Politics in France
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paulrockliffe said:
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Le Pen who wants to 'protect' workers and lower the pension age to 60. (quote)
Wait. The Far Right want to do this? If that's the case, what are the left aiming for, the abolition of work entirely?
You may recall that Macron was a Minister under the hugely unpopular Hollande.Le Pen who wants to 'protect' workers and lower the pension age to 60. (quote)
Wait. The Far Right want to do this? If that's the case, what are the left aiming for, the abolition of work entirely?
Macron was the actual guy who removed french employment rights that led to strikes and riots across France, and blockades that led to fuel shortages across France.
I.e. he is the most unpopular figure in France from the last government with the regular workers.
This is why the graphs show that not many workers actually voted for him.
It's also not a right-left situation, Le Pen is after independence which helps the lower classes, Macron is a Rothschild banker who Obama and Merkel have endorsed - i.e. a member and representative of the elite. He's about as left wing as our Blair is.
This is a class war and sadly many in France voted for the elite, which means less employment rights and more rights for corporations and big business, effectively through ignorance they have voted for their own slavery and servitude to debt and exploitation.
The fact it's been sold by the (elite run) media as stopping the nasty 'right wing' should be familiar to us because the Brexit vote was sold to us in exactly the same way, by exactly the same media.
Thankfully we were less daft than the French.
Edited by Globs on Tuesday 9th May 11:23
London424 said:
It's quite interesting that the mainstream media hasn't been reporting much about the protests that happened following his win. When Trump was elected we had days and days of TV and paper coverage.
The funnier thing is it seems to be the further left parties protesting!
It was on bbc front page just after the election. The funnier thing is it seems to be the further left parties protesting!
jjlynn27 said:
London424 said:
It's quite interesting that the mainstream media hasn't been reporting much about the protests that happened following his win. When Trump was elected we had days and days of TV and paper coverage.
The funnier thing is it seems to be the further left parties protesting!
It was on bbc front page just after the election. The funnier thing is it seems to be the further left parties protesting!
With Trump we had weeks of it. Just curious why.
Globs said:
The fact it's been sold by the (elite run) media as stopping the nasty 'right wing' should be familiar to us because the Brexit vote was sold to us in exactly the same way, by exactly the same media.
Thankfully we were less daft than the French.
I'm curious as to which media in this country you think was anti-Brexit? Most – almost all – of the 'elite run' (i.e owned by wealthy individuals) media was firmly pro-Brexit.Thankfully we were less daft than the French.
Edited by Globs on Tuesday 9th May 11:23
TTwiggy said:
Globs said:
The fact it's been sold by the (elite run) media as stopping the nasty 'right wing' should be familiar to us because the Brexit vote was sold to us in exactly the same way, by exactly the same media.
Thankfully we were less daft than the French.
I'm curious as to which media in this country you think was anti-Brexit? Most – almost all – of the 'elite run' (i.e owned by wealthy individuals) media was firmly pro-Brexit.Thankfully we were less daft than the French.
Edited by Globs on Tuesday 9th May 11:23
housen said:
TTwiggy said:
Globs said:
The fact it's been sold by the (elite run) media as stopping the nasty 'right wing' should be familiar to us because the Brexit vote was sold to us in exactly the same way, by exactly the same media.
Thankfully we were less daft than the French.
I'm curious as to which media in this country you think was anti-Brexit? Most – almost all – of the 'elite run' (i.e owned by wealthy individuals) media was firmly pro-Brexit.Thankfully we were less daft than the French.
Edited by Globs on Tuesday 9th May 11:23
London424 said:
jjlynn27 said:
London424 said:
It's quite interesting that the mainstream media hasn't been reporting much about the protests that happened following his win. When Trump was elected we had days and days of TV and paper coverage.
The funnier thing is it seems to be the further left parties protesting!
It was on bbc front page just after the election. The funnier thing is it seems to be the further left parties protesting!
With Trump we had weeks of it. Just curious why.
housen said:
TTwiggy said:
Globs said:
The fact it's been sold by the (elite run) media as stopping the nasty 'right wing' should be familiar to us because the Brexit vote was sold to us in exactly the same way, by exactly the same media.
Thankfully we were less daft than the French.
I'm curious as to which media in this country you think was anti-Brexit? Most – almost all – of the 'elite run' (i.e owned by wealthy individuals) media was firmly pro-Brexit.Thankfully we were less daft than the French.
Edited by Globs on Tuesday 9th May 11:23
jjlynn27 said:
London424 said:
jjlynn27 said:
London424 said:
It's quite interesting that the mainstream media hasn't been reporting much about the protests that happened following his win. When Trump was elected we had days and days of TV and paper coverage.
The funnier thing is it seems to be the further left parties protesting!
It was on bbc front page just after the election. The funnier thing is it seems to be the further left parties protesting!
With Trump we had weeks of it. Just curious why.
Macron won in May (7th) and the post you replied to referred to protests after that result was announced.
It's also well tucked away.
jjlynn27 said:
London424 said:
jjlynn27 said:
London424 said:
It's quite interesting that the mainstream media hasn't been reporting much about the protests that happened following his win. When Trump was elected we had days and days of TV and paper coverage.
The funnier thing is it seems to be the further left parties protesting!
It was on bbc front page just after the election. The funnier thing is it seems to be the further left parties protesting!
With Trump we had weeks of it. Just curious why.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/europe
Can't see anything on there.
London424 said:
jjlynn27 said:
London424 said:
jjlynn27 said:
London424 said:
It's quite interesting that the mainstream media hasn't been reporting much about the protests that happened following his win. When Trump was elected we had days and days of TV and paper coverage.
The funnier thing is it seems to be the further left parties protesting!
It was on bbc front page just after the election. The funnier thing is it seems to be the further left parties protesting!
With Trump we had weeks of it. Just curious why.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world/europe
Can't see anything on there.
El stovey said:
I was reading about election protesters yesterday.
It was amusing to read some were actually Macron supporters just letting him know they didn't want him to start messing with their working conditions.
Yes, it was adequately covered on the BBC and Sky News channels last night. As you say, a lot of them are having a bit of a WTF moment; they voted against Le Pen, but don't actually agree with any or many of Macron's policies. There was discussion as to whether he will be able to find a mandate... I don;t know, but I do know it's going to get very, very messy.It was amusing to read some were actually Macron supporters just letting him know they didn't want him to start messing with their working conditions.
Digga said:
El stovey said:
I was reading about election protesters yesterday.
It was amusing to read some were actually Macron supporters just letting him know they didn't want him to start messing with their working conditions.
Yes, it was adequately covered on the BBC and Sky News channels last night. As you say, a lot of them are having a bit of a WTF moment; they voted against Le Pen, but don't actually agree with any or many of Macron's policies. There was discussion as to whether he will be able to find a mandate... I don;t know, but I do know it's going to get very, very messy.It was amusing to read some were actually Macron supporters just letting him know they didn't want him to start messing with their working conditions.
Yesterday on this thread I said:
Melenchon: Macron's policies will destroy the French social system
Sky TV vox pop: Macron isn't socialist enough for the French
He won on a Stop Marine vote.
Interesting times.
We'll need to see what form the mess takes.Sky TV vox pop: Macron isn't socialist enough for the French
He won on a Stop Marine vote.
Interesting times.
An example of how Le Pen outflanked Macron in one particular constituency was the Whirlpool, Amiens factory visit also provides a clue to the discord.
Currently under (inevitable) industrial dispute, the factory was subject to striking workers and picket lines. Macron chose to visit the management, Le Pen was seen engaging with the workers.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/26/mari...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/27/marine-...
Currently under (inevitable) industrial dispute, the factory was subject to striking workers and picket lines. Macron chose to visit the management, Le Pen was seen engaging with the workers.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/26/mari...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/27/marine-...
Again, this is why Macron coming out to the EU anthem was a huge mistake.
France has elections in June that form the equivalent of our house of commons, traditionally when a new President gets in, the nation also votes for the Presidents party so he can get things done.
That's not going to happen in June for two reasons, firstly he doesn't have a party machine and standing MP's for the electorate to vote for, so there is no status quo vote that works for him. Secondly, most of the electorate don't like him or his policies, so his supporting MP's will get hammered in the polls, relative to what normally happens.
You then have an Obama lame duck situation, where he can mess about on the fringes, but the major issues wont get fixed. We will be back here again in 5 years with an even more disillusioned French society, assuming somehow the Euro hasn't yet blown up.
France has elections in June that form the equivalent of our house of commons, traditionally when a new President gets in, the nation also votes for the Presidents party so he can get things done.
That's not going to happen in June for two reasons, firstly he doesn't have a party machine and standing MP's for the electorate to vote for, so there is no status quo vote that works for him. Secondly, most of the electorate don't like him or his policies, so his supporting MP's will get hammered in the polls, relative to what normally happens.
You then have an Obama lame duck situation, where he can mess about on the fringes, but the major issues wont get fixed. We will be back here again in 5 years with an even more disillusioned French society, assuming somehow the Euro hasn't yet blown up.
Digga said:
An example of how Le Pen outflanked Macron in one particular constituency was the Whirlpool, Amiens factory visit also provides a clue to the discord.
Currently under (inevitable) industrial dispute, the factory was subject to striking workers and picket lines. Macron chose to visit the management, Le Pen was seen engaging with the workers.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/26/mari...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/27/marine-...
From that guardian link, I read it that he was talking to union reps, which I wouldn't call management.Currently under (inevitable) industrial dispute, the factory was subject to striking workers and picket lines. Macron chose to visit the management, Le Pen was seen engaging with the workers.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/26/mari...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/27/marine-...
I liked this part.
guardian said:
Macron is well known for wading into crowds to try to personally convince his detractors. His supporters say it is a sign of his bravery but it has in the past led to arguments in front of the cameras.
As economy minister he was accused of appearing haughty when, in front of cameras, he had an argument with a demonstrator in a T-shirt and told him “the best way to afford a suit is to work”.
As economy minister he was accused of appearing haughty when, in front of cameras, he had an argument with a demonstrator in a T-shirt and told him “the best way to afford a suit is to work”.
jjlynn27 said:
Digga said:
An example of how Le Pen outflanked Macron in one particular constituency was the Whirlpool, Amiens factory visit also provides a clue to the discord.
Currently under (inevitable) industrial dispute, the factory was subject to striking workers and picket lines. Macron chose to visit the management, Le Pen was seen engaging with the workers.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/26/mari...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/27/marine-...
From that guardian link, I read it that he was talking to union reps, which I wouldn't call management.Currently under (inevitable) industrial dispute, the factory was subject to striking workers and picket lines. Macron chose to visit the management, Le Pen was seen engaging with the workers.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/26/mari...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/27/marine-...
I liked this part.
guardian said:
Macron is well known for wading into crowds to try to personally convince his detractors. His supporters say it is a sign of his bravery but it has in the past led to arguments in front of the cameras.
As economy minister he was accused of appearing haughty when, in front of cameras, he had an argument with a demonstrator in a T-shirt and told him “the best way to afford a suit is to work”.
As economy minister he was accused of appearing haughty when, in front of cameras, he had an argument with a demonstrator in a T-shirt and told him “the best way to afford a suit is to work”.
Could do better. Macron, that is...he should assail cyclists in Paris and tell them that the best way to afford a car is to work. Then they should vote for people who allow them to use it, of course.
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