactly what I had done all my life but turned it down as their main customer was an automotive plant whose future was uncertain, it closed two years later so my thinking was correct.

I replied to your parliament post.

I have seen and replied to your response, thank you.

Not everyone has the insight and it would be hard to deny the overly rosy picture painted by leave supporters thus misleading many people including* leave voters. There are certainly many on local forums who still believe there is no downside at all.

Perhaps the purchasing of diesel cars is not such a bad analogy. Were the public misled?

There would be significant downsides of no deal, no argument from me there, but we must leave, democracy must win. Myself I would have prefered a single market and customs union but the PM drew red lines.

Have people been misled, no the scaremongering has been incessant from the start, remainers have ensured that every single dooms day scenario was covered

[anonymous-user]

alfie2244 said:

No idea why he bothers but then why are any of us on here typing to "strangers"?....... I just don't understand why some people hound, and appear to hate, him with such passion? Bloody irritating sometimes, as am I and many others, but I have never seen him post what I would consider "viscous / nasty" attacks on anyone.....I can't say the same about some other "returnees"....

I'd propose a truce......everyone out themselves and then start with a clean slate.....but can't see that happening though

Ok can I start the outing ?

You’re Alf Garnett.

[alfie2244]

Brooking10 said:

alfie2244 said:

No idea why he bothers but then why are any of us on here typing to "strangers"?....... I just don't understand why some people hound, and appear to hate, him with such passion? Bloody irritating sometimes, as am I and many others, but I have never seen him post what I would consider "viscous / nasty" attacks on anyone.....I can't say the same about some other "returnees"....

I'd propose a truce......everyone out themselves and then start with a clean slate.....but can't see that happening though

Ok can I start the outing ?

You’re Alf Garnett.

But I know you are not Trevor brooking 1) because I have met him. 2) He's a nice bloke.

I reckon you are Flashman fro Tom Brown's Schooldays.

X'd with Wilfred Bramble & Victor Meldrew.

[Nickgnome]

Mr Penfold said:

There would be significant downsides of no deal, no argument from me there, but we must leave, democracy must win. Myself I would have prefered a single market and customs union but the PM drew red lines.

Have people been misled, no the scaremongering has been incessant from the start, remainers have ensured that every single dooms day scenario was covered

Every one of which has been denied by leave supporters until now, they do not even recognise that the economy has already been impacted.

There is an unnerving silence from some leading brexiteers and Gove and Johnson are trying to put a brave face on a very unsatisfactory situation.

I fully expect that leading brexiteers are already looking to sight the global downturn for any issues with the UK economy.

[Tankrizzo]

lrdisco said:

So I’ve checked no PM or emails.
I’m a builder through and through so difficult to change too much.

Not one response has answered my initial post.
You Brexit supporters have not even said sorry mate.
I’ll help or given me an answer.
Please feel free to contact me. I’m here. I’m not a key board warrior like a lot here.
I’m open with people. Again look at JulianPH swimming pool thread. I’m real I hurt. I have a family that your decision will hurt. I will answer any real questions happily.
My knees and shoulders are foooked. I can’t go back to bricklaying.
Tell me please how Brexit is good for me. Tell me how removing the right to travel and work in the EU from my children is a good thing.
All that have benefited from the EU please explain to me how loosing rights is good.

I won't apologise for my vote - the reasons were multivaried and wider than this aspect - but I am genuinely sorry you're going to lose your job and hope you find something soon. FWIW a decent builder is worth their weight in gold, so word of mouth might do you just fine.

[Mr Penfold]

Nickgnome said:

Mr Penfold said:

There would be significant downsides of no deal, no argument from me there, but we must leave, democracy must win. Myself I would have prefered a single market and customs union but the PM drew red lines.

Have people been misled, no the scaremongering has been incessant from the start, remainers have ensured that every single dooms day scenario was covered

Every one of which has been denied by leave supporters until now, they do not even recognise that the economy has already been impacted.

There is an unnerving silence from some leading brexiteers and Gove and Johnson are trying to put a brave face on a very unsatisfactory situation.

I fully expect that leading brexiteers are already looking to sight the global downturn for any issues with the UK economy.

I don't think anybody has ever claimed it would be sunshine and roses from the start, a short term impact is a pretty much universal thought, how deep is the arguing point

[alfie2244]

Tankrizzo said:

I won't apologise for my vote - the reasons were multivaried and wider than this aspect - but I am genuinely sorry you're going to lose your job and hope you find something soon. FWIW a decent builder is worth their weight in gold, so word of mouth might do you just fine.

I concur..............just to add that if he was responsible for the 3 week swimming pool build then I am shocked he isn't inundated with work.

