45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)
Discussion
The Dangerous Elk said:
hidetheelephants said:
What's the point of letting them back in? The reason for their being sent to Coventry has not been remedied nor has Putin offered even a sop toward addressing the issue so allowing re-entry would render sanction meaningless.
I always thought "engagement and talking" was the mantra of the left/libs ? but not the Russians it seems.IRA = yes, Hamas = yes, anybody = yes, but if Trumps says whoever = no. Strange double standards going on here.
Byker28i said:
_dobbo_ said:
Trump is now considering pardoning 3000 more people, including Mohammed Ali.
Mohammed Ali doesn’t need a pardon, his conviction for draft dodging was overturned by the Supreme Court in 1971.
So Trump in his largesse is planning pardons for people who don’t even need them, what a guy!
He got praise from the wrong Kim for his latest pardon, more pardons, more praise. It's all about his approvals.Mohammed Ali doesn’t need a pardon, his conviction for draft dodging was overturned by the Supreme Court in 1971.
So Trump in his largesse is planning pardons for people who don’t even need them, what a guy!
He must have grown up without any parental love..,
frankenstein12 said:
. His brash manner tends to work and get him what he wants normally.
does it? I'd suggest that when you are a multi-millionaire, and have surrounded yourself by people you pay to say "yes" then indeed, he probably gets what he wants (although the general trend of his business is towards failure, and he only survives several significant poorly managed crises by being given money by his even richer family. In the real world, when you don't actually hold all the cards in a winning hand all the time, then being a tw*t wins you few friends and makes you a lot of enemies, and eventually, that comes back to bite you.....
Max_Torque said:
does it?
I'd suggest that when you are a multi-millionaire, and have surrounded yourself by people you pay to say "yes" then indeed, he probably gets what he wants (although the general trend of his business is towards failure, and he only survives several significant poorly managed crises by being given money by his even richer family. In the real world, when you don't actually hold all the cards in a winning hand all the time, then being a tw*t wins you few friends and makes you a lot of enemies, and eventually, that comes back to bite you.....
It does indeed.I'd suggest that when you are a multi-millionaire, and have surrounded yourself by people you pay to say "yes" then indeed, he probably gets what he wants (although the general trend of his business is towards failure, and he only survives several significant poorly managed crises by being given money by his even richer family. In the real world, when you don't actually hold all the cards in a winning hand all the time, then being a tw*t wins you few friends and makes you a lot of enemies, and eventually, that comes back to bite you.....
_dobbo_ said:
Trump is now considering pardoning 3000 more people, including Mohammed Ali.
Mohammed Ali doesn’t need a pardon, his conviction for draft dodging was overturned by the Supreme Court in 1971.
So Trump in his largesse is planning pardons for people who don’t even need them, what a guy!
like not inviting people to the whitehouse who didn't wanna go anyway.Mohammed Ali doesn’t need a pardon, his conviction for draft dodging was overturned by the Supreme Court in 1971.
So Trump in his largesse is planning pardons for people who don’t even need them, what a guy!
I guess he's being successful in these endeavours
IJB1959 said:
All this new 'pardoning' stuff to me smacks of Trump now thinking he is a god like figure (all your sins are forgiven). Power has definitely gone to his head.
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.He’s always abused his power eg “grab them by the pussy”. It should come as no surprise that he is now asserting that he can abuse his power to pardon himself of any and all crimes. He thinks (quite possibly correctly) that he is untouchable and 63m Americans voluntarily put a man they knew had a history of abusing his power in the most powerful position in the world, not that the alternative was a whole lot better.
djc206 said:
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
He’s always abused his power eg “grab them by the pussy”. It should come as no surprise that he is now asserting that he can abuse his power to pardon himself of any and all crimes. He thinks (quite possibly correctly) that he is untouchable and 63m Americans voluntarily put a man they knew had a history of abusing his power in the most powerful position in the world, not that the alternative was a whole lot better.
He’s a crook. He’s bound to like the idea of pardons. He’s always abused his power eg “grab them by the pussy”. It should come as no surprise that he is now asserting that he can abuse his power to pardon himself of any and all crimes. He thinks (quite possibly correctly) that he is untouchable and 63m Americans voluntarily put a man they knew had a history of abusing his power in the most powerful position in the world, not that the alternative was a whole lot better.
(From Fox News) Trump on NAFTA: “We are going to deal with the unfair trade practices. If you look what Canada, Mexico, the European Union, what all of them have been doing to us for many decades, we have to change it," he said. “And they understand it’s going to happen.”
“If we’re unable to make a deal, we’ll terminate NAFTA, we’ll have a better deal,” he said. “If we’re unable to make a deal, we will be better off...we’re not going to live with the deals the way they are.”
But he added: “That being said, I think we’ll very easily make a deal.”
Sounds just like Obamacare then.
That went well...
djc206 said:
frankenstein12 said:
Ok you can see it that way if you wish.
People who dislike Trump simply cannot give him any credit for anything. I noted with interest the skepticism that Trump would even get Kim to meet with him from the Anti Trumpers initially, then when Kim agreed the Anti Trumpers almost seemed to hope the meeting would be called off which it was and they seemd to react with glee that Trump had "failed".
Now the meeting is back on it seems the Anti Trumpers are back to "I hope it fails and if it doesnt it has nothing to do with Trump and is all Kim Jong Uns doing as he is such a great guy".
Its really tragic.
People cannot see past their hatred of Trump to give him credit for anything unless of course its negative.
I sincerely hope something good comes of it. I don’t care who negotiates I just think it’s ridiculous it’s taken this long to sit down and talk like adults, I just hope that Trump can behave like an adult long enough to actually achieve something. Let’s be honest though it’s South Korea who have spearheaded this latest round of diplomacy, Trump has just tweeted personal insults and gotten pissy when NK responded in kind.People who dislike Trump simply cannot give him any credit for anything. I noted with interest the skepticism that Trump would even get Kim to meet with him from the Anti Trumpers initially, then when Kim agreed the Anti Trumpers almost seemed to hope the meeting would be called off which it was and they seemd to react with glee that Trump had "failed".
Now the meeting is back on it seems the Anti Trumpers are back to "I hope it fails and if it doesnt it has nothing to do with Trump and is all Kim Jong Uns doing as he is such a great guy".
Its really tragic.
People cannot see past their hatred of Trump to give him credit for anything unless of course its negative.
I’ll remind you what Hannity said about Obama wanting to meet and negotiate:
“willingness to meet with North Korea is one of the most disturbing displays of Obama’s lack of foreign policy experience.”
The same man then said:
"[Donald Trumps] willingness to meet with North Korea is a huge foreign policy win."
There is no winning in American politics.
All we can all do is hope some good comes out of the meeting and if it does congratulate and give credit to all involved.
Byker28i said:
A trump tweet for every occasion
"No president has lied to the American people more than obama..."
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/...
Most ridiculous tweet from him yet"No president has lied to the American people more than obama..."
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/...
vonuber said:
Byker28i said:
He got praise from the wrong Kim for his latest pardon, more pardons, more praise. It's all about his approvals.
He must have grown up without any parental love..,
His dad was a big fan of the KKK and various fascist organisations, incidentally.He must have grown up without any parental love..,
_dobbo_ said:
Trump is now considering pardoning 3000 more people, including Mohammed Ali.
Mohammed Ali doesn’t need a pardon, his conviction for draft dodging was overturned by the Supreme Court in 1971.
So Trump in his largesse is planning pardons for people who don’t even need them, what a guy!
Once again proving what I and many people who agree with some of Trumps actions keep saying. Trump could go all superman and swoop off into the sky and divert a meteor from hitting the planet and anti Trumpers would still find reason to criticise or to credit anyone or anything other than Trump.Mohammed Ali doesn’t need a pardon, his conviction for draft dodging was overturned by the Supreme Court in 1971.
So Trump in his largesse is planning pardons for people who don’t even need them, what a guy!
His most recent two pardons have been called for for years and neither Obama nor Clinton pardoned them. Trump does so and he gets criticised for doing so as it's "just a about his ego or a PR exercise".
Trump talks about pardoning lots of other people who maybe shouldn't still be in jail and looking at reforming the US prison and justice system which tends to "unfairly" target people of ethnicity and he just gets more criticism.
Edited by frankenstein12 on Saturday 9th June 12:22
Edited by frankenstein12 on Saturday 9th June 12:24
frankenstein12 said:
vonuber said:
Byker28i said:
He got praise from the wrong Kim for his latest pardon, more pardons, more praise. It's all about his approvals.
He must have grown up without any parental love..,
His dad was a big fan of the KKK and various fascist organisations, incidentally.He must have grown up without any parental love..,
Macron, Trudeau Say They Weren’t Going to Tell Trump Where G-7 After Party Was: https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/ma...
