Protesters blocking various M25 Junctions
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Police stop the# removal of protesters from road.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wFhYOrVkBoM?feature...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wFhYOrVkBoM?feature...
Oliver Hardy said:
Police stop the# removal of protesters from road.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wFhYOrVkBoM?feature...
What country is that? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wFhYOrVkBoM?feature...
MiniMan64 said:
Oliver Hardy said:
Police stop the# removal of protesters from road.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wFhYOrVkBoM?feature...
What country is that? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wFhYOrVkBoM?feature...
You do have to wonder what's going on, no?
MiniMan64 said:
Oliver Hardy said:
Police stop the# removal of protesters from road.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wFhYOrVkBoM?feature...
What country is that? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/wFhYOrVkBoM?feature...
Langweilig said:
Yes they are.Langweilig said:
Though I have no time for thise mis-guided people who I think are just being used in a larger political game and can't see that....BBC site said:
A spokesperson for the group said: "Hybrids and electric cars are fair game.
"We cannot electrify our way out of the climate crisis - there are not enough rare earth metals to replace everyone's car and the mining of these metals causes suffering.
"Plus, the danger to other road users still stands."
Is actually a reasonable point. Massive electric vehicles are not helping much at all."We cannot electrify our way out of the climate crisis - there are not enough rare earth metals to replace everyone's car and the mining of these metals causes suffering.
"Plus, the danger to other road users still stands."
Biggy Stardust said:
Langweilig said:
Yes they are.No ideas for a name said:
Langweilig said:
Though I have no time for thise mis-guided people who I think are just being used in a larger political game and can't see that....BBC site said:
A spokesperson for the group said: "Hybrids and electric cars are fair game.
"We cannot electrify our way out of the climate crisis - there are not enough rare earth metals to replace everyone's car and the mining of these metals causes suffering.
"Plus, the danger to other road users still stands."
Is actually a reasonable point. Massive electric vehicles are not helping much at all."We cannot electrify our way out of the climate crisis - there are not enough rare earth metals to replace everyone's car and the mining of these metals causes suffering.
"Plus, the danger to other road users still stands."
If it wasn’t personal transport they’d find something else to berate others about.
No ideas for a name said:
BBC site said:
A spokesperson for the group said: "Hybrids and electric cars are fair game.
"We cannot electrify our way out of the climate crisis - there are not enough rare earth metals to replace everyone's car and the mining of these metals causes suffering.
"Plus, the danger to other road users still stands."
Is actually a reasonable point. Massive electric vehicles are not helping much at all."We cannot electrify our way out of the climate crisis - there are not enough rare earth metals to replace everyone's car and the mining of these metals causes suffering.
"Plus, the danger to other road users still stands."
ks.To the people who live in cities, towns and even village centres, the lack of fumes and engine noise from EVs is a major benefit.
Moreover, for short and/or stop-start journeys - which a huge number of cars and vans are used for - the ICE equivalents are extremely inefficient. More so now with diesel emissions systems (EGR, DPF etc.) which really do not like short journeys and can even suffer from oil dilution, due to condensation, which causes critical, premature failure.
No ideas for a name said:
Is actually a reasonable point. Massive electric vehicles are not helping much at all.
Agreed, though I'm not sure I'd be going after a Model Y (assuming it was). The 100kWh behemoths are the greatest resource sinkholes for the school run (iX, Model Y etc etc).Digga said:
bks.
To the people who live in cities, towns and even village centres, the lack of fumes and engine noise from EVs is a major benefit.
Moreover, for short and/or stop-start journeys - which a huge number of cars and vans are used for - the ICE equivalents are extremely inefficient. More so now with diesel emissions systems (EGR, DPF etc.) which really do not like short journeys and can even suffer from oil dilution, due to condensation, which causes critical, premature failure.
You missed my point. It isn't plus or minus for EVs, it it the size/weight/resource utilisation of an oversized vehicle be it ICE or EV.ks.To the people who live in cities, towns and even village centres, the lack of fumes and engine noise from EVs is a major benefit.
Moreover, for short and/or stop-start journeys - which a huge number of cars and vans are used for - the ICE equivalents are extremely inefficient. More so now with diesel emissions systems (EGR, DPF etc.) which really do not like short journeys and can even suffer from oil dilution, due to condensation, which causes critical, premature failure.
For clarity I think the Tyre Extinguishers and the like are 'useful idiots'.
Digga said:
bks.
To the people who live in cities, towns and even village centres, the lack of fumes and engine noise from EVs is a major benefit.
Moreover, for short and/or stop-start journeys - which a huge number of cars and vans are used for - the ICE equivalents are extremely inefficient. More so now with diesel emissions systems (EGR, DPF etc.) which really do not like short journeys and can even suffer from oil dilution, due to condensation, which causes critical, premature failure.
But their position isn't all about emissions. Take for example the ability of a nearly 3t SUV to demolish barriers protecting civilians or even other road users.ks.To the people who live in cities, towns and even village centres, the lack of fumes and engine noise from EVs is a major benefit.
Moreover, for short and/or stop-start journeys - which a huge number of cars and vans are used for - the ICE equivalents are extremely inefficient. More so now with diesel emissions systems (EGR, DPF etc.) which really do not like short journeys and can even suffer from oil dilution, due to condensation, which causes critical, premature failure.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66120...
No ideas for a name said:
Langweilig said:
Though I have no time for thise mis-guided people who I think are just being used in a larger political game and can't see that....BBC site said:
A spokesperson for the group said: "Hybrids and electric cars are fair game.
"We cannot electrify our way out of the climate crisis - there are not enough rare earth metals to replace everyone's car and the mining of these metals causes suffering.
"Plus, the danger to other road users still stands."
Is actually a reasonable point. Massive electric vehicles are not helping much at all."We cannot electrify our way out of the climate crisis - there are not enough rare earth metals to replace everyone's car and the mining of these metals causes suffering.
"Plus, the danger to other road users still stands."
Electric cars don't need any more of them than an ICE car, unless the manufacture chooses to use them.
eldar said:
No ideas for a name said:
Is actually a reasonable point. Massive electric vehicles are not helping much at all.
Down with trains and buses. Genius thinking.These idiots aren't letting the tyres down on trains are they.
Their statement clearly is in context of SUVs (how I hate that term).
They seem to want everyone (except themselves) to live in cold caves eating raw potatoes.
The point about damage, road space makes some sense - if the fools target what they consider excess, the same logic applies to excessive EV.
They are still idiots and don't see the full picture.
Evanivitch said:
But their position isn't all about emissions. Take for example the ability of a nearly 3t SUV to demolish barriers protecting civilians or even other road users.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66120...
Blame the driver, not the vehicle.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66120...
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