Politics in France
Discussion
del mar said:
I am not sure what value this has in this day and age - granted the graph doesn't show ages.
Who would you rather have making decisions a 50 year old who has lived / seen how the world works / made mistakes or a 25 year old with a degree in African studies who has come from a very left wing university system and never paid tax ?
I think you do a disservice to people who don't have degrees.
My degree in david beckham studies must mean that I am some genius who always gets things right and am far far cleverer than the majority of the population. !
Given your posts, I'd be very surprised if you had a degree in anything. Who would you rather have making decisions a 50 year old who has lived / seen how the world works / made mistakes or a 25 year old with a degree in African studies who has come from a very left wing university system and never paid tax ?
I think you do a disservice to people who don't have degrees.
My degree in david beckham studies must mean that I am some genius who always gets things right and am far far cleverer than the majority of the population. !
Putting that on one side, why is there this presumption of degree being in 'African studies' 'David Beckham studies' or any tired, oft-repeated, np&e friendly, idiocy?
jjlynn27 said:
Given your posts, I'd be very surprised if you had a degree in anything.
Putting that on one side, why is there this presumption of degree being in 'African studies' 'David Beckham studies' or any tired, oft-repeated, np&e friendly, idiocy?
With posts like that you're not exactly demonstrating intelligence yourself, are you. Putting that on one side, why is there this presumption of degree being in 'African studies' 'David Beckham studies' or any tired, oft-repeated, np&e friendly, idiocy?
Your posts have become increasingly derisory like this,with little if any more credibility than the posts you attack.
It comes across as a desperate need to belong to a cabal that needs to justify itself and raise itself above others. It's unbecoming.
As one of the intelligentsia, try answering the questions without attack.
Murph7355 said:
With posts like that you're not exactly demonstrating intelligence yourself, are you.
Your posts have become increasingly derisory like this,with little if any more credibility than the posts you attack.
It comes across as a desperate need to belong to a cabal that needs to justify itself and raise itself above others. It's unbecoming.
As one of the intelligentsia, try answering the questions without attack.
lol @ cabal. Very good. NP&E is a light entertainment, nothing more. So I really couldn't care less what 99% of people on NP&E think. When I say his posting history, it's almost without exception, 'zomg muslims' type of posts, which I find tedious and daft. But it was nice of you to jump in and offer the helping hand, in non-cabal, not wanting-to-belong sort of way. Your posts have become increasingly derisory like this,with little if any more credibility than the posts you attack.
It comes across as a desperate need to belong to a cabal that needs to justify itself and raise itself above others. It's unbecoming.
As one of the intelligentsia, try answering the questions without attack.
Now, the question and the way it was posed was rather idiotic. It's always the predictable beckham studies. I personally dont know anyone with a degree in african studies, or sport shoe design and I would guess that proper degrees would outnumber those mickey mouse ones 10 to 1.
Some 25y/o people with/without a degree are much better than some 50yo people with/without a degree at making decisions. And vice versa.
del mar said:
Trabi601 said:
Countdown said:
Who would you rather have making decisions a 50 year old who has lived / seen how the world works / made mistakes or a 25 year old with a degree in African studies who has come from a very left wing university system and never paid tax ?
I think you do a disservice to people who don't have degrees.
My degree in david beckham studies must mean that I am some genius who always gets things right and am far far cleverer than the majority of the population. !
They, and the debate around them, only seek to confer a 'better decision making' capability within a section of the electorate. That is the start of a very nasty road of some form of 'meritocratic' voting rights, where only those deemed 'good enough' at making the 'right choices' are allowed to vote...