[amusingduck]

Brooking10 said:

amusingduck said:

what's the point of that edit? No point softening the blow, just say what you mean

Ok I think you and subsequent posters have proven to be massive pricks as regards the position taken when corresponding with somebody who says he is potentially losing his job as a corollary of Brexit.

I have little doubt people here wouldn’t express themselves in such a way if this was a discussion in a pub.

ETA - you have to be one seriously fked up individual to take to the internet and write “boo fking hoo” under a man’s post bemoaning his potential loss of livelihood because he voted a different way to you.

These are the type of neanderthals who make it easy for people to cast insults at the hardcore leave faction.

Edited by Brooking10 on Monday 19th August 19:24

The position taken was in response to someone losing their job and saying this is your fault, explain yourself.

I highly doubt that if this were a pub, someone would announce to half the pub/table that it's their fault, and would you like to come and explain to my children what the fk you thought you were playing at, balls to all of you.

I have every sympathy for people who will go through hardship as a result of this change. It evaporates once they take the stance lrdisco has.

[Earthdweller]

Mr Penfold said:

Nickgnome said:

Mr Penfold said:

Not wicked just factual in February we had no idea what would happen and as far as we know no deal would happen in March so not the best time for a career change if you believe no deal would harm the new position.

I had a similar opportunity to move abroad for a well-paid job doing exactly what I had done all my life but turned it down as their main customer was an automotive plant whose future was uncertain, it closed two years later so my thinking was correct.

I replied to your parliament post.

I have seen and replied to your response, thank you.

Not everyone has the insight and it would be hard to deny the overly rosy picture painted by leave supporters thus misleading many people including* leave voters. There are certainly many on local forums who still believe there is no downside at all.

Perhaps the purchasing of diesel cars is not such a bad analogy. Were the public misled?

There would be significant downsides of no deal, no argument from me there, but we must leave, democracy must win. Myself I would have prefered a single market and customs union but the PM drew red lines.

Have people been misled, no the scaremongering has been incessant from the start, remainers have ensured that every single dooms day scenario was covered

My vote is for certainty not uncertainty

With the former I can plan and deal with the issues it presents

Another 3 years of this .... no way

[anonymous-user]

alfie2244 said:

Brooking10 said:

alfie2244 said:

No idea why he bothers but then why are any of us on here typing to "strangers"?....... I just don't understand why some people hound, and appear to hate, him with such passion? Bloody irritating sometimes, as am I and many others, but I have never seen him post what I would consider "viscous / nasty" attacks on anyone.....I can't say the same about some other "returnees"....

I'd propose a truce......everyone out themselves and then start with a clean slate.....but can't see that happening though

Ok can I start the outing ?

You’re Alf Garnett.

But I know you are not Trevor brooking 1) because I have met him. 2) He's a nice bloke.

I reckon you are Flashman fro Tom Brown's Schooldays.

X'd with Wilfred Bramble & Victor Meldrew.

He's a lovely bloke, got his picture on my desk a couple of shirts on my wall and met him several times.

Funnily enough Steptoe is how I see Goon. Not sure about the cottaging convictions though.

Victor's got a few decades on me, there is an awful lot that some of you lot write that causes me to utter his immortal phrase.

[anonymous-user]

amusingduck said:

Brooking10 said:

amusingduck said:

what's the point of that edit? No point softening the blow, just say what you mean

Ok I think you and subsequent posters have proven to be massive pricks as regards the position taken when corresponding with somebody who says he is potentially losing his job as a corollary of Brexit.

I have little doubt people here wouldn’t express themselves in such a way if this was a discussion in a pub.

ETA - you have to be one seriously fked up individual to take to the internet and write “boo fking hoo” under a man’s post bemoaning his potential loss of livelihood because he voted a different way to you.

These are the type of neanderthals who make it easy for people to cast insults at the hardcore leave faction.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 19th August 19:24

The position taken was in response to someone losing their job and saying this is your fault, explain yourself.

I highly doubt that if this were a pub, someone would announce to half the pub/table that it's their fault, and would you like to come and explain to my children what the fk you thought you were playing at, balls to all of you.

I have every sympathy for people who will go through hardship as a result of this change. It evaporates once they take the stance lrdisco has.

I know on PH everybody likes to think binary and say "but that wouldn't happen though" but ......

Alternatively you could act like most decent blokes would and appreciate that there is a degree of underlying emotion involved.

I know PH is a bit of a hard knocks place and we're all either extremely tough or highly principled or impervious to what others might think but sometimes it's just better to say nothing.

[alfie2244]

Brooking10 said:

He's a lovely bloke, got his picture on my desk a couple of shirts on my wall and met him several times.

Funnily enough Steptoe is how I see Goon. Not sure about the cottaging convictions though.

Victor's got a few decades on me, there is an awful lot that some of you lot write that causes me to utter his immortal phrase.

Agreed.

Cottaging?

More tea Margaret?