Climate change - the POLITICAL debate. (Vol 5)

[Diderot]

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

Murph7355 said:

gadgetmac said:

How would asking an individual pilot to stop flying help the situation? Is he asking you or anyone else to give up driving?

Does he build the aircraft himself?

Should all of the pro AGW taxi drivers to stop ferrying people around for a living?

Maybe we can ask pro AGW Ambulance drivers to give it a rest while we're at it?

This is a ridiculous argument.

Taxing stuff and "carbon credits" etc aren't doing anything material about it IMO. .

Great cash generating scheme for big polluters though; TATA Steel, ring any bells Gadgetmac?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-359...

Yeah.

1. That you never explained what the fk you were going on about

2. You got me and LoonyTunes mixed up

Professor.

So you're not Loony/GM/Stovey, just GM/Stovey?

[gadgetmac]

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

Murph7355 said:

gadgetmac said:

How would asking an individual pilot to stop flying help the situation? Is he asking you or anyone else to give up driving?

Does he build the aircraft himself?

Should all of the pro AGW taxi drivers to stop ferrying people around for a living?

Maybe we can ask pro AGW Ambulance drivers to give it a rest while we're at it?

This is a ridiculous argument.

Taxing stuff and "carbon credits" etc aren't doing anything material about it IMO. .

Great cash generating scheme for big polluters though; TATA Steel, ring any bells Gadgetmac?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-359...

Yeah.

1. That you never explained what the fk you were going on about

2. You got me and LoonyTunes mixed up

Professor.

So you're not Loony/GM/Stovey, just GM/Stovey?

In the same way that you're not a professor/flat earther just a flat earther

[robinessex]

Flat Earthers believe in Dodgy science. AGW believers believe in dodgy science.

[Diderot]

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

Murph7355 said:

gadgetmac said:

How would asking an individual pilot to stop flying help the situation? Is he asking you or anyone else to give up driving?

Does he build the aircraft himself?

Should all of the pro AGW taxi drivers to stop ferrying people around for a living?

Maybe we can ask pro AGW Ambulance drivers to give it a rest while we're at it?

This is a ridiculous argument.

Taxing stuff and "carbon credits" etc aren't doing anything material about it IMO. .

Great cash generating scheme for big polluters though; TATA Steel, ring any bells Gadgetmac?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-359...

Yeah.

1. That you never explained what the fk you were going on about

2. You got me and LoonyTunes mixed up

Professor.

So you're not Loony/GM/Stovey, just GM/Stovey?

In the same way that you're not a professor/flat earther just a flat earther

Er, no. I don’t believe the earth is flat.

[gadgetmac]

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

Murph7355 said:

gadgetmac said:

How would asking an individual pilot to stop flying help the situation? Is he asking you or anyone else to give up driving?

Does he build the aircraft himself?

Should all of the pro AGW taxi drivers to stop ferrying people around for a living?

Maybe we can ask pro AGW Ambulance drivers to give it a rest while we're at it?

This is a ridiculous argument.

Taxing stuff and "carbon credits" etc aren't doing anything material about it IMO. .

Great cash generating scheme for big polluters though; TATA Steel, ring any bells Gadgetmac?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-359...

Yeah.

1. That you never explained what the fk you were going on about

2. You got me and LoonyTunes mixed up

Professor.

So you're not Loony/GM/Stovey, just GM/Stovey?

In the same way that you're not a professor/flat earther just a flat earther

Er, no. I don’t believe the earth is flat.

You don’t need to, it’s a metaphor.

[gadgetmac]

robinessex said:

Flat Earthers believe in Dodgy science. AGW believers believe in dodgy science.

Flat earthers believe NASA and all of the Scientific Institutions are involved in a global conspiracy.

Flat earthers also believe that although they are not Scientists themselves they are able to contradict the vast majority of published papers with their own superior knowledge.

Flat earthers have a few favourite go-to guys for their info.

