CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 10)

[isaldiri]

RSTurboPaul said:

I am aware isaldiri disagrees but I can see no other reason to maintain restrictions in the face of soon-to-be double-digit deaths per day, even considering the usual SAGE apocalypse predictions.

when have I ever disagreed that the government is made up of spineless cowardly shots intent of filling the pockets of their friendly associates by handing out heaps of lucrative useless contracts?

[Taylor James]

grumbledoak said:

RSTurboPaul said:

If it is going to take three months to get Vaccine Passports working in the EU (as per Merkel's comment's on Youtube somewhere), current restrictions would conveniently take us through to just when they are available...


IMO Govt doesn't want to release us from lockdown without the 'green pass' being rolled out because (as with implementing lockdowns just after infection curves peak) it would clearly show nothing they are doing has any effect and people would not then accept imposition of restrictions (lockdown or 'freedom passes') later., while also stopping them from putting in place a key piece of electronic population control.


I am aware isaldiri disagrees but I can see no other reason to maintain restrictions in the face of soon-to-be double-digit deaths per day, even considering the usual SAGE apocalypse predictions.

It isn’t just the pharmaceuticals making hay.

Digital ID will be rammed through.

And the population are being trained to believe that lockdowns are acceptable, necessary, and that they work. Because the government will want to use them again.

Haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere on here but interestingly there was a news article yesterday saying there are an estimated 1.2M illegals in this country and how most will not be having the jab. The article went on to show 'no ID, no questions asked' jabbing centres but didn't address how these people will get a vax passport, let alone a digital ID.

[TheJimi]

anonymous said:

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Vile fearmongering rancid bd *S*

[isaldiri]

poo at Paul's said:

I too think there will be some form of lockdown after xmas next year, WFH / Stay at home orders etc, even some schools restricited or closed. If used wisely to counter the effects of both winter covid and winter health service pressures, whilst not ideal for anyone, i think you have to accept it.

You've got to be financially benefitting from the whole restrictions and lockdown crap given how orgasmic you have been all throughout at the mere thought of restrictions.

There is far less chance of large numbers of hospitalisations and critical care requirements after the over 50s get their second doses.

The only reason for a lockdown the coming winter short of something very unexpected at this point would only be to appease lunatic karens like you. Happily, states like Florida have shown very heavy restrictions make little impact (see WSJ article comparing to California) and with more US states not being absurdly cautious that will very clearly make an obvious enough break with what has gone before and drag everyone out of the doom mongering forever lockdown circle faster so only the loons like you keep on screaming for more lockdowns in winter.

[Ntv]

anonymous said:

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Good grief ... is someone somewhere in a hospice actually going to die??


FS, shut the schools NOW !

[RSTurboPaul]

isaldiri said:

poo at Paul's said:

I too think there will be some form of lockdown after xmas next year, WFH / Stay at home orders etc, even some schools restricited or closed. If used wisely to counter the effects of both winter covid and winter health service pressures, whilst not ideal for anyone, i think you have to accept it.

You've got to be financially benefitting from the whole restrictions and lockdown crap given how orgasmic you have been all throughout at the mere thought of restrictions.

There is far less chance of large numbers of hospitalisations and critical care requirements after the over 50s get their second doses.

The only reason for a lockdown the coming winter short of something very unexpected at this point would only be to appease lunatic karens like you. Happily, states like Florida have shown very heavy restrictions make little impact (see WSJ article comparing to California) and with more US states not being absurdly cautious that will very clearly make an obvious enough break with what has gone before and drag everyone out of the doom mongering forever lockdown circle faster so only the loons like you keep on screaming for more lockdowns in winter.

I really, really hope this is the case.

Although will we even hear about such anti-narrative news in the 'MSM' over here?

isaldiri said:

RSTurboPaul said:

I am aware isaldiri disagrees but I can see no other reason to maintain restrictions in the face of soon-to-be double-digit deaths per day, even considering the usual SAGE apocalypse predictions.

when have I ever disagreed that the government is made up of spineless cowardly shots intent of filling the pockets of their friendly associates by handing out heaps of lucrative useless contracts?

I meant in terms of saluting our new Fuhrer Schwab while waving our 'freedom passes' around


Personally, I'm thinking about starting a line of attractive Star of David armbands for us lepers who will be branded 'refuseniks' by Summer because we don't want to submit to vaccination. Perhaps I might even add a line in leper bells, so the obedient can hear us coming and run for the hills.

[isaldiri]

RSTurboPaul said:

Personally, I'm thinking about starting a line of attractive Star of David armbands for us lepers who will be branded 'refuseniks' by Summer because we don't want to submit to vaccination. Perhaps I might even add a line in leper bells, so the obedient can hear us coming and run for the hills.

. you might be onto a winner there actually esp the bells. Quick let's setup a company and apply for free money aka a BBL loan to 'invest' in it while we still can!

[anonymous-user]

Taylor James said:

Haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere on here but interestingly there was a news article yesterday saying there are an estimated 1.2M illegals in this country and how most will not be having the jab. The article went on to show 'no ID, no questions asked' jabbing centres but didn't address how these people will get a vax passport, let alone a digital ID.

Likewise I know a handful of people who have has the jab (not at risk groups) through a ‘friend’ (GP or similar) but not through the official channels.

How are they going to be accounted for correctly, and what about jab 2 (system will think they need jab 1), etc...

[MiniMan64]

soofsayer said:

Taylor James said:

Haven't seen it mentioned elsewhere on here but interestingly there was a news article yesterday saying there are an estimated 1.2M illegals in this country and how most will not be having the jab. The article went on to show 'no ID, no questions asked' jabbing centres but didn't address how these people will get a vax passport, let alone a digital ID.

Likewise I know a handful of people who have has the jab (not at risk groups) through a ‘friend’ (GP or similar) but not through the official channels.

How are they going to be accounted for correctly, and what about jab 2 (system will think they need jab 1), etc...

I’m in that group, a friend of my wife was doing the jabs and thy had leftovers so needed to some extras in so the doses weren’t wasted. They still needed my NHS number even though I wasn’t officially invited so I am still registered at my GP and will get second jab in due course.

If you’re talking about people who’s mates brought them a jab at home or secretly than that’s different and really rather daft.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Some interesting posts on Reddit about test and trace

https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/commen...

And this gem:

LeoFan40 said:

I’ve worked on Test and Trace for a year and that’s why I’m so sceptical of this entire ‘pandemic’. Me and about 21,000 others are paid £9 an hour to sit by our laptops and look for any cases to pop up, and then we have to call them and tell them about the isolation procedure.

I can go weeks without a single call. 99% of the time when I DO get a call, the case has zero symptoms or a mild cough. I’m extremely grateful for any employment and don’t want it to end for very selfish reasons (I’m dreading going back to Universal Credit) but the job is a fking disaster.

LeoFan40 said:

I totally get it. It’s funny that I’m so anti lockdown and think the entire thing is a scam yet this is what I do for a living.

We’ve had pre-recorded messages from Boris, Matt and Dido Harding ‘thanking’ us for our ‘hard work’ and all the virtue signalling team leaders constantly give us motivational speeches about how we’re saving lives and turning the country round and it’s fking nauseating. Don’t get me wrong, there is a decent system in there somewhere - there’s plenty of training if there’s ever a rare circumstance where someone gets really ill while you’re on the phone and you have to ask for a ton of detail in regards to where the case has been, who they’ve been with and when they were last outside etc but the problem is that there just isn’t enough cases to actually call and after a year of this bullst nobody can be arsed sitting on the phone for 45 mins explaining everything to a contact tracer when clearly none of this makes any difference to ending lockdown anyway.

[bodhi]

isaldiri said:

bodhi said:

I cast my mind back to science class when I was growing up, and Aus/NZ were mentioned a lot back then in relation to the scare story of the time - the hole in the Ozone layer. Less ozone means less UV Filtration of sunlight, means more UV radiation hitting Earth below it.

Australia/New Zealand at the top of the pile, as you would expect if they are having issues with their UV filter in the sky. Interestingly the league table there almost seems to be a mirror image of how affected the same countries were with COVID.....

So whilst they did keep their numbers low, is it not the case that Australia / New Zealand were an incredibly harsh environment for the virus to survive - especially given the virus arrived in summer when everyone was outside enjoying the weather?

Ergo let's not shower too much praise on them, considering they were playing Call of COVID 2020 on the Easy Setting?

I don't think it's likely UV or lack thereof explains the difference to Oz/NZ unfortunately as most maybe all transmission pretty much takes place indoors where that extra UV due to lack of ozone wouldn't be around. UV/vit d levels might make a (slight) difference to disease severity but not incidence I still tjink. Chile in the south has recorded relatively high levels of covid too so it's I think very unlikely to the major differentiating factor.

Oh there is definitely more to it than just the amount of UV light exposure they have - although I would argue that when COVID initially hit, most of the residents of Oz/NZ were meeting up outdoors as it was their summer, hence there was much less transmission anyway (as we saw last summer as well).

Interesting that you mention Vitamin D, as research has shown in the past an incredibly strong link between UVB exposure (the UV rays Ozone primarily blocks) and Vitamin D Synsthesis - and even stronger link than between UVB and sunburn, incredibly enough...

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006AGUFM.A21F09...

Harvard said:

Namely, vitamin D is strongly affected by ozone variability, since ozone filters UVB more strongly than UVA. Moreover, since erythema (sunburn) can occur at UVA wavelengths, ozone variation will more strongly affect vitamin D synthesis than erythema.

So whilst the effectiveness of the restrictions cannot be underestimated - primarily the border closures, considering the limited effects we are seeing from people staying at home - I'm struggling to believe there aren't several - so far undiscovered - natural influences that are dictating how a country fares. I mean even if all countries took exactly the same action at exactly the same time - would we expect them all to end up with exactly the same death rate?

Agreed Chile had a very different outcome for the same latitude, however looking at their figures:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/...

It looks to me that CV hit Chile a couple of months later than Oz/NZ, and that couple of months tipped the epidemic from happening in March, or late summer, to May/June when Chile is getting into the depths of winter. So temperatures ideal for CV's to transmit, less UV light/Vitamin D to help the locals immune system.

[GT03ROB]

Thankyou4calling said:

GT03ROB said:

Having been back in the UK for 2 weeks now, from what I can see nobody. Aside from shops, pubs, restaurants being closed, I honestly can't see any difference to the norm.

So, very different to the norm.

Not really, shops I need are open so not had any problems, go where I like.... pubs / restaurants I'll grant you.... but really it's not like I'm in either normally all the time,

[Pete102]

johnboy1975 said:

I saw that. She sounded genuinely angry However, she wasn't on the barricades herself, so how could GS join her? Metaphorically I guess would be her defence. And GS's seems to be that it's all going swimmingly (apparently we are the only country in the world to have a lockdown lifting plan - did I hear that right????)

But many many weasel words from GS about not everyone having had their 2nd jabs yet (which is a definite goalposts shift from Boris on 4th of Jan and GS himself when interviewed by JHB shortly after)

Oof. That was genuinely awkward to listen to.

GS is hopelessly out of his depth, its all bluster and bullst. The entire 2nd jab thing is a big fat moving of the goalposts, sickening.

[bodhi]

And just to take a break from random hypothesizing about the hole in the Ozone layer, I'd also like to put someone forward for an award.

I'm going to call it "The Neil Ferguson Do As I Say Award", and the first candidate we have in 2021 is.........

Eric Feigl-Ding.

Lobbies for a year against schools opening in person in the US and wants to put a stop to all international travel, all whilst flying his kids to a Private School in Austria so they could attend in person.

https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1369488...

Wow.

[Pete102]

GT03ROB said:

Not really, shops I need are open so not had any problems, go where I like.... pubs / restaurants I'll grant you.... but really it's not like I'm in either normally all the time,

Those employed (or not employed as the case may be) by the pubs and restaurants not open may have a significantly different view to life being normal. I know you probably don't want it to come across as 'I'm alright Jack'...but it does. Our civil liberties have been put on hold, that's definitely not normal.

[vonuber]

I'll tell you how bad it's been, I really want to go to Nandos.

Nandos for Christ sake.

[rfsteel]

V88Dicky said:

I have a growing collection of LFDs in my work bag, going to have to find somewhere else to stow them

I'd be tempted to test them using household liquids to see if that causes a positive reactions, eg water, milk, yoghurt, toothpaste, fruit juice etc and then uploaded the tests and results to PH/youtube

[johnboy1975]

bodhi said:

Interesting that you mention Vitamin D, as research has shown in the past an incredibly strong link between UVB exposure (the UV rays Ozone primarily blocks) and Vitamin D Synsthesis - and even stronger link than between UVB and sunburn, incredibly enough...

https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2006AGUFM.A21F09...

Harvard said:

Namely, vitamin D is strongly affected by ozone variability, since ozone filters UVB more strongly than UVA. Moreover, since erythema (sunburn) can occur at UVA wavelengths, ozone variation will more strongly affect vitamin D synthesis than erythema.

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Talking of vit D, sky news claim 2 new studies have debunked it's use wrt covid

Sky News: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-uk-late...

8.21 post

However, even pre covid, vit D was seen as being good for a healthy immune system.

My pills say
"Supports the normal functioning of a healthy immune system"

A vaccine it isn't. A great little helper it almost certainly is.

I'd struggle to believe "high vit D" patients didn't do (substantially) better than equivalently healthy "low vit D" patients.

Ill see if I can find more, the studies should be out there

[GT03ROB]

London424 said:

Pete102 said:

anonymous said:

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Martial arts clubs. closed.
Ice rinks. closed/
cinema. closed.
tennis club. closed

etc.

This is very much NOT normal.

I feel quite sad for people whose lives aren’t much different or have minimal impact in the current situation to what it was like before.

My point was aimed at the fact that from what I see many people are very much going about their business as before & largely ignoring the rules where possible.

[Graveworm]

vonuber said:

I'll tell you how bad it's been, I really want to go to Nandos.

Nandos for Christ sake.

One of the upsides of Ageusia from Covid.