Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 6)
Discussion
stew-STR160 said:
Gadgetmac said:
Don't fret, I'm sure they'll be a big oil funded bash somewhere very soon and then you Judith Curry, Mark Morono, and the intelligent design team can all share a sherry and moan at the unfairness of it all.
Wow, no need to be so jealous because you won't get an invite to what'd be an amazing shindig...Gadgetmac said:
stew-STR160 said:
Gadgetmac said:
Don't fret, I'm sure they'll be a big oil funded bash somewhere very soon and then you Judith Curry, Mark Morono, and the intelligent design team can all share a sherry and moan at the unfairness of it all.
Wow, no need to be so jealous because you won't get an invite to what'd be an amazing shindig...LongQ said:
LongQ said:
jshell said:
Received my invite to register for the 'UK Climate Change Citizen's Assembly' today. Anyone else received and registered?
It pays £600 + expenses.
Are they trying to find ways to help fund Extinction Rebellion?It pays £600 + expenses.
Hopefully Sir Christopher Hohn will be picking up the tab through his 'charity'.
https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/comm...
So the headline number is 30,000 but if I read the linked piece correctly that will be whittled down to 110
"A representative sample of the population will then be selected from those who respond to the invitation, with 110 people taking part in the assembly."
I wonder if it is in fact possible to create a representative sample of 110 for invitations to 30k household picked at random throughout the UK - but that's another matter.
Still, 4 weekends in Birmingham in the middle of Winter is not to be sniffed at I suppose. And even with expenses that include those for the most far fling travellers, for 110 people, who will likely have 1:1 minder representation in one way or another, the cost would not be too great even for a lesser multi-millionaire to underwrite.
One notes that the focus of the chatter is to be about how to achieve the zero carbon objective. This is just a talking shop box ticking exercise related to what will be presented as a done deal.
Or so I would suggest.
ETA: From the link above.
"“Public concern around climate change is as high as it has ever been and this is a chance for people from all parts of society to come together, to decide how we as a country can best meet our net zero emissions target." said a politician.
A neat phrase that, if carefully considered, starts by say nothing by way of justification for hyping the project for maximum obfuscation.
Edited by LongQ on Monday 11th November 23:31
Gadgetmac said:
Don't fret, I'm sure they'll be a big oil funded bash somewhere very soon and then you Judith Curry, Mark Morono, and the intelligent design team can all share a sherry and moan at the unfairness of it all.
We tried inviting the flat-earthers, but they turned us down. They said they already had a date with other noteworthy scientific institutions. They don’t mean you guys, do they?jshell said:
If I actually get in, I'll have to fake MMuGW credentials and then try to counter some of the hysterical shyte that will obviously be trawled out in the name of running the UK industry into th eground. Hopefully it won't all be hysterical campaigners...
UK Industry? What was that then?
As an aside - I can't recall exactly where just at the moment but somewhere in an article that popped up while looking at this fake people's committee stuff o politician of some sort was quoted as saying words to the effect that it was very unfair to but the entire onus for saving the planet on individuals, especially people who happen to like to travel by air, when really it is governments who should be doing everything.
As quoted it was difficult to decide whether the speaker was immensely dim, or making an extreme play for popular support in the expectation that the public whose support they wanted were really dim and would not spot it before they had irreversibly committed to it or were just making advanced noises about a need to introduce an overarching world bureaucracy in order to "make something happen".
Perhaps they just hated a concept such as, to use but one example, world travellers abandoning travel of their own volition and thus eliminating an obvious and public target that they might have for controlling people's lives by the back door and for the praise they might get for their efforts, albeit only from like minded power wielders.
stew-STR160 said:
Gadgetmac said:
stew-STR160 said:
Gadgetmac said:
Don't fret, I'm sure they'll be a big oil funded bash somewhere very soon and then you Judith Curry, Mark Morono, and the intelligent design team can all share a sherry and moan at the unfairness of it all.
Wow, no need to be so jealous because you won't get an invite to what'd be an amazing shindig...
Kawasicki said:
Gadgetmac said:
Don't fret, I'm sure they'll be a big oil funded bash somewhere very soon and then you Judith Curry, Mark Morono, and the intelligent design team can all share a sherry and moan at the unfairness of it all.
We tried inviting the flat-earthers, but they turned us down. They said they already had a date with other noteworthy scientific institutions. They don’t mean you guys, do they?
Gadgetmac said:
Kawasicki said:
Gadgetmac said:
Don't fret, I'm sure they'll be a big oil funded bash somewhere very soon and then you Judith Curry, Mark Morono, and the intelligent design team can all share a sherry and moan at the unfairness of it all.
We tried inviting the flat-earthers, but they turned us down. They said they already had a date with other noteworthy scientific institutions. They don’t mean you guys, do they?jshell said:
LongQ said:
LongQ said:
jshell said:
Received my invite to register for the 'UK Climate Change Citizen's Assembly' today. Anyone else received and registered?
It pays £600 + expenses.
Are they trying to find ways to help fund Extinction Rebellion?It pays £600 + expenses.
Hopefully Sir Christopher Hohn will be picking up the tab through his 'charity'.
https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/comm...
So the headline number is 30,000 but if I read the linked piece correctly that will be whittled down to 110
"A representative sample of the population will then be selected from those who respond to the invitation, with 110 people taking part in the assembly."
I wonder if it is in fact possible to create a representative sample of 110 for invitations to 30k household picked at random throughout the UK - but that's another matter.
Still, 4 weekends in Birmingham in the middle of Winter is not to be sniffed at I suppose. And even with expenses that include those for the most far fling travellers, for 110 people, who will likely have 1:1 minder representation in one way or another, the cost would not be too great even for a lesser multi-millionaire to underwrite.
One notes that the focus of the chatter is to be about how to achieve the zero carbon objective. This is just a talking shop box ticking exercise related to what will be presented as a done deal.
Or so I would suggest.
ETA: From the link above.
"“Public concern around climate change is as high as it has ever been and this is a chance for people from all parts of society to come together, to decide how we as a country can best meet our net zero emissions target." said a politician.
A neat phrase that, if carefully considered, starts by say nothing by way of justification for hyping the project for maximum obfuscation.
Edited by LongQ on Monday 11th November 23:31
I’ve heard Greta is the surprise guest speaker ..... if She can paddle her coracle fast enough
Murph7355 said:
LongQ said:
UK Industry?
What was that then?
....
The one that sees (note tense) us 8th in the list of industrial output globally perhaps? What was that then?
....
dickymint said:
jshell said:
LongQ said:
LongQ said:
jshell said:
Received my invite to register for the 'UK Climate Change Citizen's Assembly' today. Anyone else received and registered?
It pays £600 + expenses.
Are they trying to find ways to help fund Extinction Rebellion?It pays £600 + expenses.
Hopefully Sir Christopher Hohn will be picking up the tab through his 'charity'.
https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/comm...
So the headline number is 30,000 but if I read the linked piece correctly that will be whittled down to 110
"A representative sample of the population will then be selected from those who respond to the invitation, with 110 people taking part in the assembly."
I wonder if it is in fact possible to create a representative sample of 110 for invitations to 30k household picked at random throughout the UK - but that's another matter.
Still, 4 weekends in Birmingham in the middle of Winter is not to be sniffed at I suppose. And even with expenses that include those for the most far fling travellers, for 110 people, who will likely have 1:1 minder representation in one way or another, the cost would not be too great even for a lesser multi-millionaire to underwrite.
One notes that the focus of the chatter is to be about how to achieve the zero carbon objective. This is just a talking shop box ticking exercise related to what will be presented as a done deal.
Or so I would suggest.
ETA: From the link above.
"“Public concern around climate change is as high as it has ever been and this is a chance for people from all parts of society to come together, to decide how we as a country can best meet our net zero emissions target." said a politician.
A neat phrase that, if carefully considered, starts by say nothing by way of justification for hyping the project for maximum obfuscation.
Edited by LongQ on Monday 11th November 23:31
I’ve heard Greta is the surprise guest speaker ..... if She can paddle her coracle fast enough
LongQ said:
jshell said:
If I actually get in, I'll have to fake MMuGW credentials and then try to counter some of the hysterical shyte that will obviously be trawled out in the name of running the UK industry into th eground. Hopefully it won't all be hysterical campaigners...
UK Industry? What was that then?
As an aside - I can't recall exactly where just at the moment but somewhere in an article that popped up while looking at this fake people's committee stuff o politician of some sort was quoted as saying words to the effect that it was very unfair to but the entire onus for saving the planet on individuals, especially people who happen to like to travel by air, when really it is governments who should be doing everything.
As quoted it was difficult to decide whether the speaker was immensely dim, or making an extreme play for popular support in the expectation that the public whose support they wanted were really dim and would not spot it before they had irreversibly committed to it or were just making advanced noises about a need to introduce an overarching world bureaucracy in order to "make something happen".
Perhaps they just hated a concept such as, to use but one example, world travellers abandoning travel of their own volition and thus eliminating an obvious and public target that they might have for controlling people's lives by the back door and for the praise they might get for their efforts, albeit only from like minded power wielders.
On decarbonisation by 2050 and related points fwiw:
On the Committee for Climate Change view that decarbonisation can be achieved cheaply.
Professor Michael Kelly as Emeritus Professor of Engineering at the University of Cambridge said:
It simply isn’t going to happen, as much as the zealots in Parliament and on the streets shout about it.
The government’s 2050 net zero target is unachievable without major social disruption (Kelly).On the Committee for Climate Change view that decarbonisation can be achieved cheaply.
Prof Kelly said:
Their estimates are pie in the sky. We have real-world data that shows that the cost would run to trillions of pounds. If politicians listen to them (CCC) we are in trouble.
jshell said:
Wouldn't it be funny if the majority of delegates turned out to be climate realists who aren't phased by the ramped up scare stories?
If you so much as utter a word about being realistic you will be replaced. A much better tactic would be to pose as a believer and up the ante to even more laughable levels.
First recommendation shut down premier league football. It’s a war damn it.
Oh dear, it now seems that the US military (the bleeding heart liberals that the are) are also part of the global, socialist conspiracy under the cover of AGW.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov...
Esceptico said:
Oh dear, it now seems that the US military (the bleeding heart liberals that the are) are also part of the global, socialist conspiracy under the cover of AGW.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov...
Pah, they're simply a rebadged Red Army and we all know it.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov...
Esceptico said:
Oh dear, it now seems that the US military (the bleeding heart liberals that the are) are also part of the global, socialist conspiracy under the cover of AGW.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov...
The article is just a pile of alarmist poo.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov...
Gadgetmac said:
stew-STR160 said:
Gadgetmac said:
Don't fret, I'm sure they'll be a big oil funded bash somewhere very soon and then you Judith Curry, Mark Morono, and the intelligent design team can all share a sherry and moan at the unfairness of it all.
Wow, no need to be so jealous because you won't get an invite to what'd be an amazing shindig...
If you're wondering what the f
k I'm on about, take a peek at the Greta Cindy pages. 'Senior' ageist Gadgetmac says he is as old as me, probably older.
There you have it, Gadgetmac is - a 'baby boomer'!
Kawasicki said:
Esceptico said:
Oh dear, it now seems that the US military (the bleeding heart liberals that the are) are also part of the global, socialist conspiracy under the cover of AGW.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov...
The article is just a pile of alarmist poo.https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov...
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