Angela Rayner to face investigation?

Angela Rayner to face investigation?

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President Merkin

3,190 posts

20 months

Thursday 28th March
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Speaking of tax havens.


EddieSteadyGo

12,114 posts

204 months

Thursday 28th March
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blueg33 said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
blueg33 said:
It’s not the same scenario at all
It's exactly the same, in the context of both being non-stories, and yet when Rayner thinks it runs in her favour, she demands an MP publishes their tax returns, but when she gets questions she says, "she had no intention of publishing details of her personal finances publicly but would do so if it was mandated for all MPs."
Don't you see a difference between a tax haven and regular UK taxation?

I am no fan of Rayner, but the clutching at straws that's going on in this thread is hilarious.
You need to read more carefully my original post, because I'm not clutching at any straws.

blueg33

36,126 posts

225 months

Thursday 28th March
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EddieSteadyGo said:
blueg33 said:
EddieSteadyGo said:
blueg33 said:
It’s not the same scenario at all
It's exactly the same, in the context of both being non-stories, and yet when Rayner thinks it runs in her favour, she demands an MP publishes their tax returns, but when she gets questions she says, "she had no intention of publishing details of her personal finances publicly but would do so if it was mandated for all MPs."
Don't you see a difference between a tax haven and regular UK taxation?

I am no fan of Rayner, but the clutching at straws that's going on in this thread is hilarious.
You need to read more carefully my original post, because I'm not clutching at any straws.
ok

sugerbear

4,072 posts

159 months

Thursday 28th March
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I am all for MP's having their tax returns published online.

I imagine it would open all sorts of cans of worms for MP's mostly on the conservative side when people see how much they earn and how much tax they pay.

Evanivitch

20,258 posts

123 months

Thursday 28th March
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President Merkin said:
Speaking of tax havens.

I feel it works better with all the zeros...

Rayner - £0
Lord Ashcroft - £112,000,000

And for Zahawi - £5,000,000

EddieSteadyGo

12,114 posts

204 months

Thursday 28th March
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sugerbear said:
I am all for MP's having their tax returns published online.

I imagine it would open all sorts of cans of worms for MP's mostly on the conservative side when people see how much they earn and how much tax they pay.
If we are going to do it for MPs, I would go one step further and adopt a version of the Norwegian system where every person's annual tax returns are available to view publicly online.

blueg33

36,126 posts

225 months

Thursday 28th March
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sugerbear said:
I am all for MP's having their tax returns published online.

I imagine it would open all sorts of cans of worms for MP's mostly on the conservative side when people see how much they earn and how much tax they pay.
Its a tricky one. It would mean a lot of pressure not to MP's a decent rate, and that will inevitably penalise the MP's that represent many of the most disadvantaged parts of the country.


Blue62

8,926 posts

153 months

Thursday 28th March
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President Merkin said:
Speaking of tax havens.

This is the underlying point that somehow eludes the loons on here trying to stir up indignation, despite the fact that so far HMRC are seemingly happy she doesn’t owe tax. Some are so stupid and blind that they are continually played, good old Lord Ashcroft, using his power, money and influence to attempt to smear a Labour MP, keeping the non story on the boil, it’s beyond parody.

isaldiri

18,706 posts

169 months

Thursday 28th March
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EddieSteadyGo said:
It's exactly the same, in the context of both being non-stories, and yet when Rayner thinks it runs in her favour, she demands an MP publishes their tax returns, but when she gets questions she says, "she had no intention of publishing details of her personal finances publicly but would do so if it was mandated for all MPs."
Politician in being two faced and hypocritical shocker with people leaping to defend each side depending on where they stand politically..... I suppose that's in part exactly why we are and have been stuck in the current mess and why it's not going to be changing anytime soon if at all.....

turbobloke

104,138 posts

261 months

Thursday 28th March
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Blue62 said:
President Merkin said:
Speaking of tax havens.

This is the underlying point that somehow eludes the loons on here trying to stir up indignation...it’s beyond parody.
Loons = ad hom logical fallacy. Null Points.

It's not beyond parody at all. From the image used, if Rayner owes HMRC tax, it's tax due that's been evaded. Also from the image, Lord Ashcroft has avoided tax, so no tax due.

Evasion is unlawful, avoidance is lawful as per the current £12570 annual tax-free allowance many millions accept and use.

Not knowing the difference between evasion and avoidance isn't beyond parody, it's often a partisan tactic.

chrispmartha

15,530 posts

130 months

Thursday 28th March
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Owing HMRC tax doesn't automatically mean you knowingly evaded it, or avoided it for that matter.

Hammersia

1,564 posts

16 months

Thursday 28th March
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turbobloke said:
Blue62 said:
President Merkin said:
Speaking of tax havens.

