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allnighter said:
Grumfutock said:
allnighter said:
ays a man who did just that many times over in this thread! Don't preach what you cannot practice, hypocrite!
Grumfutock said:
Please do not bother to reply as I am really bored of your endless and crazy revisionism.
Meanwhile
Netanyahu renews efforts to define Israel as Jewis....
Not at all sure what this is about. An attempt to appease the right wing? A step toward a two state solution? An attempt to divert attention from his son? Where all this will leave non-Jewish Israeli citizens is something of a mystery.
Netanyahu renews efforts to define Israel as Jewis....
Not at all sure what this is about. An attempt to appease the right wing? A step toward a two state solution? An attempt to divert attention from his son? Where all this will leave non-Jewish Israeli citizens is something of a mystery.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Meanwhile
Netanyahu renews efforts to define Israel as Jewis....
Not at all sure what this is about. An attempt to appease the right wing? A step toward a two state solution? An attempt to divert attention from his son? Where all this will leave non-Jewish Israeli citizens is something of a mystery.
Or perhaps it's so more people who oppose the rather questionable tactics of the Israeli regime can be called anti-Jewish like the poster above you has done? Netanyahu renews efforts to define Israel as Jewis....
Not at all sure what this is about. An attempt to appease the right wing? A step toward a two state solution? An attempt to divert attention from his son? Where all this will leave non-Jewish Israeli citizens is something of a mystery.
zuby84 said:
Or perhaps it's so more people who oppose the rather questionable tactics of the Israeli regime can be called anti-Jewish like the poster above you has done?
I dunno. Internal Israeli politics confuse the hell out of me. I'd genuinely like to hear views.Still, we have one orthodox Jew on here who believes Israel to be an anathema on purely religious grounds, and I know Jews who are opponents of Israel.
burwoodman said:
allnighter said:
Grumfutock said:
allnighter said:
Says a man who did just that many times over in this thread! Don't preach what you cannot practice, hypocrite!
Grumfutock said:
Please do not bother to reply as I am really bored of your endless and crazy revisionism.
His knowledge of the history of the conflict is poor and so is his education and the way he expresses himself on this forum.
I will go as far as saying he has a low self esteem and he tries his best to compensate for his short comings by treating this thread like a school yard. He is a poor debater who made many assertions that he could not back up. I and many posters on here tried in vain to get him to answer questions on the very topic that we were discussing and all we get from him is: Well let's move on, or create another diversion to try and make a juvenile point.
His comprehension of the English language is poor to say the least as has been demonstrated on many occasion on here, and let me give you recent and old examples:
allnighter said:
Israel was hardly the 'underdog' that you are trying to portray it to have been, otherwise why did it not allow the UN on its side of the border if it feared the 'numerical disadvantage' as you put it and had borders which were weakly defended? Can you answer that very question?
A very simple question which requires an answer to my bold.He misses the point completely and goes on to address another point which I did not address:
Grumfutock said:
Yep, real easy! The IDF, during peace time, numbered 50,000 so yes, they did have a numerical disadvantage and weakly defended borders. Even when they mobilized and were a full war fighting strength they were out numbered 2-1.
perhaps you can explain to me how 50,000 regular troops defend a border, sorry 3 borders, long term, against 250,000 regular troops? They cant! Only answer is to mobilize your reservists. You cant do that long term as they are vital to civilian life.
You see? whilst what he stated is not being disputed by me at all, he missed the whole point of my question i.e Israel not allowing the UNEF on its side of the border.perhaps you can explain to me how 50,000 regular troops defend a border, sorry 3 borders, long term, against 250,000 regular troops? They cant! Only answer is to mobilize your reservists. You cant do that long term as they are vital to civilian life.
Then he chickens out of the debate when he's cornered, draws the shutters down, as evidenced below and states:
Grumfutock said:
TBH nighter, I cant be bothered to argue over how you perceive history.
It is a fact that the Arab world was massing and Israel launch a preemptive strike. Very simple.