How is this not satire?
*Pinches self in the hope of waking up to find out that today is April 1st... Nope.
The article is in fact not satire.
How is this not satire?
*Pinches self in the hope of waking up to find out that today is April 1st... Nope.
The article is in fact not satire.
frankenstein12 said:
Once again proving what I and many people who agree with some of Trumps actions keep saying. Trump could go all superman and swoop off into the sky and divert a meteor from hitting the planet and anti Trumpers would still find reason to criticise or to credit anyone or anything other than Trump.
His most recent two pardons have been called for for years and neither Obama nor Clinton pardoned them. Trump does so and he gets criticised for doing so as it's "just a about his ego or a PR exercise".
Trump talks about pardoning lots of other people who maybe shouldn't still be in jail and looking at reforming the US prison and justice system which tends to "unfairly" target people of ethnicity and he just gets more criticism.
Trump has pardoned fewer people than other presidents had at this point in their service.His most recent two pardons have been called for for years and neither Obama nor Clinton pardoned them. Trump does so and he gets criticised for doing so as it's "just a about his ego or a PR exercise".
Trump talks about pardoning lots of other people who maybe shouldn't still be in jail and looking at reforming the US prison and justice system which tends to "unfairly" target people of ethnicity and he just gets more criticism.
Edited by frankenstein12 on Saturday 9th June 12:22
Edited by frankenstein12 on Saturday 9th June 12:24
The fact he's suggested pardoning Ali, who had already been cleared by the Supreme Court decades ago suggests he's not exactly done that much research about who and why people should be pardoned.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/07/tr...
Tartan Pixie said:
Macron, Trudeau Say They Weren’t Going to Tell Trump Where G-7 After Party Was: https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/ma...
How is this not satire?
*Pinches self in the hope of waking up to find out that today is April 1st... Nope.
The article is in fact not satire.
What is incredible is that you think that article has any credibility at all. "Merkel rolled her eyes" Really??How is this not satire?
*Pinches self in the hope of waking up to find out that today is April 1st... Nope.
The article is in fact not satire.
I call absolute BS. That is not the sort of behaviour I would expect from Merkel at the least. Macron and Trudeau well them being Childish and petulant would not surprise me.
frankenstein12 said:
vonuber said:
Byker28i said:
He got praise from the wrong Kim for his latest pardon, more pardons, more praise. It's all about his approvals.
He must have grown up without any parental love..,
His dad was a big fan of the KKK and various fascist organisations, incidentally.He must have grown up without any parental love..,
rscott said:
frankenstein12 said:
Once again proving what I and many people who agree with some of Trumps actions keep saying. Trump could go all superman and swoop off into the sky and divert a meteor from hitting the planet and anti Trumpers would still find reason to criticise or to credit anyone or anything other than Trump.
His most recent two pardons have been called for for years and neither Obama nor Clinton pardoned them. Trump does so and he gets criticised for doing so as it's "just a about his ego or a PR exercise".
Trump talks about pardoning lots of other people who maybe shouldn't still be in jail and looking at reforming the US prison and justice system which tends to "unfairly" target people of ethnicity and he just gets more criticism.
Trump has pardoned fewer people than other presidents had at this point in their service.His most recent two pardons have been called for for years and neither Obama nor Clinton pardoned them. Trump does so and he gets criticised for doing so as it's "just a about his ego or a PR exercise".
Trump talks about pardoning lots of other people who maybe shouldn't still be in jail and looking at reforming the US prison and justice system which tends to "unfairly" target people of ethnicity and he just gets more criticism.
Edited by frankenstein12 on Saturday 9th June 12:22
Edited by frankenstein12 on Saturday 9th June 12:24
The fact he's suggested pardoning Ali, who had already been cleared by the Supreme Court decades ago suggests he's not exactly done that much research about who and why people should be pardoned.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/07/tr...
Tartan Pixie said:
Macron, Trudeau Say They Weren’t Going to Tell Trump Where G-7 After Party Was: https://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/ma...
How is this not satire?
*Pinches self in the hope of waking up to find out that today is April 1st... Nope.
The article is in fact not satire.
Trumps making the us isolated, seems to be that what he thinks America first is.How is this not satire?
*Pinches self in the hope of waking up to find out that today is April 1st... Nope.
The article is in fact not satire.
macron says he's quite happy to make it a G6.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
Putincant believe his luck at destabilisation and weakening of the us as a world force.
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