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Carl_Manchester said:
It’s a shame our in-house righteous warriors were not as vocal for the other 300 pages of this thread.
If you read the last ten pages it’s as if the storming of congress apparently has nothing to do with the other 290 pages of riot preceding it.
I think it's clear that the Washington rioters have been whipped into a frenzy by trump's relentless lying about the election results. The is the crux of it, he's managed to make them sincerely believe it was stolen, and he has deliberately and consistently played on their anger and stupidity.If you read the last ten pages it’s as if the storming of congress apparently has nothing to do with the other 290 pages of riot preceding it.
HM-2 said:
Liokault said:
I don’t think one person there realistically thought that they could effect long (or even really short) term change.
Then, not to put too fine a point on it, you'd be wrong.Carl_Manchester said:
It’s a shame our in-house righteous warriors were not as vocal for the other 300 pages of this thread.
If you read the last ten pages it’s as if the storming of congress apparently has nothing to do with the other 290 pages of riot preceding it.
It doesn't. Both are criminal, but the trigger is different things.If you read the last ten pages it’s as if the storming of congress apparently has nothing to do with the other 290 pages of riot preceding it.
The perpetrators of the riots (not protests) need to be in Jail. The perpetrators of the insurrection (not pitch invasion) need to be in Jail.
98elise said:
Carl_Manchester said:
It’s a shame our in-house righteous warriors were not as vocal for the other 300 pages of this thread.
If you read the last ten pages it’s as if the storming of congress apparently has nothing to do with the other 290 pages of riot preceding it.
It doesn't. Both are criminal, but the trigger is different things.If you read the last ten pages it’s as if the storming of congress apparently has nothing to do with the other 290 pages of riot preceding it.
The perpetrators of the riots (not protests) need to be in Jail. The perpetrators of the insurrection (not pitch invasion) need to be in Jail.
Not sure what term of "perpetrator" you are wishing to infer in your reply above but those who instigate/organise/facilitate riots should be as much to blame as those who conduct riots.
If one political swing is seemingly allowed to proceed then 'balance' should dictate it should be allowed for both left and right - but of course that isn't logic nor the right thing to have, so if right wing riot instigators are to be prosecuted, then of course so should left wing riot instigators. (Which include many of those Demoprats that 'allowed' and even facilitated the riots which are covered in the previous many pages of this thread).
Edited by GroundZero on Friday 15th January 11:53
paulguitar said:
I think it's clear that the Washington rioters have been whipped into a frenzy by trump's relentless lying about the election results. The is the crux of it, he's managed to make them sincerely believe it was stolen, and he has deliberately and consistently played on their anger and stupidity.
And elements of the left have taken Pelosi's tweets to heart and caused 4 years of trouble because she said the election was stolen.But somehow that will be different in some people's eyes because of their political bias.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13732187/nancy-pelos...
dudleybloke said:
And elements of the left have taken Pelosi's tweets to heart and caused 4 years of trouble because she said the election was stolen.
Difference is that evidence of direct foreign state interference with the 2016 election is plentiful and cannot be legitimately contested. It's not, as is the case with Trump's claims, absolute bunk.HM-2 said:
dudleybloke said:
And elements of the left have taken Pelosi's tweets to heart and caused 4 years of trouble because she said the election was stolen.
Difference is that evidence of direct foreign state interference with the 2016 election is plentiful and cannot be legitimately contested. It's not, as is the case with Trump's claims, absolute bunk.There is at least as clear evidence of Biden taking money from China (flying his son to China on airforce 2 and getting a big cut of the very vague but huge cash deal that resulted).
Can we talk about Eric Swalwell being an impeachment manager yet? Does he still have his CCP handler in tow?
Liokault said:
Well yes, it can and has been contested.
There is at least as clear evidence of Biden taking money from China (flying his son to China on airforce 2 and getting a big cut of the very vague but huge cash deal that resulted).
Can we talk about Eric Swalwell being an impeachment manager yet? Does he still have his CCP handler in tow?
This clear evidence?There is at least as clear evidence of Biden taking money from China (flying his son to China on airforce 2 and getting a big cut of the very vague but huge cash deal that resulted).
Can we talk about Eric Swalwell being an impeachment manager yet? Does he still have his CCP handler in tow?
It seems that, no matter how often something is shown to be complete rubbish, people still believe it.
Countdown said:
Liokault said:
Well yes, it can and has been contested.
There is at least as clear evidence of Biden taking money from China (flying his son to China on airforce 2 and getting a big cut of the very vague but huge cash deal that resulted).
Can we talk about Eric Swalwell being an impeachment manager yet? Does he still have his CCP handler in tow?
This clear evidence?There is at least as clear evidence of Biden taking money from China (flying his son to China on airforce 2 and getting a big cut of the very vague but huge cash deal that resulted).
Can we talk about Eric Swalwell being an impeachment manager yet? Does he still have his CCP handler in tow?
It seems that, no matter how often something is shown to be complete rubbish, people still believe it.
Liokault said:
Well yes, it can and has been contested.
