Bianca Williams stop accusing race motivated.

[wjb]

bhstewie said:

Interesting.

Police in England and Wales face inquiry into possible racial bias

"possible"

[wjb]

R Mutt said:

Leon R said:

bhstewie said:

I wonder how many more there are like this?

Three police officers in UK accused of racist remarks on WhatsApp

Not the point at all but that article is the first time I have ever heard of a 'family mobile phone'.

Possibly messages on the cloud shared by multiple (family) devices. Not sure what sort or morons the police employ. Not just the offenders. You'd also have to be pretty stupid not to turn off WhatsApp's auto download to your gallery, or to share a phone with a teenager which appears to be the case here as WhatsApp can't be used on multiple devices like IMessage

Edited by R Mutt on Thursday 9th July 16:22

Don't worry about the racism by the cops though, the stupidity of them getting caught is the real story here...

[anonymous-user]

ToastMan76 said:

bhstewie said:

Interesting.

Police in England and Wales face inquiry into possible racial bias

Again can we just skip ahead to the part where anybody from BAME can just do what they want without being arrested or criminalized?

Looks like that’s where we’re headed sometimes.

[bitchstewie]

Red 4 said:

bhstewie said:

Interesting.

Police in England and Wales face inquiry into possible racial bias

Why is it interesting ? It's a complete non-story. Details including ethnic origin are recorded as a matter of course on PACE 1 forms. If the IOPC want to waste their time looking through the forms then crack on.

OK then it's a complete non-story.

I don't have a dog in the fight here I just felt it interesting that the IOPC look to be doing this.

Maybe it's a daily occurrence for them to do this sort of thing is the article is accurate.

[Bigends]

bhstewie said:

Red 4 said:

bhstewie said:

Interesting.

Police in England and Wales face inquiry into possible racial bias

Why is it interesting ? It's a complete non-story. Details including ethnic origin are recorded as a matter of course on PACE 1 forms. If the IOPC want to waste their time looking through the forms then crack on.

OK then it's a complete non-story.

I don't have a dog in the fight here I just felt it interesting that the IOPC look to be doing this.

Maybe it's a daily occurrence for them to do this sort of thing is the article is accurate.

Details of stop/search and use of force are already recorded by forces and published regularly so all pf the data is already available for the IOPC . Forces generally only publish the figures and dont draw any conclusions or give any opinions on them - thats what the IOPC will be doing I should imagine

[J4CKO]

wjb said:

R Mutt said:

Leon R said:

bhstewie said:

I wonder how many more there are like this?

Three police officers in UK accused of racist remarks on WhatsApp

Not the point at all but that article is the first time I have ever heard of a 'family mobile phone'.

Possibly messages on the cloud shared by multiple (family) devices. Not sure what sort or morons the police employ. Not just the offenders. You'd also have to be pretty stupid not to turn off WhatsApp's auto download to your gallery, or to share a phone with a teenager which appears to be the case here as WhatsApp can't be used on multiple devices like IMessage

Edited by R Mutt on Thursday 9th July 16:22

Don't worry about the racism by the cops though, the stupidity of them getting caught is the real story here...

Yes, unbelievable these days, even 15 years ago it was enough to get you fired, I was on the receiving end of how seriously stuff like that was taken.


I left GMP in 2006, couple of years prior I got told to go to the managers office the following day, they had been through everyone's email, I wasnt the first or last.

I got told I had been abusing the email system, which seemed strange as when I was at GMP I was very, very careful what I sent via email.

I was worried but couldn't for the life of me imagine what I had done, so I had a pleasant evening panicking about it. I went to the sixth floor in Chester House and was met by a grave faced higher up. I was then showed a picture of a black lady, apparently a beauty competition contestant from an African country with something on it about Apes, I then remember receiving the picture.

I had been thinking about what I may of sent, not what I would have received and suddenly I remembered the photo and me replying to the sender who sent it to a few people, I just said something along the lines of "Please do not send me stuff like this" and then forgot about it.

