Clarkson: Racist

[Mr Snap]

otolith said:

FredClogs said:

otolith said:

FredClogs said:

Any word can be used in a derogatory manner, you great big potato head, and in 99% of cases context is everything, but some words such as this carry a weight of cultural baggage which puts them into a bracket of being taboo regardless of context, thankfully most people recognise this.

But that's bks, isn't it? Because the word isn't taboo within some African American subcultures, which is the point the chap you replied to was making.

It's pretty much exclusively taboo in the UK. You may be an American or reside in America, but I doubt it otherwise you'd have a deeper understanding of why the ownership of the word was passed to the Black community.

Two countries separated by a common language.

So there are not people in the UK who have picked up the usage of the word in those subcultures and do not consider it taboo?

So I could not walk into a mainstream record shop in the UK and buy a record which uses the word liberally?

Popular culture and language overlap massively between the US and the UK.

Yep, but you wouldn't march up to the counter and ask for some music, would you?

(Mainstream record shop! How very 20th century).

[shakotan]

“If you're offended by any word in any language, it’s probably because your parents were unfit to raise a child. They were too stupid, they should have been neutered, because all it is is a sound you can make with your mouth! It’s not a weakness that you have naturally. When you come out of that pink ugly hole onto this planet, you're nothing but a gooey, shrinking, wrinkled ball of weakness. That’s all you are: you're weak, you're nothing but weak, and your parents look at that, and they think, “Not weak enough! We can make this thing even weaker by training it to react poorly to different sounds that you can make with your mouth.” We'll list them out, this is the worst thing, if anyone ever says this sound: [unintelligible gibberish], that’s the worst thing they can call you, so make sure to recoil and cry, and be hurt and devastated, and eat ice cream on a couch for days, and then write a song about it. You wouldn't do that otherwise, you'd just be happy if your parents didn't fk it up. You'd just be a happier person...."
— Doug Stanhope

[SilverSixer]

Hackney said:

SilverSixer said:

Look, will someone please address the real point: who is it that supports Chelsea? Piers Morgan or Jeremy Clarkson? Someone was talking about that a few pages back and it wasn't clear who they meant.

That's what I want to get really offended about.

Let's get some perspective and address the real issues, please.

JC. Mn is a Gooner. (but Arsenal fans all hate him for the bks he talks about football)

Oh my God.

Oh my GOD.

Oh my God.

I am truly disturbed by that. Any evidence (he asks, clutching at straws)? Isn't Clarkson a Yorkshireman? Isn't he supposed to hate football? Learning Sean Lock was a dog track botherer was bad, this would rank as an equal low if proven.

[FredClogs]

shakotan said:

“If you're offended by any word in any language, it’s probably because your parents were unfit to raise a child. They were too stupid, they should have been neutered, because all it is is a sound you can make with your mouth! It’s not a weakness that you have naturally. When you come out of that pink ugly hole onto this planet, you're nothing but a gooey, shrinking, wrinkled ball of weakness. That’s all you are: you're weak, you're nothing but weak, and your parents look at that, and they think, “Not weak enough! We can make this thing even weaker by training it to react poorly to different sounds that you can make with your mouth.” We'll list them out, this is the worst thing, if anyone ever says this sound: [unintelligible gibberish], that’s the worst thing they can call you, so make sure to recoil and cry, and be hurt and devastated, and eat ice cream on a couch for days, and then write a song about it. You wouldn't do that otherwise, you'd just be happy if your parents didn't fk it up. You'd just be a happier person...."
— Doug Stanhope

Oh well, if a drunk standup comedian says it's so then it must be so. (I like him, I like all good stand ups, he's a skilled guy, but he's a comic, and even as far as comics go he's pretty dysfunctional)

[otolith]

FredClogs said:

otolith said:

FredClogs said:

Well the usage as Clarkson sees fit is unacceptable.

That's probably why Top Gear decided not to broadcast it.

Why does the Mirror see fit to broadcast it?

Righteous indignation, it's righteous.

But I'd tend to agree with you, they could have easily made the point without broadcasting it, but then it's journalistic probity to show the evidence when you are able.

If they don't broadcast it, there is no story. Nobody has been offended, no foul committed. The story is manufactured by the act of broadcasting the footage.

[WinstonWolf]

FredClogs said:

shakotan said:

“If you're offended by any word in any language, it’s probably because your parents were unfit to raise a child. They were too stupid, they should have been neutered, because all it is is a sound you can make with your mouth! It’s not a weakness that you have naturally. When you come out of that pink ugly hole onto this planet, you're nothing but a gooey, shrinking, wrinkled ball of weakness. That’s all you are: you're weak, you're nothing but weak, and your parents look at that, and they think, “Not weak enough! We can make this thing even weaker by training it to react poorly to different sounds that you can make with your mouth.” We'll list them out, this is the worst thing, if anyone ever says this sound: [unintelligible gibberish], that’s the worst thing they can call you, so make sure to recoil and cry, and be hurt and devastated, and eat ice cream on a couch for days, and then write a song about it. You wouldn't do that otherwise, you'd just be happy if your parents didn't fk it up. You'd just be a happier person...."
— Doug Stanhope

Oh well, if a drunk standup comedian says it's so then it must be so. (I like him, I like all good stand ups, he's a skilled guy, but he's a comic, and even as far as comics go he's pretty dysfunctional)

Never watch Jim Jeffries, your head may explode...

[FredClogs]

WinstonWolf said:

FredClogs said:

WinstonWolf said:

FredClogs said:

WinstonWolf said:

FredClogs said:

otolith said:

FredClogs said:

Any word can be used in a derogatory manner, you great big potato head, and in 99% of cases context is everything, but some words such as this carry a weight of cultural baggage which puts them into a bracket of being taboo regardless of context, thankfully most people recognise this.

But that's bks, isn't it? Because the word isn't taboo within some African American subcultures, which is the point the chap you replied to was making.

It's pretty much exclusively taboo in the UK. You may be an American or reside in America, but I doubt it otherwise you'd have a deeper understanding of why the ownership of the word was passed to the Black community.

Two countries separated by a common language.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, no-one 'owns' part of the English language, it's there for us all to use as we see fit.

Well the usage as Clarkson sees fit is unacceptable.

Of course groups of people own bits of the language, like when you hear a public school politician talk about pasties, some words belong to some cultures, outside which they're either meaningless at best or nefarious at worst. You know more have the right to use one than the other, you're as equally wrong to call a women "pet" outside the North East as you are using the N word, it's just one of them has a global recognition, which in 2014 I'm shocked some people still find fit to argue (except you Winston, It'd be disappointing had you not argued the point).

Counting rhymes are now unacceptable? I'm a welcome breath of fresh air in an increasingly regulated PC world...

No-one owns language, I regularly use words as I fit as you know only too well.

Strangely hypocritical coming from you Winston, quite happy to blurt out your own ill thought out words and very quick to move to moderate and ban those that don't agree with you...

Hmmm words, just jokes, like on Top gear.

I don't moderate or ban anyone... In fact you're completely free to call me names if it makes you feel better.

Ha, right on Winston, yes you're just a little foot soldier aren't you, handing things up to a higher power...

[otolith]

Mr Snap said:

otolith said:

FredClogs said:

otolith said:

FredClogs said:

Any word can be used in a derogatory manner, you great big potato head, and in 99% of cases context is everything, but some words such as this carry a weight of cultural baggage which puts them into a bracket of being taboo regardless of context, thankfully most people recognise this.

But that's bks, isn't it? Because the word isn't taboo within some African American subcultures, which is the point the chap you replied to was making.

It's pretty much exclusively taboo in the UK. You may be an American or reside in America, but I doubt it otherwise you'd have a deeper understanding of why the ownership of the word was passed to the Black community.

Two countries separated by a common language.

So there are not people in the UK who have picked up the usage of the word in those subcultures and do not consider it taboo?

So I could not walk into a mainstream record shop in the UK and buy a record which uses the word liberally?

Popular culture and language overlap massively between the US and the UK.

Yep, but you wouldn't march up to the counter and ask for some music, would you?

(Mainstream record shop! How very 20th century).

Of course I wouldn't - that's not what it's called.

What would you say if you wanted them to order you a copy of this?

[FredClogs]

otolith said:

Mr Snap said:

otolith said:

FredClogs said:

otolith said:

FredClogs said:

Any word can be used in a derogatory manner, you great big potato head, and in 99% of cases context is everything, but some words such as this carry a weight of cultural baggage which puts them into a bracket of being taboo regardless of context, thankfully most people recognise this.

But that's bks, isn't it? Because the word isn't taboo within some African American subcultures, which is the point the chap you replied to was making.

It's pretty much exclusively taboo in the UK. You may be an American or reside in America, but I doubt it otherwise you'd have a deeper understanding of why the ownership of the word was passed to the Black community.

Two countries separated by a common language.

So there are not people in the UK who have picked up the usage of the word in those subcultures and do not consider it taboo?

So I could not walk into a mainstream record shop in the UK and buy a record which uses the word liberally?

Popular culture and language overlap massively between the US and the UK.

Yep, but you wouldn't march up to the counter and ask for some music, would you?

(Mainstream record shop! How very 20th century).

Of course I wouldn't - that's not what it's called.

What would you say if you wanted them to order you a copy of this?

I'd say, are you sure Grandad, it doesn't look like your kind of thing, look under B for Burt Bacharach.

[Hackney]

Without having heard the mirror's clip (I'm at work) I have it in my head that he deliberately didn't say "the N word" (TM) but instead deliberately mumbled a non-word. But said non-word [i]could sound similar to the nasty horrible word that's not allowed.

Eenie, meenie, minie, moe
Catch a nnn-nn by his toe.
If he hollers, let him go.
Eenie, meenie, minie, moe


By the way, over here they all think it's Tiger!

[Butter Face]

otolith said:

Mr Snap said:

otolith said:

FredClogs said:

otolith said:

FredClogs said:

Any word can be used in a derogatory manner, you great big potato head, and in 99% of cases context is everything, but some words such as this carry a weight of cultural baggage which puts them into a bracket of being taboo regardless of context, thankfully most people recognise this.

But that's bks, isn't it? Because the word isn't taboo within some African American subcultures, which is the point the chap you replied to was making.

It's pretty much exclusively taboo in the UK. You may be an American or reside in America, but I doubt it otherwise you'd have a deeper understanding of why the ownership of the word was passed to the Black community.

Two countries separated by a common language.

So there are not people in the UK who have picked up the usage of the word in those subcultures and do not consider it taboo?

So I could not walk into a mainstream record shop in the UK and buy a record which uses the word liberally?

Popular culture and language overlap massively between the US and the UK.

Yep, but you wouldn't march up to the counter and ask for some music, would you?

(Mainstream record shop! How very 20th century).

Of course I wouldn't - that's not what it's called.

What would you say if you wanted them to order you a copy of this?

I love that song. I'm white though, so obviously when I play it in my car I turn the volume riiiiight down so nobody gets offended at the sheer amount of the *N WORD* said in it.

[FredClogs]

Yeah on on here they think it's


Hana, man, mona, mike;
Barcelona, bona, strike;
Hare, ware, frown, vanac;
Harrico, warico, we wo, wac

It doesn't matter what the rhyme is or isn't the point is the word is taboo, people know it's taboo to use it (unless you are within a subset where it isn't taboo) so guess what, best not use it if you don't want to be a right wally.

[otolith]

We used ip dip...

[petemurphy]

James May ‏@MrJamesMay 4h
Jeremy Clarkson is not a racist. He is a monumental bellend and many other things, but not a racist. I wouldn't work with one. #ThatIsAll


Richard Hammond ‏@RichardHammond 3m
I 2nd May's comment re Clarkson. I can list a million things wrong with him, but he is absolutely not racist. An idiot, yes.

[FredClogs]

petemurphy said:

James May ‏@MrJamesMay 4h
Jeremy Clarkson is not a racist. He is a monumental bellend and many other things, but not a racist. I wouldn't work with one. #ThatIsAll


Richard Hammond ‏@RichardHammond 3m
I 2nd May's comment re Clarkson. I can list a million things wrong with him, but he is absolutely not racist. An idiot, yes.

Well they're at least half right.

[otolith]

FredClogs said:

I'd say, are you sure Grandad, it doesn't look like your kind of thing, look under B for Burt Bacharach.

Released 23 years ago this month - it is granddad music!

[Dav_s]

petemurphy said:

James May ‏@MrJamesMay 4h
Jeremy Clarkson is not a racist. He is a monumental bellend and many other things, but not a racist. I wouldn't work with one. #ThatIsAll


Richard Hammond ‏@RichardHammond 3m
I 2nd May's comment re Clarkson. I can list a million things wrong with him, but he is absolutely not racist. An idiot, yes.

Phew. That's settled then.

[petemurphy]

Dav_s said:

Phew. That's settled then.

would believe them over the mirror..

[FredClogs]

otolith said:

FredClogs said:

I'd say, are you sure Grandad, it doesn't look like your kind of thing, look under B for Burt Bacharach.

Released 23 years ago this month - it is granddad music!

Straight out of Croydon - that's my favourite.

23 years eh... blimey

[goldblum]

FredClogs said:

petemurphy said:

James May ‏@MrJamesMay 4h
Jeremy Clarkson is not a racist. He is a monumental bellend and many other things, but not a racist. I wouldn't work with one. #ThatIsAll


Richard Hammond ‏@RichardHammond 3m
I 2nd May's comment re Clarkson. I can list a million things wrong with him, but he is absolutely not racist. An idiot, yes.

Well they're at least half right.

C'mon J.C. isn't a racist any more than you or I. He plays games. Childish games based on contemporary social acceptance of risque words. If people witter on about it they're just giving Clarkson extra publicity for his tacky show.