You see? he's no way addressing the question I have asked nor attempted to tackle it. He simply adopts evasive action to obfuscate the point being debated and frustrates whomever he's debating with when he's beyond his depth: It's poor, it's childish, it's moronic, and it's disruptive just like his personality.It is a fact that the Arab world was massing and Israel launch a preemptive strike. Very simple.
Another example of your 'newly found buddy's debating style with another poster on page 257 :
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
As I thought, no moral courage.
Problem is, I'm not sure whether you're an ardent Zionist or simply a supporter of Israel. If the former, then Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Shoenburg et al have already defined the project as racist. I'd be happy to join the list. If the latter, the situation is more complex -- after all, there are non-Jewish Israeli MPs, and non-Jewish Israeli citizens, although one suspects that Begin might have characterised them as "beasts walking on two legs" or Meir have told us that they do not exist. (Well known quotes.) But it would be unfair to call you a racist purely on the basis of support for the current Israel. Grumfutock said:
Sorry but I don't think I will continue discussing anything with you. You have shown yourself to know very little on this subject and to be completely ignorant of facts whilst happy to believe propaganda. I suspect you are one of those that believe the CIA blew up the twin towers.
What propaganda? Or whose propaganda? (I think I've posted more links/made more references to the Times of Israel than anyone else here!) Where is there any evidence anywhere that I believe that anyone other than al Qaeda attacked the twin towers? The problem is that you don't discuss, you don't answer questions, you're unwilling to state where you're coming from.
Grumfutock said:
To debate with you further would be a waste of time.
You don't debate. You ignore -- rather obvious -- humour, you squeal like a little kid when your logic is confounded and accuse your opponents of being trolls, and of holding beliefs for which you have no foundation whatsoever. You are a thug without the intellectual muscle to back it up. And when you're confronted you threaten to take the ball away, so we can't play!Tough. When you -- or anyone else (from my POV this isn't personal) -- posts something I disagree with here, I'll counterpost.
Another example of your mate's brilliant mind:
Grumfutock said:
zuby84 said:
Grumfuotck,
If you believe Israel has not committed war crimes (certainly your prerogative); do you feel that Israel should at least comply with the relevant International authorities in assessing whether in fact Israel has broken International/War Law or not? After all this will stop these accusations being thrown around if your chums really are innocent.
In addition, if you do believe that Israel should comply with any relevant investigations; do you have any objections with Palestine becoming a member of the International Criminal Court and how do you feel that Israel are trying to stop this from taking place?
I agree with that on the condition that the same rules apply to your terrorist chums?.....If you believe Israel has not committed war crimes (certainly your prerogative); do you feel that Israel should at least comply with the relevant International authorities in assessing whether in fact Israel has broken International/War Law or not? After all this will stop these accusations being thrown around if your chums really are innocent.
In addition, if you do believe that Israel should comply with any relevant investigations; do you have any objections with Palestine becoming a member of the International Criminal Court and how do you feel that Israel are trying to stop this from taking place?
A telling example on page 259 of the lack of education when Grum confuses the issue being discussed on here:
Grumfutock said:
zuby84 said:
You've got to hand it to the Zionists though; they have really done remarkably well in making the World believe their own made-up version of history that perpetually paints them as the "victims."
Wow so now the Jews have made up history? Wow. That's impressive.Another prime example of Grum's communicative competence and [-lack of[/-] 'superior' understanding of what's being discussed and the
Grumfutock said:
968 said:
Are you that desperate to discredit a professor that you would use the proximity if their university being in the same state as Hollywood to try and undermine their arguments? Perhaps try using some actually facts to respond to their argument rather than your pathetic attempts to trivialise what they've written? I don't think you are capable so I expect further petty insults and derogatory remarks about any source that criticises your interpretation of events. Of course being more qualified than a professor of middle eastern studies, we should listen to you.