There is absolutely no other reason to cut the stats in such a way. We've had similar when voting has been broken down by age "Those old f
kers are going to die soon, but I'll be left with the effects of their vote" - see Damon Albarn's recent C4 interview for a similar view.That is disgusting in the modern era of universal suffrage.
jjlynn27 said:
lol @ cabal. Very good. NP&E is a light entertainment, nothing more. So I really couldn't care less what 99% of people on NP&E think. When I say his posting history, it's almost without exception, 'zomg muslims' type of posts, which I find tedious and daft. But it was nice of you to jump in and offer the helping hand, in non-cabal, not wanting-to-belong sort of way. ...
I'm happy to deride people on both sides of whichever divide is created as this place ceases to be entertainment of any sort when the discussion descends to "you're thick" /"you're a lefty"/"you're racist"/"we won anyway". ... If the discussion cannot be raised above that level, why not just ignore the posts that are tedious?
These sorts of thread are a good demonstration of why our political classes are as they are. If even people with decent contributions to make can't help themselves with the snide commentary, how do we expect them not to play to it?
Never mind France's position, it seems to me that most "developed" democratic nations have a major issue at present.
I don't envy Macron the task he has ahead of him. He seems, to me, to have an impossible task ahead of him. Even if the French return a government who will cut him some slack.
jjlynn27 said:
Given your posts, I'd be very surprised if you had a degree in anything.
Putting that on one side, why is there this presumption of degree being in 'African studies' 'David Beckham studies' or any tired, oft-repeated, np&e friendly, idiocy?
There isn't, but nor should there be any presumption that those who went to university make better decisions in life than those that didn't .Putting that on one side, why is there this presumption of degree being in 'African studies' 'David Beckham studies' or any tired, oft-repeated, np&e friendly, idiocy?
I am now off to lubricate my brakes ......
Murph7355 said:
...
Never mind France's position, it seems to me that most "developed" democratic nations have a major issue at present.
I don't envy Macron the task he has ahead of him. He seems, to me, to have an impossible task ahead of him. Even if the French return a government who will cut him some slack.
They are in a much better position to solve their issues with Macron than they would ever be with Le Pen. He seems to be business friendly and he wants to cut bloated state.Never mind France's position, it seems to me that most "developed" democratic nations have a major issue at present.
I don't envy Macron the task he has ahead of him. He seems, to me, to have an impossible task ahead of him. Even if the French return a government who will cut him some slack.
University stats are all available online on the HESA website.
This is for what courses are taken. https://www.hesa.ac.uk/data-and-analysis/students/...
This is for what courses are taken. https://www.hesa.ac.uk/data-and-analysis/students/...
Sway said:
del mar said:
Trabi601 said:
Countdown said:
Who would you rather have making decisions a 50 year old who has lived / seen how the world works / made mistakes or a 25 year old with a degree in African studies who has come from a very left wing university system and never paid tax ?
I think you do a disservice to people who don't have degrees.
My degree in david beckham studies must mean that I am some genius who always gets things right and am far far cleverer than the majority of the population. !
They, and the debate around them, only seek to confer a 'better decision making' capability within a section of the electorate. That is the start of a very nasty road of some form of 'meritocratic' voting rights, where only those deemed 'good enough' at making the 'right choices' are allowed to vote...
There is absolutely no other reason to cut the stats in such a way. We've had similar when voting has been broken down by age "Those old f
kers are going to die soon, but I'll be left with the effects of their vote" - see Damon Albarn's recent C4 interview for a similar view.That is disgusting in the modern era of universal suffrage.
Just because a geographic area has a different proportion of graduates, does not mean the constituent voters actually turned out in the same proportions - there's simply no way of knowing that fact, only guessing it.
As for education and intelligence, I present 'exhibit A', Dianne Abbot, Cambridge graduate, no less...
jjlynn27 said:
They are in a much better position to solve their issues with Macron than they would ever be with Le Pen. He seems to be business friendly and he wants to cut bloated state.
France is screwed irrespective of who is in power and what policies they change until the Euro is split up. In order for the export driven part of the Eurozone to function with its massive surplus, to balance the currency you have to have the none export driven part running a structural deficit.That means the economies of the Eurozone that are mainly consumer driven economies have to run an austerity program, that's France, Spain, a large part of Italy and the rest of southern Europe.
Germany has done something very smart (for Germany short to medium term), rather than do a full on globalisation where they embrace the whole world, they invested in the eastern block and sucked all their capacity into their automotive supply chain. The EU has been used to build the eastern block infrastructure and continues to do so. That means Germany has control over the part of the Eurozone that provides the required products to make their exports competitive. They now have a highly skilled, cheap labour force with new and efficient infrastructure working flat out to supply them. That also means they have a large block of the EU that are making lots of money and are rapidly rising their national standard of living, these countries will not kill the golden goose and will do exactly what Germany wants in the EU council.
That's great for Germany, it's appalling for the parts of the EU that don't share in that prosperity, they literally aren't allowed to get out of this mess as the currency wont allow it. The Euro is the elephant in the room, it has to blow up in order for anything to change, that's going to take a major political blow such as Italy holding a referendum to trigger it.
This is why the $ is so strong right now and why even after this vote in France, the Euro is still bumbling around 1:09, capital flight is continual out of Europe to the $ as the writing is on the wall.
jjlynn27 said:
Murph7355 said:
...
Never mind France's position, it seems to me that most "developed" democratic nations have a major issue at present.
I don't envy Macron the task he has ahead of him. He seems, to me, to have an impossible task ahead of him. Even if the French return a government who will cut him some slack.
They are in a much better position to solve their issues with Macron than they would ever be with Le Pen. He seems to be business friendly and he wants to cut bloated state.Never mind France's position, it seems to me that most "developed" democratic nations have a major issue at present.
I don't envy Macron the task he has ahead of him. He seems, to me, to have an impossible task ahead of him. Even if the French return a government who will cut him some slack.
The population will only tolerate his policies until they are directly affected,pensions,working hours,job cuts etc then it will be back to the same old scenario of giving in and achieving nothing.
smifffymoto said:
This is France,the least business friendly place of the major European economies.He may want to cut the public sector but so have many others and not got anywhere.
The population will only tolerate his policies until they are directly affected,pensions,working hours,job cuts etc then it will be back to the same old scenario of giving in and achieving nothing.
Hence the need for reform. There was a choice between Macron who is very pro-business and Le Pen who wants to 'protect' workers and lower the pension age to 60. The population will only tolerate his policies until they are directly affected,pensions,working hours,job cuts etc then it will be back to the same old scenario of giving in and achieving nothing.
smifffymoto said:
jjlynn27 said:
Murph7355 said:
...
Never mind France's position, it seems to me that most "developed" democratic nations have a major issue at present.
I don't envy Macron the task he has ahead of him. He seems, to me, to have an impossible task ahead of him. Even if the French return a government who will cut him some slack.
They are in a much better position to solve their issues with Macron than they would ever be with Le Pen. He seems to be business friendly and he wants to cut bloated state.Never mind France's position, it seems to me that most "developed" democratic nations have a major issue at present.
I don't envy Macron the task he has ahead of him. He seems, to me, to have an impossible task ahead of him. Even if the French return a government who will cut him some slack.
The population will only tolerate his policies until they are directly affected,pensions,working hours,job cuts etc then it will be back to the same old scenario of giving in and achieving nothing.
swiveleyedgit said:
BlackLabel said:
It's interesting how much tv coverage Macron is receiving over here - can't remember it being like this when Hollande or Sarkozy won. It's almost 2008 Obama esq.
I wonder if there'll be 100 Days of Reform is needed and the quicker the better.The only problem is it is only politicians who want reform because they are the ones whom it has no effect on.The man on the street wants reform but for every body else not him,he wants his fonctionnaires pension,sick pay etc.
Macron will crumble like all the others when the country hates him when he tries to implement major reform to the code de travail.
Macron will crumble like all the others when the country hates him when he tries to implement major reform to the code de travail.
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff