45th President of the United States, Donald Trump. (Vol 4)
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F1GTRUeno said:
If you think Trump and Putin could achieve great things together then there's every need to get personal.
You've got something seriously f
king wrong with you.
Hmm the two most powerful people in the world COULD achieve great things together whether you like that fact or not. WILL they do it is another question though.You've got something seriously f
king wrong with you.Eric Mc said:
vonuber said:
Has he got dementia or something?
There is something going on - I'm convinced. He has a promiscuous background - maybe he caught something.
Don't forget trump is the heathliest, lightest, slimist, tallest, best genes ever of any president. He told us so, via the doctors note he wrote
Dibble said:
I don’t really do meaningful political comment as I’m not well read enough, but I will just leave this here...
Trudeaus team have released their imagehttps://mobile.twitter.com/newsbyhughes/status/100...
it looks like he hasn't a clue, isn't interested.
Trudeau and Macron should just speak French in front of him, and drop the only English word 'Mueller' into the conversation every sentence 😀
Edited by Byker28i on Sunday 10th June 09:23
I work in the offshore industry. If someone with no knowledge of the industry walked aboard any ship and tried to get a job done they would find multiple barriers (physical and paper) in place to stop anyone just doing anything. If that same person tore all that system down the guys on the boat would be more than happy; all of a sudden you don't have to wear eye protection, fill in a form to start welding, walk anywhere on the boat at any time...
But those systems weren't put in place for convenience or to make anyone's life any easier. They were put in place over many many years after multiple deaths, injuries and environmental damage. You can't see that if you have no experience of the working environment and all you do is canvass the guys in the back deck coffee shack. Remove it all and you're back in the 60's where people were paid high wages for a reason; deaths were the norm.
The world 'order' is there for a reason. Tearing it down is short sighted, narrow minded and naive. It will lead to internal and external struggle and the very high likelihood of war and that's not some doom-mongering statement with no basis in fact; it's 3000+ years of human history. Do not underestimate the damage that is being done right now.
But those systems weren't put in place for convenience or to make anyone's life any easier. They were put in place over many many years after multiple deaths, injuries and environmental damage. You can't see that if you have no experience of the working environment and all you do is canvass the guys in the back deck coffee shack. Remove it all and you're back in the 60's where people were paid high wages for a reason; deaths were the norm.
The world 'order' is there for a reason. Tearing it down is short sighted, narrow minded and naive. It will lead to internal and external struggle and the very high likelihood of war and that's not some doom-mongering statement with no basis in fact; it's 3000+ years of human history. Do not underestimate the damage that is being done right now.
coyft said:
Yes farcical that unemployment is the lowest this century, markets are at all time high, wages growing and illegal immigration dropping like a stone.
At the same time a president who is willing to talk to long term enemies in order to achieve peace.
The biggest farce is that the US has a politician who is doing what he said he would!
Yes - he said he would do moronic things and he is indeed fulfilling that promise.At the same time a president who is willing to talk to long term enemies in order to achieve peace.
The biggest farce is that the US has a politician who is doing what he said he would!
He should be congratulated for sticking to his guns.
And for goodness sake stop blathering about the unemployment rate. During the election the numbers were good and he lambasted their accuracy. Why are they suddenly accurate now?
AreOut said:
Hmm the two most powerful people in the world COULD achieve great things together whether you like that fact or not. WILL they do it is another question though.
Similarly as the most powerful man in 1930s Germany Hitler COULD have achieved great things, whether you like that fact or not.coyft said:
Yes farcical that unemployment is the lowest this century, markets are at all time high, wages growing and illegal immigration dropping like a stone.
At the same time a president who is willing to talk to long term enemies in order to achieve peace.
The biggest farce is that the US has a politician who is doing what he said he would!
Ever lived in the US? I lived in Houston, TX for 8 years and married an American. I'm not saying that makes my opinion any better than yours but I can at least say I was in the trenches so had a close up view.At the same time a president who is willing to talk to long term enemies in order to achieve peace.
The biggest farce is that the US has a politician who is doing what he said he would!
Statistics are statistics and I could spend no end of time pointing out year on year trending, underlying reasons for various things, etc. but having read your posts I know you won't listen. But you really need to stop with the 'politician' bit as Trump is not and will never be a politician. His background and employment is in the business sector, not politics. Yes he is doing what he said but what he 'said' was one of two things; hopelessly naive or abhorant to any reasonable modern individual.
As for illegal immigrants, wow, really... wow. Who do you think cleans the floors, mows the gardens, does the majority of the construction work? Americans certainly don't! Try finding a welder in Houston that is willing to work for reasonable rates and hours. We had to bus them in from places like Brownsville. And do you think the average American will gladly pay 500% more for these services because Americans should be doing it? Texas is a statewide example of cutting off ones nose to spite ones face. In Houston, if you want some work done around your house you drive to northeast Houston in a truck, look for the work gangs who hang around the various carparks, pull up and 4 or so will jump in the back and come do your work for $10 a head (in the burning heat). People in the UK have very little knowledge of how the US runs from a grassroots level.
The majority of the pro-Trump people I have listened to in the UK seem to think the US is some shining example of industrial progress, technical advancement, stable democracy and human rights. It is very, very far from that.
vonuber said:
Has he got dementia or something?
I though that was just legal precedent, young and poor men go to jail, old powerful men get alzheimers?Jokes aside, I'm quite interested to see what's going to come out of this summit in Singapore. Kim's got a south Korean president to work with who was elected on a platform of improving ties with the north and an American president who's, um, unique.
Kim will never get an opportunity like this again so if he's going to make a move then now is the time, though I don't know enough about the Koreas to predict what that move might be.
coyft said:
Yes farcical that unemployment is the lowest this century, markets are at all time high, wages growing and illegal immigration dropping like a stone.
At the same time a president who is willing to talk to long term enemies in order to achieve peace.
The biggest farce is that the US has a politician who is doing what he said he would!
His record so far is paper thin and just below the surface is a complete and utter total disaster. He’s a complete nightmare.At the same time a president who is willing to talk to long term enemies in order to achieve peace.
The biggest farce is that the US has a politician who is doing what he said he would!
Thankfully the rest of us aren’t all lemmings here.
fatbutt said:
As for illegal immigrants, wow, really... wow. Who do you think cleans the floors, mows the gardens, does the majority of the construction work? Americans certainly don't! Try finding a welder in Houston that is willing to work for reasonable rates and hours. We had to bus them in from places like Brownsville. And do you think the average American will gladly pay 500% more for these services because Americans should be doing it? Texas is a statewide example of cutting off ones nose to spite ones face. In Houston, if you want some work done around your house you drive to northeast Houston in a truck, look for the work gangs who hang around the various carparks, pull up and 4 or so will jump in the back and come do your work for $10 a head (in the burning heat). People in the UK have very little knowledge of how the US runs from a grassroots level.
The majority of the pro-Trump people I have listened to in the UK seem to think the US is some shining example of industrial progress, technical advancement, stable democracy and human rights. It is very, very far from that.
Illegal workers are vunerable to exploitation though and will generally be disadvantaged. Plus not vetted. Would it not be better to have controlled immigration to meet this demand?The majority of the pro-Trump people I have listened to in the UK seem to think the US is some shining example of industrial progress, technical advancement, stable democracy and human rights. It is very, very far from that.
There is nothing wrong with controlled immigration. What Trump has tried to do (and failed) so far won't achieve anything. Most of his policies have been about breaking what others have put in place before him. I see nothing constructive or positive about anything he has come up with. He's a destroyer and a breaker - not a creator or innovator.
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