Flat earthers also have a handful of sympathetic pseudo scientists on their side.

Flat earthers can’t see that outside of their bubble nobody is listening to their nonsense.

Flat earthers use preferred blogs to cite.

[DibblyDobbler]

Rhyolith said:

Does alarmism work as a means of convincing people?

I find quite the opposite actually - I'm with the mainstream on the basics: temps are going up, we're producing a lot of Co2 and Co2 is a warming gas ergo we're contributing to warming so lets cut back on Co2 (even if it wasn't causing warming, fossil fuels are a scarce resource so preserving them seems sensible right?)

But all the alarmist guff leaves me cold (eg 15 years to save the world!, our children will never see snow again!, it's killing the barrier reef!, it's causing hurricanes!, droughts!, floods! etc etc - all that just leaves me cold (no pun intended) and the approach of 'laying it on thick' I think is quite insulting to the intelligence of the general public.

ps - a general thought - just because you disagree with somebody doesn't make them a

[durbster]

DibblyDobbler said:

Rhyolith said:

Does alarmism work as a means of convincing people?

I find quite the opposite actually - I'm with the mainstream on the basics: temps are going up, we're producing a lot of Co2 and Co2 is a warming gas ergo we're contributing to warming so lets cut back on Co2 (even if it wasn't causing warming, fossil fuels are a scarce resource so preserving them seems sensible right?)

Yep, I think that's true. The hyperbole is off-putting for many people.

That's primarily the fault of the media though, who are consistently bloody terrible at reporting science and just pick the most extreme bits and throw them out there.

[DibblyDobbler]

durbster said:

DibblyDobbler said:

Rhyolith said:

Does alarmism work as a means of convincing people?

I find quite the opposite actually - I'm with the mainstream on the basics: temps are going up, we're producing a lot of Co2 and Co2 is a warming gas ergo we're contributing to warming so lets cut back on Co2 (even if it wasn't causing warming, fossil fuels are a scarce resource so preserving them seems sensible right?)

Yep, I think that's true. The hyperbole is off-putting for many people.

That's primarily the fault of the media though, who are consistently bloody terrible at reporting science and just pick the most extreme bits and throw them out there.

[Diderot]

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

Murph7355 said:

gadgetmac said:

How would asking an individual pilot to stop flying help the situation? Is he asking you or anyone else to give up driving?

Does he build the aircraft himself?

Should all of the pro AGW taxi drivers to stop ferrying people around for a living?

Maybe we can ask pro AGW Ambulance drivers to give it a rest while we're at it?

This is a ridiculous argument.

Taxing stuff and "carbon credits" etc aren't doing anything material about it IMO. .

Great cash generating scheme for big polluters though; TATA Steel, ring any bells Gadgetmac?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-359...

Yeah.

1. That you never explained what the fk you were going on about

2. You got me and LoonyTunes mixed up

Professor.

So you're not Loony/GM/Stovey, just GM/Stovey?

In the same way that you're not a professor/flat earther just a flat earther

Er, no. I don’t believe the earth is flat.

You don’t need to, it’s a metaphor.

I don’t believe the earth is flat.

Do you understand the concept of non sequitur? (Rhetorical question).

[mondeoman]

gadgetmac said:

Murph7355 said:

gadgetmac said:

How would asking an individual pilot to stop flying help the situation? Is he asking you or anyone else to give up driving?

Does he build the aircraft himself?

Should all of the pro AGW taxi drivers to stop ferrying people around for a living?

Maybe we can ask pro AGW Ambulance drivers to give it a rest while we're at it?

This is a ridiculous argument.

It's not that ridiculous an argument though really.

If one believes in AGW, then curbing the 'A' bit should surely be the priority? And yet there's seemingly a reason why the 'A' bits cannot be cut.

How are the cuts that are needed going to happen?

It reminds me of government expenditure. Cuts are needed, but as soon as the government try, every group notes "ah but you can't do that one".