This is the underlying point that somehow eludes the loons on here trying to stir up indignation...it’s beyond parody.
Loons = ad hom logical fallacy. Null Points.

It's not beyond parody at all. From the image used, if Rayner owes HMRC tax, it's tax due that's been evaded. Also from the image, Lord Ashcroft has avoided tax, so no tax due.

Evasion is unlawful, avoidance is lawful as per the current £12570 annual tax-free allowance many millions accept and use.

Not knowing the difference between evasion and avoidance isn't beyond parody, it's often a partisan tactic.
Just wait until her defenders realise that Ashcroft had non dom status entirely under the last labour government.

119

6,549 posts

37 months

Thursday 28th March
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chrispmartha said:
Owing HMRC tax doesn't automatically mean you knowingly evaded it, or avoided it for that matter.
You are Mr Raynor.

AICMFP

119

6,549 posts

37 months

Thursday 28th March
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Nomme de Plum said:
I would have expected the interviewer to start with Happy Birthday then move on.

I call that simple good manners.
She’s supposed to be a politician, not a friend or family member.


Edited by 119 on Thursday 28th March 10:27

Hammersia

1,564 posts

16 months

Thursday 28th March
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chrispmartha said:
Owing HMRC tax doesn't automatically mean you knowingly evaded it, or avoided it for that matter.
From the party radio defence "full confidence etc." going out this morning, sounds like HMRC is the least of her worries.

President Merkin

3,190 posts

20 months

Thursday 28th March
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turbobloke said:
Loons = ad hom logical fallacy. Null Points.

It's not beyond parody at all. From the image used, if Rayner owes HMRC tax, it's tax due that's been evaded. Also from the image, Lord Ashcroft has avoided tax, so no tax due.

Evasion is unlawful, avoidance is lawful as per the current £12570 annual tax-free allowance many millions accept and use.

Not knowing the difference between evasion and avoidance isn't beyond parody, it's often a partisan tactic.
The logical fail is assuming Rayner acted knowingly. And if you wish to get onto questions of character, Ashcroft's lawn isn't where I'd park my tanks.

Essarell

1,264 posts

55 months

Thursday 28th March
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labour thought they would be in political wilderness for years, the collapse of conservatism is giving them the keys to No10. Angela "Tory Scum" Rayner is just the start, many more will follow once the media spotlight pans over to the Labour benches.

Nomme de Plum

4,698 posts

17 months

Thursday 28th March
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119 said:
Nomme de Plum said:
I would have expected the interviewer to start with Happy Birthday then move on.

I call that simple good manners.


She’s supposed to be a politician, not a friend or family member.
What.

It is called courtesy. The sort one gives automatically to another.

She is a politician whether you like it or not and I would expect the same courtesy to be extended to any interviewee, whether politician or not.

Fortunately I'm completely Apolitical although I suppose I should have had conservative leanings considering my businesses. It does allow we to see blind prejudice from all sides for what it is.







Blue62

8,926 posts

153 months

Thursday 28th March
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turbobloke said:
Loons = ad hom logical fallacy. Null Points.

It's not beyond parody at all. From the image used, if Rayner owes HMRC tax, it's tax due that's been evaded. Also from the image, Lord Ashcroft has avoided tax, so no tax due.

Evasion is unlawful, avoidance is lawful as per the current £12570 annual tax-free allowance many millions accept and use.

Not knowing the difference between evasion and avoidance isn't beyond parody, it's often a partisan tactic.
I know the difference thanks, what The Eye is highlighting is the hypocrisy, not lost on you I hope, but who knows. Given all the attention this story seems to be getting and the indignation of the usual suspects, one would have thought that HMRC would be issuing a demand with interest anytime soon and I think that would be the point at which the story might start to raise questions, like was it just ignorance or was it a deliberate attempt to evade.

Nice to have you back though, perhaps we can look forward to more of those polls of Daily Express readers commissioned and published by The Daily Express, that you try to pass off as something else, but then maybe you just don't know the difference. Partisan indeed, you should be ashamed of yourself Turbs.

Hammersia

1,564 posts

16 months

Thursday 28th March
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President Merkin said:
turbobloke said:
Loons = ad hom logical fallacy. Null Points.

It's not beyond parody at all. From the image used, if Rayner owes HMRC tax, it's tax due that's been evaded. Also from the image, Lord Ashcroft has avoided tax, so no tax due.

Evasion is unlawful, avoidance is lawful as per the current £12570 annual tax-free allowance many millions accept and use.

Not knowing the difference between evasion and avoidance isn't beyond parody, it's often a partisan tactic.
The logical fail is assuming Rayner acted knowingly. And if you wish to get onto questions of character, Ashcroft's lawn isn't where I'd park my tanks.
Ah yes, she was working in a care home, not good with numbers, didn't know what accountants did etc .etc.

Thank God we will shortly have such a real world politician in charge of a major department of state.