Same state? Now lets not try and make out that UCLA is on the other side of California please. 7 miles away from Hollywood is pretty damned close by any standard.Here's more:
968 said:
Grumfutock said:
Same state? Now lets not try and make out that UCLA is on the other side of California please. 7 miles away from Hollywood is pretty damned close by any standard.
And?Are you actually suggesting that by being near Hollywood means these professors have posted incorrect facts? If so please go through the letter and point out those parts which you can show me evidence for your disagreement. I would like references from professorial sources please.
Colonial said:
Grumfutock said:
Same state? Now lets not try and make out that UCLA is on the other side of California please. 7 miles away from Hollywood is pretty damned close by any standard.
So what? What does that have to do with anything?They are highly respected academics who teach at prestigious schools.
Either come up with something that disputes what they are saying in a clear, rational, coherent manner or drop the argument. It's just really pathetic and embarrassing to read.
Countdown said:
Grumfutock said:
Same state? Now lets not try and make out that UCLA is on the other side of California please. 7 miles away from Hollywood is pretty damned close by any standard.
Same question to you. How does being within 7 miles of Hollywood make a jot of difference to the validity of the article?What a completely bonkers assertion!
Grumfutock said:
968 said:
Grumfutock said:
I have tried factual responses but you don't accept fact so there is no point is there? If it doesn't fit your argument then you have no interest in the response.
No you haven't. You need to respond directly to that letter and the points it addresses which you claim are incorrect. You have made no attempt to do that so don't tell lies or try to deflect the argument again. Read the letter and post specific, referenced responses the claims it states, that you disagree with. You really need to get over this school master syndrome that you have. Reply, with references!!!!
Ok here is my reply.
That paper is the opinion of the two esteemed gentleman and how they see the problem.
It is b
ks. My opinion of it. Reference source: Me, just now.Edited by Grumfutock on Tuesday 19th August 11:53
Incredible baseless assertion from a position of total ignorance! What a fool, which coincidently makes you look as much of a fool.You want to be the Robin of fools because the Batman of fools' position has already been filled by Grum sadly. You do what you do best, settle for second best and polish his shoes, and whilst you're down there........ his ba**s need attention, he's constantly inviting people to do just that on this thread. burwoodman said:
I am a Jew but atheistic. I'm sure that will give you plenty to feed on. I think you just hate jews
Yes the Jew hating card being deployed again, Oh dear!allnighter on page 246 said:
I always find it interesting to read a Jewish perspective that's not blindingly pro-Israel/IDF on the current conflict. It adds to the richness of the debate and I do not wish for that to be spoilt by thread derailments of this magnitude.
Grumfutock said:
JensenA said:
BLAH BLAH YAWN BLAH
And one of the little monkeys comes in to rattle his pathetic stick again. No doubt the other two, Tweedle dumb and Tweddle dumber will be along to add their little contributions. I have more respect for Countdown and even Allnighter. At least they stay the course and don't just pop in to re-light the touch paper every 5 days.
Unfortunately for you, we know you too well to fall for your school yard crap!
zuby84 said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Meanwhile
Netanyahu renews efforts to define Israel as Jewis....
Not at all sure what this is about. An attempt to appease the right wing? A step toward a two state solution? An attempt to divert attention from his son? Where all this will leave non-Jewish Israeli citizens is something of a mystery.
Or perhaps it's so more people who oppose the rather questionable tactics of the Israeli regime can be called anti-Jewish like the poster above you has done? Netanyahu renews efforts to define Israel as Jewis....
Not at all sure what this is about. An attempt to appease the right wing? A step toward a two state solution? An attempt to divert attention from his son? Where all this will leave non-Jewish Israeli citizens is something of a mystery.
So far I am doing well. I had Mrr T making that cretinous accusation that I wished 'most' Jews were dead, and now the strange Burwoodman reading my mind via Wifi or cable and deciding I just hate Jews.
How bizarre! Any more takers? Join the queue please! Pathetic!
Meanwhile, looks like the Israelis are planting listening devices and then blowing them up when they're discovered.