Belief in something "bad" is fine. But if you're not prepared or able to do something material about it then it's all so much hot air. Proving AGW becomes moot.

Taxing stuff and "carbon credits" etc aren't doing anything material about it IMO. Ditto being less heavy with your right foot etc. They are tinkering around the edges.

I'm not saying that something doesn't need to be done, quite the opposite, but it requires a lead from those we've invested power in to come up with solutions. Like telling El Stovey that he should stop flying, one or two people giving up their holiday in Spain on principle isn't going to cut it.

But where do you start and just as importantly where do you end?

Population control, obviously. Who's first?

[mondeoman]

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Flat Earthers believe in Dodgy science. AGW believers believe in dodgy science.

AGW believers believe NASA and all of the Scientific Institutions can never get anything wrong and all models are 100% accurate, everytime.

AGW believers also believe that Scientists are infallible when it comes to climate modelling and question nothing, ever.

AGW believers have a few favourite go-to guys for their info.

AGW believers also have a number of politically motivated scientists on their side.

AGW believers can’t see that outside of their bubble nobody is listening to their nonsense, unless there's an angle they can play.

AGW believers use preferred blogs to cite.

Oooh this is easy, can we do another one?

[Diderot]

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Flat Earthers believe in Dodgy science. AGW believers believe in dodgy science.

Flat earthers believe NASA and all of the Scientific Institutions are involved in a global conspiracy.

Flat earthers also believe that although they are not Scientists themselves they are able to contradict the vast majority of published papers with their own superior knowledge.

Flat earthers have a few favourite go-to guys for their info.

Flat earthers also have a handful of sympathetic pseudo scientists on their side.

Flat earthers can’t see that outside of their bubble nobody is listening to their nonsense.

Flat earthers use preferred blogs to cite.

Who here would argue that the earth is flat? Er that would be no one. So I’m not sure what your non point is attempting to make.

On your NASA ‘we-can-do-nowt-wrong’, hagiographical BS. What is their preferred unit of measurement? Do they even know? What happened to the Mars Climate Orbiter?

[deeps]

gadgetmac said:

deeps said:

gadgetmac said:

Jasandjules said:

El stovey said:

I’m not complicit in anything, and no green loons are coming for me. People need to fly, the best we can do is to do it efficiently, which I am.

No, people do not need to fly. We have been around for many thousands of years yet have been flying for what, 200 or so (Counting balloons here for completeness). We also have technology now that enables us to talk to people on the other side of the world. So no, people do not "Need" to fly. People "want" to fly, that is a completely different thing.

Yes, people do need to fly. Unless you know how we can deliver urgently needed 'stuff' to other parts of the world quickly that involves using video technology. Or get to see dying relatives who live abroad etc.

Shall we also immediately cease to use coal fired electricity for our hospitals and homes?

Technology is moving forward but we are currently on a path that hasn't come to an end end.

What a ridiculous argument.

No. People do not need to fly. People need to breathe, eat and keeping warm is helpful too. They definitely do not need to fly. Logic fail again.

Up sweating again at 3am again eh

Explain how we get urgently needed vaccines from one part of the globe to another then?

How can we move rural patients quickly to large medical centres? How can we quickly transport time-sensitive organs from one facility to another?

How about visiting elderly or sick relatives abroad?

It's like saying we don't need cars because horses are available.

Should we all dump our vehicles? Maybe do away with Big ships, hell we can sail our perishables around the world?

That top IQ of yours isn't really working for you is it?

Why are you obsessed with the time of my posts? Strange.

Logic fail again. You don't even comprehend the difference between desire and necessity.

[deeps]

El stovey said:

gadgetmac said:

How would asking an individual pilot to stop flying help the situation? Is he asking you or anyone else to give up driving?

Does he build the aircraft himself?

Should all of the pro AGW taxi drivers to stop ferrying people around for a living?

Maybe we can ask pro AGW Ambulance drivers to give it a rest while we're at it?