Some stuff has some amusement even if the subject is inappropriate, this was not one of those, it was just crass, racist and it sort of left a nasty taste that the person in question thought I would appreciate it.

Apparently my job was at risk for receiving it, I pointed out that I cant actually choose what lands in my inbox but the point was I hadn't notified my line manager, I was then shown the force policy that quite clearly stated that I must inform my line manager as soon as possible so it could be dealt with.

I remembered seeing the email about the policy change, which was from about six months earlier.

I asked the date on the email exchange, the manager told me the date which was about a year prior to the policy change.

I realised that my job was not at risk, I had not done anything wrong, I said that the policy change was after the email and he waffled about should have notified someone anyway, shouldn't need a policy in place etc etc.



I think three ended up going, the sender and two that forwarded it further.

[A Winner Is You]

REALIST123 said:

ToastMan76 said:

bhstewie said:

Interesting.

Police in England and Wales face inquiry into possible racial bias

Again can we just skip ahead to the part where anybody from BAME can just do what they want without being arrested or criminalized?

Looks like that’s where we’re headed sometimes.

Just hire a completely BAME police force. Problem solved.

[wjb]

A Winner Is You said:

REALIST123 said:

ToastMan76 said:

bhstewie said:

Interesting.

Police in England and Wales face inquiry into possible racial bias

Again can we just skip ahead to the part where anybody from BAME can just do what they want without being arrested or criminalized?

Looks like that’s where we’re headed sometimes.

Just hire a completely BAME police force. Problem solved.

Relax, that's a bit extreme.

Why don't we start hiring more police officers who don't assume that just because someone is black, they are a suspect?

That would be great.

[anonymous-user]

bhstewie said:

I wonder how many more there are like this?

Three police officers in UK accused of racist remarks on WhatsApp

The police, to some degree, will mirror the society it recruits from.

There will always be a few who are clearly not who we want as police officers.

Here's another recent example: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53354...

I remember this one which was bizarre (we were all briefed about 'the threat'): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/08/bi...

The practical solution is to do what can be done to root them out as above.

[Dont Panic]

wjb said:

Relax, that's a bit extreme.

Why don't we start hiring more police officers who don't assume that just because someone is black, they are a suspect?

That would be great.

Black people could also stop getting themselves over represented in the crime stats, thatd be just as great surely?

[ToastMan76]

Dont Panic said:

Black people could also stop getting themselves over represented in the crime stats, thatd be just as great surely?

No no no thats racist. Black people are only over represented in certain crimes because the police stop more of them. Like the fact that black people kill more black people than white people, its due to racism. And the fact black people are more likely to be arrested for gang violence in London is due to racism. And the fact that if a black person doesnt stop for a policeman and speeds off, chasing them is racism.

[Pip1968]

wjb said:

Don't worry about the racism by the cops though, the stupidity of them getting caught is the real story here...

I know you have your agenda fighting the cause but both aspects are important here. I have had plenty of racist jokes sent to me as well as other items I would not show either my wife or my children. If I find it offensive I just delete it but there is still stuff I may keep that I would not show to third parties. Letting your children browse your phone is just wrong and for me personally shows poor judgement by a parent (I am not perfect).

The bottom line is everyone's sense of humour is different. As the old saying goes one mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist. Trying to get everyone to laugh at the same thing or have the same opinion is wrong as is chastising people for thought crime.

In the thirty odd pages so far the bottom line is most people are in agreement (not sure if this is split correctly in this ridiculous PC world ie 14% black subscribers to 86% white). Whilst it could have been handled better (easy with hindsight - black with a baby onboard - 'celebrities', deliberate goading) they brought it upon themselves with their stupidity. Their is no defence for their stupidity unless they are claiming to have watched the box set of "Roots" recently or looped George Floyd.

The trouble is everyone is a victim these days and it is ALWAYS someone else's fault.

Pip

[R Mutt]

wjb said:

R Mutt said:

Leon R said:

bhstewie said:

I wonder how many more there are like this?