(Haaretz) Israel detonates spying device in south Lebanon, report says.
Mad as hatters.
(Haaretz) Israel detonates spying device in south Lebanon, report says.
Mad as hatters.
Grumfutock said:
JensenA said:
BLAH BLAH YAWN BLAH
And one of the little monkeys comes in to rattle his pathetic stick again. No doubt the other two, Tweedle dumb and Tweddle dumber will be along to add their little contributions. I have more respect for Countdown and even Allnighter. At least they stay the course and don't just pop in to re-light the touch paper every 5 days.
My reply was in response to another poster who has also noticed that all you do is refute any accusation that is not favourable to the IDF, and demand absolute proof.
I, and many others have sympathy for the Palestinians, and can understand their anger at Israels continuing policy of Land grab, which simply inflames the situation. That does not make me, or the others, fanatical Hammas supporters, neither does it make us anti-Semitic.
PS - actually I won't bother typing my PS, which was a prediction of your probable response, we all know what it will be.
Edited by JensenA on Sunday 7th September 08:54
JensenA said:
Grumfutock said:
JensenA said:
BLAH BLAH YAWN BLAH
And one of the little monkeys comes in to rattle his pathetic stick again. No doubt the other two, Tweedle dumb and Tweddle dumber will be along to add their little contributions. I have more respect for Countdown and even Allnighter. At least they stay the course and don't just pop in to re-light the touch paper every 5 days.
Grumfutock said:
JensenA said:
Grumfutock said:
JensenA said:
BLAH BLAH YAWN BLAH
And one of the little monkeys comes in to rattle his pathetic stick again. No doubt the other two, Tweedle dumb and Tweddle dumber will be along to add their little contributions. I have more respect for Countdown and even Allnighter. At least they stay the course and don't just pop in to re-light the touch paper every 5 days.
no it wasn't a'some sort of Macho response' it was a question. Are you as brave face to face? Do you dish out personal insults in real life situations when you are arguing your case? You never answer questions, you just deflect them. JensenA said:
Grumfutock said:
JensenA said:
Grumfutock said:
JensenA said:
BLAH BLAH YAWN BLAH
And one of the little monkeys comes in to rattle his pathetic stick again. No doubt the other two, Tweedle dumb and Tweddle dumber will be along to add their little contributions. I have more respect for Countdown and even Allnighter. At least they stay the course and don't just pop in to re-light the touch paper every 5 days.
no it wasn't a'some sort of Macho response' it was a question. Are you as brave face to face? Do you dish out personal insults in real life situations when you are arguing your case? You never answer questions, you just deflect them. JensenA said:
When I began editing my post, you hadn't replied. Your response was predictable no it wasn't a'some sort of Macho response' it was a question. Are you as brave face to face? Do you dish out personal insults in real life situations when you are arguing your case? You never answer questions, you just deflect them.
Oh really? So that wasn't some childish outburst? OK if you say so. no it wasn't a'some sort of Macho response' it was a question. Are you as brave face to face? Do you dish out personal insults in real life situations when you are arguing your case? You never answer questions, you just deflect them. I am a normal person, when people treat me with respect and maintain boundaries then I do the same. However like most people I tend to treat others the way they treat me. If insulted then I tend to insult back, if attacked then I tend to do the same.
Bravery is a hard commodity to judge. Am I braver than the next guy? I do not know. Do I back away from a fight? No. Do I resort to violence? No. My days of that are long behind me and I have no interest in it.
I think you will find, if you bother to read back, I have answered many, many questions on here, as I am doing for you with this reply. But sadly you appear to be doing what a few others do on here, see a battle and just jump in without bothering to read back. And then disappearing for days until it goes silent then return to stoke the fire. You have contributed 21 posts in this thread and most of them have been to achieve this aim or perhaps you think the post I quote below had a different purpose?
"I do however see Grumfuttock as something of a grammatical pedantic. If I was to say 'the pub was busy tonight, there was about a million people in there,' everyone would know exactly the point I was making, but GM would ask me to prove that there were in fact a million people in the pub, it would then degenerate into him insisting That Improve exactly how many were in fact in the pub. I wouldn't be able to, therefore in his eyes I am a liar, and in actual fact the pub was empty."
allnighter said:
I doubt very much he does that in real life. Like other posters have pointed out before he's a coward when confronted with 'brain taxing' questions, and if Goggle cannot supply him with an answer, he resorts to deflection, insults, and vulgarity. In real life, he would get his gob smacked at every opportunity. It looks like he missed the internet revolution when he was too busy cleaning toilets with a tooth brush, so he's making up for it now with his Gifs and memes like a big kid who's daddy never bought him toys. He's tiresome to read, and tiresome to debate with.
And yet you feel the need to keep mentioning me and replying to me? But thank you for you delightful remarks, it only serves to confirm my thoughts on you, your mentality, and your lack of intellect. You are a keyboard warrior of the lowest kind who brow beats anyone that has the temerity to disagree with you. Maybe it is a lack of self esteem or confidence, possibly even compensation for a sexual dysfunction, I do not know but I am sure Freud could have written a book on you. There is no need to keep replying to my posts. I have repeatedly said that I will not reply to you so the gif will not stop until you get the message.
You seem intent on having the last word by your childish and inane pursuit of this, maybe that is how it works in your life but I will not fall for it or kowtow to your endless berating and pathetic attempts to provoke a fight.
To be honest I find your hysterical attacks on Israel slightly racist and your blind and irrational defence of terrorism somewhat disturbing and boarding on fundamentalism. I do not know your background, nor do I want to, however if you are some sort of radical convert then kindly take it elsewhere.
To be blunt, I think you are an odious throw back to 1970’s and you belong in a cave.
I refuse to continue any discourse with you.
Please do not bother to reply
Slaav said:
What were the actual numbers in 1943 for instance? Or (eg) 1976 etc?
Fair point about the date but the paper did imply we were at a low point when written and although the trend had been downward for a while, it was levelling off.
What are the numbers for other periods?
Ps - without being pedantic
, do gangs fighting each other where deaths occur represent a statistic to back up your numbers? Gangs of how many? Etc etc....
I am not sure which gang one you are referring to but stuff like Mexico is very much a war by any yard stick, 1,400 killed this year and the army involved. Fair point about the date but the paper did imply we were at a low point when written and although the trend had been downward for a while, it was levelling off.
What are the numbers for other periods?
Ps - without being pedantic
, do gangs fighting each other where deaths occur represent a statistic to back up your numbers? Gangs of how many? Etc etc.... I have found the following for 1976, I am not saying either list is exhaustive by any means but I make that 28 in 1976 and 43 for 2014. As I have said previously there are differing criteria for what constitutes a war/conflict so like anything else, with the right statistics, you could prove your argument.
Communist Insurgency in Malaysia
Moro Insurgency in Philippines
Papua conflict
Ethiopian civil war
Angolan civil war
Western Sahara war
Insurgency in Aceh
Dirty War in Argentina?
Insurgency in Laos
Cambodian/Vietnamese war
Lebanese civil war
Civil conflict in the Philippines
Insurgency of the Communist Party of the Philippines
The Troubles in Northern Ireland
Naxalite–Maoist insurgency
Namibian War of Independence
South African Border War
Chadian Civil War
Insurgency in Northeast India
Colombian conflict
Rhodesian Bush War
Dhofar Rebellion
Eritrean War of Independence
Nicaraguan Revolution
Guatemalan Civil War
Basque conflict
Internal conflict in Burma
Korean War
Grumfutock said:
To be honest I find your hysterical attacks on Israel slightly racist and your blind and irrational defence of terrorism somewhat disturbing and boarding on fundamentalism. I do not know your background, nor do I want to, however if you are some sort of radical convert then kindly take it elsewhere.
To be blunt, I think you are an odious throw back to 1970’s and you belong in a cave.
Grumfutock, with all due respect; it's this mindset of people like you and your fellow sympathisers where people either agree with Israeli actions or they're a racist/terrorist which is such a turn-off for people wanting to engage in proper debate. If you can't/don't even want to look at any argument from the opposing point of view - it makes for a primary-school debate. It's like what I imagine arguing with a ISIS fundamentalist would be like.To be blunt, I think you are an odious throw back to 1970’s and you belong in a cave.
Grumfutock said:
allnighter said:
I doubt very much he does that in real life. Like other posters have pointed out before he's a coward when confronted with 'brain taxing' questions, and if Goggle cannot supply him with an answer, he resorts to deflection, insults, and vulgarity. In real life, he would get his gob smacked at every opportunity. It looks like he missed the internet revolution when he was too busy cleaning toilets with a tooth brush, so he's making up for it now with his Gifs and memes like a big kid who's daddy never bought him toys. He's tiresome to read, and tiresome to debate with.
And yet you feel the need to keep mentioning me and replying to me? But thank you for you delightful remarks, it only serves to confirm my thoughts on you, your mentality, and your lack of intellect. You are a keyboard warrior of the lowest kind who brow beats anyone that has the temerity to disagree with you. Maybe it is a lack of self esteem or confidence, possibly even compensation for a sexual dysfunction, I do not know but I am sure Freud could have written a book on you. Grumfutock said:
There is no need to keep replying to my posts. I have repeatedly said that I will not reply to you so the gif will not stop until you get the message.
I was replying to JensenA, and as for your Gifs and memes, I stated my case, presented my evidence and everyone on here can see how pathetic you are. I really do not care if you keep using Gifs like a hormonal teenage girl, the more you use them, the more it confirms the state of your mental health. Grumfutock said:
You seem intent on having the last word by your childish and inane pursuit of this, maybe that is how it works in your life but I will not fall for it or kowtow to your endless berating and pathetic attempts to provoke a fight.
Ah! I gave you the benefit of the doubt in the latest round of debates on here, and I remember asking you to keep debating civil so we can concentrate on the interesting topic being discussed.You decided to treat this thread like a school playground, deflecting any genuine question I have asked, and creating a smoke screen and hiding behind Gifs and utilising provocation and other known methods of yours to obfuscate any argument or opinion that you did not agree with ( or any taxing question you could not answer). I would have respected you more if you admitted that you did not know the answer rather than use your pre-conceived ideas about anyone who disagrees with your opinion as being an "enemy combatant". This is not the army dick brain, it's only the internet, where we exchange ideas and disagree on opinions. You mix opinion with facts, and you mix knowledge with propaganda. We can try to educate you, but only if you are receptive to fresh ideas based on reason. You are incapable of doing any of that as evidenced by many Grumfutock said:
To be honest I find your hysterical attacks on Israel slightly racist and your blind and irrational defence of terrorism somewhat disturbing and boarding on fundamentalism.
Wow, just Wow, I am not even gonna bother asking to provide evidence to back up your blatant lies, "defense of terrorism" and "racism" LMAO!Grumfutock said:
I do not know your background, nor do I want to, however if you are some sort of radical convert then kindly take it elsewhere.
clutching at straws, my word! You are getting desperate! Try this for a change, count till 10 and B-R-E-A-T-H-E. Excellent, do that everytime before you reply to any poster on here.Grumfutock said:
To be blunt, I think you are an odious throw back to 1970’s and you belong in a cave.
Projection again? Nah I am an 80s type of person.Grumfutock said:
I refuse to continue any discourse with you.
How many times have I or any other poster on here heard this from you??And yet you keep coming back to have the 'last word'. Grumfutock said:
Please do not bother to reply
Oh you WILL get a reply every time you make a fool of yourself, don't you worry, your hormonal teenage behaviour is quite 'entertaining', keep those Gifs coming, we will teach you how to use your first tampon soon lovey!xxGassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff