Finally, proof there is no God.
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///ajd said:
Is this you confirming your belief that you think religion can make you a better person?
Can you explain in what way you think religion makes you a better person?
PS it isn't a corollary.
Yes, and, I've stated time and time again that people are motivated by their religion, by their beliefs. Religion can help a person better themselves. They can use this as a structure or as a point of reflection to help them with their decisions, their goals, using religion as a means to help themselves be better people.Can you explain in what way you think religion makes you a better person?
PS it isn't a corollary.
Religion can bring about good, can unite people, can give people strength when they need it, can offer assistance, motivation, purpose..................
I find it quite saddening that you avoid discussing this because you see any acknowledgement of religion being put to good use as losing some kind of competition, instead you so readily hide behind someone else's excuse not to answer a very simple and fair question.
Once more, do you accept or deny that religion can be used to help a person better themselves?
anonymous said:
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I am discussing it.In asking you the question we are discussing it.
It does of course bring some people comfort.
It may make some people better people, but this then begs the question - did they need religion to be better? Why did they need religion to do that? What was stopping them bettering themselves of their own free will?
You can go on asking the whys about everything forever. It's not really discussion, it's quite boring.
Ask yourself why you like whatever it is you like, ask yourself why you rely on whoever or whatever it is you rely on, or why you love whoever you do and why you chose the career path you did...........
Ask yourself why you like whatever it is you like, ask yourself why you rely on whoever or whatever it is you rely on, or why you love whoever you do and why you chose the career path you did...........
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 17th March 21:27
Deflect, avoid, etc.
Its like trying to discuss the glaring holes in the White (bog) Paper with a Scot Nationalist.
VK, if you don't want to explore the ideas and motivations, no one is forcing you.
The truth is you don't need religion to be good. Humans are inherently good (apart from the few bad ones).
It is true that humans in groups can achieve good things too (more than the sum of the parts), there is something in that, I'll grant you. But there is also a risk, as can been seen when groups chant about smiting the necks of infidels.
What did you mean earlier about believing in Jesus but not God? How does that work? Correct me if I'm putting the wrong words in your mouth, but that is how I read your post.
Its like trying to discuss the glaring holes in the White (bog) Paper with a Scot Nationalist.
VK, if you don't want to explore the ideas and motivations, no one is forcing you.
The truth is you don't need religion to be good. Humans are inherently good (apart from the few bad ones).
It is true that humans in groups can achieve good things too (more than the sum of the parts), there is something in that, I'll grant you. But there is also a risk, as can been seen when groups chant about smiting the necks of infidels.
What did you mean earlier about believing in Jesus but not God? How does that work? Correct me if I'm putting the wrong words in your mouth, but that is how I read your post.
I can pick apart your life and tell you you don't need any of the things in it.
But the truth is you do need them. Your life is made whole by those things, even though you can't always put your finger on why they are dear to you or why they happened to become part of your life in the first place.
Same for religion, some people find it makes them complete, it helps them, guides them, gives them power, motivates, improves........ You don't understand religion, fine. Others do. That's as simple as I can explain it to you really, I hope it helps.
But the truth is you do need them. Your life is made whole by those things, even though you can't always put your finger on why they are dear to you or why they happened to become part of your life in the first place.
Same for religion, some people find it makes them complete, it helps them, guides them, gives them power, motivates, improves........ You don't understand religion, fine. Others do. That's as simple as I can explain it to you really, I hope it helps.
ash73 said:
///ajd said:
Humans are inherently good (apart from the few bad ones).
Surprised you would say that tbh, I thought you would be an advocate of the selfish gene theory.It also explores the inherent altruistic qualities of organisms too - which was my point that certainly applies to humans.
Edited by ///ajd on Wednesday 18th March 05:19
///ajd said:
ash73 said:
///ajd said:
Humans are inherently good (apart from the few bad ones).
Surprised you would say that tbh, I thought you would be an advocate of the selfish gene theory.It also explores the inherent altruistic qualities of organisms too - which was my point that certainly applies to humans.
Edited by ///ajd on Wednesday 18th March 05:19
God is proved false by the world around us and history. Christianity is a relatively new invention. How can that god exist when the idea of that god did not exist across the whole world for the whole of time?
///ajd said:
ash73 said:
///ajd said:
Humans are inherently good (apart from the few bad ones).
Surprised you would say that tbh, I thought you would be an advocate of the selfish gene theory.It also explores the inherent altruistic qualities of organisms too - which was my point that certainly applies to humans.
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