Three police officers in UK accused of racist remarks on WhatsApp

Not the point at all but that article is the first time I have ever heard of a 'family mobile phone'.

Possibly messages on the cloud shared by multiple (family) devices. Not sure what sort or morons the police employ. Not just the offenders. You'd also have to be pretty stupid not to turn off WhatsApp's auto download to your gallery, or to share a phone with a teenager which appears to be the case here as WhatsApp can't be used on multiple devices like IMessage

Edited by R Mutt on Thursday 9th July 16:22

Don't worry about the racism by the cops though, the stupidity of them getting caught is the real story here...

That's not what I said if you can read before getting offended

[don'tbesilly]

ToastMan76 said:

Dont Panic said:

Black people could also stop getting themselves over represented in the crime stats, thatd be just as great surely?

No no no thats racist. Black people are only over represented in certain crimes because the police stop more of them. Like the fact that black people kill more black people than white people, its due to racism. And the fact black people are more likely to be arrested for gang violence in London is due to racism. And the fact that if a black person doesnt stop for a policeman and speeds off, chasing them is racism.

It's OK as long as you speed off and go home with the Police in close attendance because in your opinion that's far safer.

Try the same tactic the next time you're asked to stop by the Police, what could possibly go wrong?

[bitchstewie]

La Liga said:

bhstewie said:

I wonder how many more there are like this?

Three police officers in UK accused of racist remarks on WhatsApp

The police, to some degree, will mirror the society it recruits from.

There will always be a few who are clearly not who we want as police officers.

Here's another recent example: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53354...

I remember this one which was bizarre (we were all briefed about 'the threat'): https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/08/bi...

The practical solution is to do what can be done to root them out as above.

I think most people accept there are bad apples as you say the trick is presumably to root them out and get rid.

What do you make of the IOPC announcement?

No big deal or are you surprised or disappointed or how do you see it?

[Pothole]

wjb said:

Relax, that's a bit extreme.

Why don't we start hiring more police officers who don't assume that just because someone is black, they are a suspect?

That would be great.

Do you actually think there is a majority of police officers who think that way? Do you think that reflects society?

[V8RX7]

wjb said:

A Winner Is You said:

REALIST123 said:

ToastMan76 said:

bhstewie said:

Interesting.

Police in England and Wales face inquiry into possible racial bias

Again can we just skip ahead to the part where anybody from BAME can just do what they want without being arrested or criminalized?

Looks like that’s where we’re headed sometimes.

Just hire a completely BAME police force. Problem solved.

Relax, that's a bit extreme.

Why don't we start hiring more police officers who don't assume that just because someone is black, they are a suspect?

That would be great.

You still have your blinkers on

IT'S NOT JUST WHITE PEOPLE WHO ARE RACIST

So we'd still have blacks who hate non blacks, Indians who hate Pakistanis etc

[Red 4]

Pothole said:

wjb said:

Relax, that's a bit extreme.

Why don't we start hiring more police officers who don't assume that just because someone is black, they are a suspect?

That would be great.

Do you actually think there is a majority of police officers who think that way? Do you think that reflects society?

Do we really think this is a race issue anyway ?

As has been highlighted by the Covid19 issue (we are told the disease disproportionately affects minorities, but this is more to do with social class/ deprivation rather than biology) does this also reflect on the number of searches performed on minorities ?

I.e. people from an ethnic background are more likely to live in an area suffering from deprivation. Deprivation = more crime. More crime = more police/ targeting. More police/ targeting = more searches.

[fatboy18]

Is the outcome of the inquiry likely to be publicised?

How long are we going to have to wait for the outcome?

Have the couple hired a Brief to pursue this further?

[Red 4]

Depends on the probability of a succesful claim.

Lawyers cost money. Do you think Bianca is going to spend her own money on this ?
If she loses it will be a big bill.

Personally, I think she'll be hard pushed to find a lawyer willing to take this on on a no win,no fee basis (although there is always the publicity aspect which some lawyers may find attractive).