This is a ridiculous argument.

What about anyone who works in a power station or oil refinery or drives the tube or a boat or oil tanker or works in a petrol station. Who refuels the aircraft? Who built it? Are hospitals polluting? What about ambulances? The armed forces? How do they all sleep at night?

So finally, we see the two main alarmists of AGW theory and largest contributors of CO2, affirming to each other that reducing emissions will have no effect on climate. I agree with them, but it took some time getting there.

[deeps]

From fake news to fake science...

Article said:

This really might end up being "quote of the year" rather than "quote of the week". This morning Pres. Donald Trump tweeted about Dr. Patrick Moore the co-founder of Greenpeace. What he said is creating a firestorm amongst some green organizations.
snip

Greenpeace has already fired back obviously very upset. But at the same time they are illustrating just how much of a bunch of liars they are:

From the world's most viewed site on global warming...

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/03/12/trump-calls...

(1 minute read time)

[gadgetmac]

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

Diderot said:

Murph7355 said:

gadgetmac said:

How would asking an individual pilot to stop flying help the situation? Is he asking you or anyone else to give up driving?

Does he build the aircraft himself?

Should all of the pro AGW taxi drivers to stop ferrying people around for a living?

Maybe we can ask pro AGW Ambulance drivers to give it a rest while we're at it?

This is a ridiculous argument.

Taxing stuff and "carbon credits" etc aren't doing anything material about it IMO. .

Great cash generating scheme for big polluters though; TATA Steel, ring any bells Gadgetmac?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-359...

Yeah.

1. That you never explained what the fk you were going on about

2. You got me and LoonyTunes mixed up

Professor.

So you're not Loony/GM/Stovey, just GM/Stovey?

In the same way that you're not a professor/flat earther just a flat earther

Er, no. I don’t believe the earth is flat.

You don’t need to, it’s a metaphor.

I don’t believe the earth is flat.

Do you understand the concept of non sequitur? (Rhetorical question).

I see your "PhD" doesn't help with Analogies then prof.

[gadgetmac]

Diderot said:

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Flat Earthers believe in Dodgy science. AGW believers believe in dodgy science.

Flat earthers believe NASA and all of the Scientific Institutions are involved in a global conspiracy.

Flat earthers also believe that although they are not Scientists themselves they are able to contradict the vast majority of published papers with their own superior knowledge.

Flat earthers have a few favourite go-to guys for their info.

Flat earthers also have a handful of sympathetic pseudo scientists on their side.

Flat earthers can’t see that outside of their bubble nobody is listening to their nonsense.

Flat earthers use preferred blogs to cite.

Who here would argue that the earth is flat? Er that would be no one. So I’m not sure what your non point is attempting to make.

On your NASA ‘we-can-do-nowt-wrong’, hagiographical BS. What is their preferred unit of measurement? Do they even know? What happened to the Mars Climate Orbiter?

Ah good. The similarities between you and a flat earther are reconfirmed.

Care to talk about all of the landers that ARE and HAVE trundled around on Mars?

I notice you're not caring about the difference between the Space side of NASA and the climate side of NASA this time.

[gadgetmac]

mondeoman said:

gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Flat Earthers believe in Dodgy science. AGW believers believe in dodgy science.

AGW believers believe NASA and all of the Scientific Institutions can never get anything wrong and all models are 100% accurate, everytime.

AGW believers also believe that Scientists are infallible when it comes to climate modelling and question nothing, ever.

AGW believers have a few favourite go-to guys for their info.

AGW believers also have a number of politically motivated scientists on their side.

AGW believers can’t see that outside of their bubble nobody is listening to their nonsense, unless there's an angle they can play.

AGW believers use preferred blogs to cite.

Oooh this is easy, can we do another one?

Fill your boots.

[turbobloke]

The political blog Climate Depot shows Greenpeace co-founder Dr Moore being Trumpeted in a tweet..