Anyone give a toss about Gibraltar's future?
Discussion
cardigankid said:
So, the conclusion is that Gibraltar’s principal value to Britain is as a tax haven and offshore banking centre. Fair enough - it is of little use for anything else and I can’t say that I would choose to live there for the quality of the environment. Horrible dirty tacky place.
It’s a naval strategic point too. Mirror image to the area Spain has on Morocco - yet they don’t like talking about it.
We could say fair enough you have Gibraltar back but you must also give Morocco that land back too..... oh hold on you don’t well that’s not right is it.
How about France give back our Normandy? Or is success in war ok for some countries but not so for others or the date which you can turn back time is only after every other country apart from U.K. gets effed? Yep thought so
Mrr T said:
Welshbeef said:
How about France give back our Normandy? Or is success in war ok for some countries but not so for others or the date which you can turn back time is only after every other country apart from U.K. gets effed? Yep thought so
And Calais.The arrangment is different for Gib to other places metioned
The fly in the Spanish ointment is that Britain does want it & has simply allowed Gib some input to local affairs.
Rovinghawk said:
saaby93 said:
Here's the problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar
In 1713 Spain ceded Gibraltar to Britain
Spain kept a claim on it that if Britain didnt want it Spain gets first dibs
Sounds fair enough
Fast forward to 2006 when a new constitution was put in place giving Gibraltar some powers of self government and Britain using terms like 'whatever the people of Gibraltar want'
It being self governing was never part of the agreement, hence since 2006 Spain has been very tetchy about something that was outside 1713 treaty
Interesting, thanks.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar
In 1713 Spain ceded Gibraltar to Britain
Spain kept a claim on it that if Britain didnt want it Spain gets first dibs
Sounds fair enough
Fast forward to 2006 when a new constitution was put in place giving Gibraltar some powers of self government and Britain using terms like 'whatever the people of Gibraltar want'
It being self governing was never part of the agreement, hence since 2006 Spain has been very tetchy about something that was outside 1713 treaty
The fly in the Spanish ointment is that Britain does want it & has simply allowed Gib some input to local affairs.
Welshbeef said:
How about France give back our Normandy? Or is success in war ok for some countries but not so for others or the date which you can turn back time is only after every other country apart from U.K. gets effed? Yep thought so
Scotland handing back south britain to the Duke of Bavaria? Or maybe it would be the Duke of ANjou.“Gibraltar Finance Minister: "Thumping Progress" In Brexit Preparations”
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrar...
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrar...
BlackLabel said:
“Gibraltar Finance Minister: "Thumping Progress" In Brexit Preparations”
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrar...
harsh for them really, they wanted to remain in the EU more than anywhere in the uk https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrar...
“ Talks between the UK, Gibraltar and Spain that would allow the territory to enter the Schengen area with free movement at the Rock’s crucial land border are well advanced, according to reports in the Spanish media.
Gibraltar relies heavily on inflows of goods and people, including 15,000 Spaniards who cross the border daily to work in the territory, whose population is less than 34,000.
Brexit means that from January 1, Madrid would be able to create a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar, strangling the territory’s economy.
Spanish newspaper El País reported on Tuesday that Gibraltar and Spain are close to a deal that would allow for free movement across the border, with Gibraltar entering the Schengen space.
Ironically, the change forced by Brexit would bring Gibraltar closer to the EU than ever, with UK visitors still required to show their passports on arrival in the territory, while anyone crossing from Spain into Gibraltar or vice versa would walk through an open border.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/22/deal-n...
Gibraltar relies heavily on inflows of goods and people, including 15,000 Spaniards who cross the border daily to work in the territory, whose population is less than 34,000.
Brexit means that from January 1, Madrid would be able to create a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar, strangling the territory’s economy.
Spanish newspaper El País reported on Tuesday that Gibraltar and Spain are close to a deal that would allow for free movement across the border, with Gibraltar entering the Schengen space.
Ironically, the change forced by Brexit would bring Gibraltar closer to the EU than ever, with UK visitors still required to show their passports on arrival in the territory, while anyone crossing from Spain into Gibraltar or vice versa would walk through an open border.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/22/deal-n...
BlackLabel said:
Gibraltar relies heavily on inflows of goods and people, including 15,000 Spaniards who cross the border daily to work in the territory, whose population is less than 34,000.
Alternatively "region of Spain relies heavily on Gibraltar for employment of local population".BlackLabel said:
“ Talks between the UK, Gibraltar and Spain that would allow the territory to enter the Schengen area with free movement at the Rock’s crucial land border are well advanced, according to reports in the Spanish media.
Gibraltar relies heavily on inflows of goods and people, including 15,000 Spaniards who cross the border daily to work in the territory, whose population is less than 34,000.
Brexit means that from January 1, Madrid would be able to create a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar, strangling the territory’s economy.
Spanish newspaper El País reported on Tuesday that Gibraltar and Spain are close to a deal that would allow for free movement across the border, with Gibraltar entering the Schengen space.
Ironically, the change forced by Brexit would bring Gibraltar closer to the EU than ever, with UK visitors still required to show their passports on arrival in the territory, while anyone crossing from Spain into Gibraltar or vice versa would walk through an open border.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/22/deal-n...
Makes much sense all round, a pragmatic and sensible solution.Gibraltar relies heavily on inflows of goods and people, including 15,000 Spaniards who cross the border daily to work in the territory, whose population is less than 34,000.
Brexit means that from January 1, Madrid would be able to create a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar, strangling the territory’s economy.
Spanish newspaper El País reported on Tuesday that Gibraltar and Spain are close to a deal that would allow for free movement across the border, with Gibraltar entering the Schengen space.
Ironically, the change forced by Brexit would bring Gibraltar closer to the EU than ever, with UK visitors still required to show their passports on arrival in the territory, while anyone crossing from Spain into Gibraltar or vice versa would walk through an open border.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/22/deal-n...
Helicopter123 said:
BlackLabel said:
“ Talks between the UK, Gibraltar and Spain that would allow the territory to enter the Schengen area with free movement at the Rock’s crucial land border are well advanced, according to reports in the Spanish media.
Gibraltar relies heavily on inflows of goods and people, including 15,000 Spaniards who cross the border daily to work in the territory, whose population is less than 34,000.
Brexit means that from January 1, Madrid would be able to create a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar, strangling the territory’s economy.
Spanish newspaper El País reported on Tuesday that Gibraltar and Spain are close to a deal that would allow for free movement across the border, with Gibraltar entering the Schengen space.
Ironically, the change forced by Brexit would bring Gibraltar closer to the EU than ever, with UK visitors still required to show their passports on arrival in the territory, while anyone crossing from Spain into Gibraltar or vice versa would walk through an open border.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/22/deal-n...
Makes much sense all round, a pragmatic and sensible solution.Gibraltar relies heavily on inflows of goods and people, including 15,000 Spaniards who cross the border daily to work in the territory, whose population is less than 34,000.
Brexit means that from January 1, Madrid would be able to create a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar, strangling the territory’s economy.
Spanish newspaper El País reported on Tuesday that Gibraltar and Spain are close to a deal that would allow for free movement across the border, with Gibraltar entering the Schengen space.
Ironically, the change forced by Brexit would bring Gibraltar closer to the EU than ever, with UK visitors still required to show their passports on arrival in the territory, while anyone crossing from Spain into Gibraltar or vice versa would walk through an open border.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/22/deal-n...
Would GB remain in Schengen be a pragmatic and sensible solution?
saaby93 said:
Helicopter123 said:
BlackLabel said:
“ Talks between the UK, Gibraltar and Spain that would allow the territory to enter the Schengen area with free movement at the Rock’s crucial land border are well advanced, according to reports in the Spanish media.
Gibraltar relies heavily on inflows of goods and people, including 15,000 Spaniards who cross the border daily to work in the territory, whose population is less than 34,000.
Brexit means that from January 1, Madrid would be able to create a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar, strangling the territory’s economy.
Spanish newspaper El País reported on Tuesday that Gibraltar and Spain are close to a deal that would allow for free movement across the border, with Gibraltar entering the Schengen space.
Ironically, the change forced by Brexit would bring Gibraltar closer to the EU than ever, with UK visitors still required to show their passports on arrival in the territory, while anyone crossing from Spain into Gibraltar or vice versa would walk through an open border.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/22/deal-n...
Makes much sense all round, a pragmatic and sensible solution.Gibraltar relies heavily on inflows of goods and people, including 15,000 Spaniards who cross the border daily to work in the territory, whose population is less than 34,000.
Brexit means that from January 1, Madrid would be able to create a hard border between Spain and Gibraltar, strangling the territory’s economy.
Spanish newspaper El País reported on Tuesday that Gibraltar and Spain are close to a deal that would allow for free movement across the border, with Gibraltar entering the Schengen space.
Ironically, the change forced by Brexit would bring Gibraltar closer to the EU than ever, with UK visitors still required to show their passports on arrival in the territory, while anyone crossing from Spain into Gibraltar or vice versa would walk through an open border.”
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/22/deal-n...
Would GB remain in Schengen be a pragmatic and sensible solution?
Helicopter123 said:
We already have a border in the Irish Sea, and while NI joining Schengen (and remaining in the common market) would solve the Irish border, I think that ship has well and truly sailed. Until Ireland is re-unified, I think that the Irish will just have to muddle on as best they can.
or maybe until the British Isles are reunified 
saaby93 said:
Helicopter123 said:
We already have a border in the Irish Sea, and while NI joining Schengen (and remaining in the common market) would solve the Irish border, I think that ship has well and truly sailed. Until Ireland is re-unified, I think that the Irish will just have to muddle on as best they can.
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