Not by anyone with a grasp of the facts, it hasn't.Liokault said:
There is at least as clear evidence of Biden
Thankfully, painfully obvious deflection attempts don't work on me.
Liokault said:
No, you have just found a link that supports your bias.
Conversely, you haven't presented any at all, biased or otherwise, that support your assertions.Edited by HM-2 on Friday 15th January 12:42
Carl_Manchester said:
It’s a shame our in-house righteous warriors were not as vocal for the other 300 pages of this thread.
If you read the last ten pages it’s as if the storming of congress apparently has nothing to do with the other 290 pages of riot preceding it.
Ah carls old chestnut...If you read the last ten pages it’s as if the storming of congress apparently has nothing to do with the other 290 pages of riot preceding it.
How about the trump supporting media -leading up to 6th Jan
https://twitter.com/i/status/1349732479440048135
An AP review of public records, social media and videos finds at least 21 current or former members of U.S. military or law enforcement have been ID'd as being at or near the Capitol riot, with more than a dozen others suspected of having such ties.
As President Donald Trump’s supporters massed outside the Capitol last week and sang the national anthem, a line of men wearing olive-drab helmets and body armor trudged purposefully up the marble stairs in a single-file line, each man holding the jacket collar of the one ahead.
The formation, known as “Ranger File,” is standard operating procedure for a combat team that is “stacking up” to breach a building — instantly recognizable to any U.S. soldier or Marine who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was a chilling sign that many at the vanguard of the mob that stormed the seat of American democracy either had military training or were trained by those who did.
An Associated Press review of public records, social media posts and videos shows at least 21 current or former members of the U.S. military or law enforcement have been identified as being at or near the Capitol riot, with more than a dozen others under investigation but not yet named. In many cases, those who stormed the Capitol appeared to employ tactics, body armor and technology such as two-way radio headsets that were similar to those of the very police they were confronting.
Experts in homegrown extremism have warned for years about efforts by far-right militants and white-supremacist groups to radicalize and recruit people with military and law enforcement training, and they say the Jan. 6 insurrection that left five people dead saw some of their worst fears realized.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-capitol-si...
The AP’s review of hundreds of videos and photos from the insurrectionist riot shows scores of people mixed in the crowd who were wearing military-style gear, including helmets, body armor, rucksacks and two-way radios. Dozens carried canisters of bear spray, baseball bats, hockey sticks and pro-Trump flags attached to stout poles later used to bash police officers.
As President Donald Trump’s supporters massed outside the Capitol last week and sang the national anthem, a line of men wearing olive-drab helmets and body armor trudged purposefully up the marble stairs in a single-file line, each man holding the jacket collar of the one ahead.
The formation, known as “Ranger File,” is standard operating procedure for a combat team that is “stacking up” to breach a building — instantly recognizable to any U.S. soldier or Marine who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was a chilling sign that many at the vanguard of the mob that stormed the seat of American democracy either had military training or were trained by those who did.
An Associated Press review of public records, social media posts and videos shows at least 21 current or former members of the U.S. military or law enforcement have been identified as being at or near the Capitol riot, with more than a dozen others under investigation but not yet named. In many cases, those who stormed the Capitol appeared to employ tactics, body armor and technology such as two-way radio headsets that were similar to those of the very police they were confronting.
Experts in homegrown extremism have warned for years about efforts by far-right militants and white-supremacist groups to radicalize and recruit people with military and law enforcement training, and they say the Jan. 6 insurrection that left five people dead saw some of their worst fears realized.
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-capitol-si...
The AP’s review of hundreds of videos and photos from the insurrectionist riot shows scores of people mixed in the crowd who were wearing military-style gear, including helmets, body armor, rucksacks and two-way radios. Dozens carried canisters of bear spray, baseball bats, hockey sticks and pro-Trump flags attached to stout poles later used to bash police officers.
Liokault said:
The bottom line is that Biden flew his son to China on an official aircraft...
The bottom line is that Joe Biden, his son Hunter and his granddaughter all few China on the same aircraft, with a large press following and security detail.Factcheck said:
In December 2013, Hunter Biden and one of his daughters flew on Air Force Two with Joe Biden to China, where the elder Biden was on a diplomatic mission. Hunter Biden’s attorney, George Mesires, told the New York Times that Hunter Biden went along because his daughter had been invited and needed a chaperone.
It's not unusual for family members to accompany Presidents and Vice Presidents on trips.Liokault said:
Hunter came back with a 10% stake in a billion dollar company...these are basic facts.
That's not a fact.FactCheck said:
“BHR (Shanghai) Equity Investment Fund Management Company (‘BHR’) is an investment management company that was formed in 2013,” George Mesires told us via email. “Hunter did not form BHR, was not an initial owner of BHR, and did not own any interest in BHR until October 2017, after his father had left government service. BHR was capitalized with approximately $4.2 million USD from various sources, not $1.5 billion. Hunter did not acquire any interest in BHR until October 2017 when he acquired a 10% interest, which has a $420,000 capital commitment.”
So quite some time after that trip, and after his father has left office, he acquired a 10% stake in what was then a $4.2m fund.Evanivitch said:
Liokault said:
The bottom line is that Biden flew his son to China on an official aircraft...
The bottom line is that Joe Biden, his son Hunter and his granddaughter all few China on the same aircraft, with a large press following and security detail.Factcheck said:
In December 2013, Hunter Biden and one of his daughters flew on Air Force Two with Joe Biden to China, where the elder Biden was on a diplomatic mission. Hunter Biden’s attorney, George Mesires, told the New York Times that Hunter Biden went along because his daughter had been invited and needed a chaperone.
It's not unusual for family members to accompany Presidents and Vice Presidents on trips.Liokault said:
Hunter came back with a 10% stake in a billion dollar company...these are basic facts.
That's not a fact.FactCheck said:
“BHR (Shanghai) Equity Investment Fund Management Company (‘BHR’) is an investment management company that was formed in 2013,” George Mesires told us via email. “Hunter did not form BHR, was not an initial owner of BHR, and did not own any interest in BHR until October 2017, after his father had left government service. BHR was capitalized with approximately $4.2 million USD from various sources, not $1.5 billion. Hunter did not acquire any interest in BHR until October 2017 when he acquired a 10% interest, which has a $420,000 capital commitment.”
So quite some time after that trip, and after his father has left office, he acquired a 10% stake in what was then a $4.2m fund.A few bits you missed:
« Although Hunter Biden told the New Yorker he conducted no business while in China, he did arrange for a photo op with Li and his father, Joe Biden, in a hotel lobby. Hunter Biden told the New Yorker that the meeting with Li, who would soon after become CEO of BHR, was purely social, and that he did not meet with any Chinese government officials
BHR’s initial formation documents were filed in November 2013 — the month before the China trip — but that the business was officially launched with a business license issued 10 days after the visit. Hunter Biden was named to its board of directors. »
So he did do business on the trip. He came away, over time, with 10% of what is now a multi billion dollar fund.
I’m finding this really weird, I’m not even pro trump, I’m just against obvious bias...everything that agrees with your stance is amplified any thing that is counter your stance is ignored.
AW111 said:
If Trump had appointed competent people to draft legislation, his admin wouldn't have lost so many court cases.
One defining feature of the Trump administration is the amount of sloppy, slipshod legislation he tried to introduce.
I believe that most of the legislation was already in place, Trump just wanted it enforced.One defining feature of the Trump administration is the amount of sloppy, slipshod legislation he tried to introduce.
He did try and overturn DACA, which was Obama deciding that certain children were immune from immigration law.
NMNeil said:
AW111 said:
If Trump had appointed competent people to draft legislation, his admin wouldn't have lost so many court cases.
One defining feature of the Trump administration is the amount of sloppy, slipshod legislation he tried to introduce.
I believe that most of the legislation was already in place, Trump just wanted it enforced.One defining feature of the Trump administration is the amount of sloppy, slipshod legislation he tried to introduce.
He did try and overturn DACA, which was Obama deciding that certain children were immune from immigration law.
Interview with one of the blue lives who apparently didn't matter:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/status/13...
But let's talk about anything but the insurrection, right?
https://mobile.twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/status/13...
But let's talk about anything but the insurrection, right?
Liokault said:
I think we are reading the same fact check website.
A few bits you missed:
« Although Hunter Biden told the New Yorker he conducted no business while in China, he did arrange for a photo op with Li and his father, Joe Biden, in a hotel lobby. Hunter Biden told the New Yorker that the meeting with Li, who would soon after become CEO of BHR, was purely social, and that he did not meet with any Chinese government officials
BHR’s initial formation documents were filed in November 2013 — the month before the China trip — but that the business was officially launched with a business license issued 10 days after the visit. Hunter Biden was named to its board of directors. »
So he did do business on the trip. He came away, over time, with 10% of what is now a multi billion dollar fund.
I’m finding this really weird, I’m not even pro trump, I’m just against obvious bias...everything that agrees with your stance is amplified any thing that is counter your stance is ignored.
Because the accusations you make are inconsistent, which is why I provided specific quotes to those false statements.A few bits you missed:
« Although Hunter Biden told the New Yorker he conducted no business while in China, he did arrange for a photo op with Li and his father, Joe Biden, in a hotel lobby. Hunter Biden told the New Yorker that the meeting with Li, who would soon after become CEO of BHR, was purely social, and that he did not meet with any Chinese government officials
BHR’s initial formation documents were filed in November 2013 — the month before the China trip — but that the business was officially launched with a business license issued 10 days after the visit. Hunter Biden was named to its board of directors. »
So he did do business on the trip. He came away, over time, with 10% of what is now a multi billion dollar fund.
I’m finding this really weird, I’m not even pro trump, I’m just against obvious bias...everything that agrees with your stance is amplified any thing that is counter your stance is ignored.
You can keep ignoring that the investment wasn't made until after Joe Biden left office.
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