Scottish Referendum / Independence - Vol 8
Discussion
NRS said:
THATS NOT RESPECTING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.... Oh, sorry, you meant the old referendum? That one doesn't count as some time passed since then. But the Scottish elections where the SNP have gone from "a vote for us doesn't mean independence" to "we'll push independence at all costs" is perfectly representative of the will of voters.
You obviously didn't read their manifesto if you actually believe that
They can't even decide if they want to be in the EU, EEA/EFTA or going it alone; consistently opportunist more like.GoneAnon said:
The manifesto said in black and white that they reserved the right to have another referendum if Scotland was taken out of the EU against its will.
No it didn't.The exact wording:
SNP Holyrood Manfesto 2016 said:
We believe that the Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum if there is clear and sustained evidence that independence has become the preferred option of a majority of the Scottish people – or if there is a significant and material change in the circumstances that prevailed in 2014, such as Scotland being taken out of the EU against our will.
No weasily words there at all, plus seeing as the SNP are in full pedant mode I'd interpret that last bold part as meaning they would not have a referendum until after the UK (and therefor Scotland) have departed the EU.GoneAnon said:
Willie Rennie and the Liberals have the honour of being the smallest party with just 5 seats. But, according to you, their position counts more than the Greens (6)
Fair point, but the LibDems won an infinite number more (because any number is infinitely more than zero) constituency seats and 13 times the number of votes the Greens did. But let's not invoke democratic deficits.....GoneAnon said:
SNP have 54 of the 59 seats and are supported by 2 more currently suspended members but Scotland's views are over-ridden at every turn - with 59 out of 650 it cannot be any other way. That is democratic in what way?
Ooops, you just did. (Oh, and perhaps we should ignore the SNP's interference in fox hunting and Sunday trading laws affecting only England - overriding the will of the English people).GoneAnon said:
I don't know about UKIP votes or care enough to go researching...
Knock yourself out. (Summary for the feckless - UKIP 3,881,099 votes and 1 seat, SNP 1,454,436 and 56 seats).GoneAnon said:
Your own Maggie Thatcher.....
Ahhhh! Gotcha. 'Everyone who disagrees with us is a vile Tory pigdog!!'That's the third time I've faced that ignorant assumption from a desperate SNat. First time is documented earlier in this incarnation of this thread (summary - Yes Scotland campaigner swearing at me in public place, quote - "f
king Tory", just because I wouldn't give him the answer he wanted to hear), and second time was by a certain contributor to these threads who got banned from the last iteration.Here's the thing though - support for independence in Scotland is a minority interest. Always has been and latest opinion polls suggest it still is. The people who don't want it make up a broad church, so tarring them with one brush will always be a mistake by those pushing the seperatist agenda. That's how the battle will be lost, because SNats should be building their case to win people over, not fomenting the same divisions that lost them the vote the last time around.
Edited by r11co on Saturday 1st April 08:04
Strocky said:
You obviously didn't read their manifesto if you actually believe that
I also read the document that your leaders signed saying one independence vote in a generation - but lying and deceit is de rigueur with you SNP "Herberts".Edited by Borghetto on Friday 31st March 22:54
TheRainMaker said:
What Scotland Thinks.
How would you vote in a Scottish independence referendum if held now?
42% Yes - 53% No - 5% Don't know
How would you vote in a Scottish independence referendum if held now?
42% Yes - 53% No - 5% Don't know
Just off the phone to my father for the first time in about a year. He said everyone he's spoken to recently is totally fked off with Sturgeon and the general response seems to be "Let her have the fking vote next week and we'll make sure and vote no just shut her the fk up about it".Not a resounding endorsement from the North East there!
Piersman2 said:
Just off the phone to my father for the first time in about a year. He said everyone he's spoken to recently is totally fked off with Sturgeon and the general response seems to be "Let her have the fking vote next week and we'll make sure and vote no just shut her the fk up about it".Not a resounding endorsement from the North East there!
king chance they'd do the same next time! Borghetto said:
Strocky said:
You obviously didn't read their manifesto if you actually believe that
I also read the document that your leaders signed saying one independence vote in a generation - but lying and deceit is de rigueur with you SNP "Herberts".Edited by Borghetto on Friday 31st March 22:54
The Scottish Government's consultation on energy which began in January is due to complete at the end of next month. 'Unconventional oil and gas' is on the agenda, and ScotGov have been actively pursuing the views of residents of Stirlingshire and the central belt.
Hmm, now where did those maps indicate the shale oil and gas reserves were thought to be......?
Hmm, now where did those maps indicate the shale oil and gas reserves were thought to be......?
fluffnik said:
technodup said:
fluffnik said:
I also carry a UKofGB&NI passport, for similar administrative reasons.
You carry a UK passport because like it or not you're fking British. Strocky said:
technodup said:
fluffnik said:
I also carry a UKofGB&NI passport, for similar administrative reasons.
You carry a UK passport because like it or not you're fking British. Suck it up.
Strocky said:
TheRainMaker said:
What Scotland Thinks.
How would you vote in a Scottish independence referendum if held now?
42% Yes - 53% No - 5% Don't know
Meaningless poll, the referendum isn't being held now How would you vote in a Scottish independence referendum if held now?
42% Yes - 53% No - 5% Don't know
This is the sort of pish that's being peddled by SLAB and the ScotCons
Or do you think it's rigged?
GoneAnon said:
3) SNP have 54 of the 59 seats and are supported by 2 more currently suspended members but Scotland's views are over-ridden at every turn - with 59 out of 650 it cannot be any other way. That is democratic in what way?
and..
Your own Maggie Thatcher once said all Scotland had to do to become independent was to send a majority of SNP MPs to Westminster. What are your thoughts on that position?
I rarely post on this thread because, well, I live in England and if you Scots want independence then you can have it, no problem at all from me. But your point 3 has woken me up...and..
Your own Maggie Thatcher once said all Scotland had to do to become independent was to send a majority of SNP MPs to Westminster. What are your thoughts on that position?
59/650 is perfectly democratic. SNP stood for seats in Scotland and won most of them, but even though they have a higher seat:votes ratio than the English parties they've still only got 54 seats and democracy works on "most seats wins". So if you want more influence in Westminster than you currently have, why not pop over the border and get the SNP standing for English constituencies ?
As good old Maggie said, you get SNP candidates in 326 of the Westminster seats and you'll get your independence, no problem at all. Just 272 more seats to go.....
r11co said:
The Scottish Government's consultation on energy which began in January is due to complete at the end of next month. 'Unconventional oil and gas' is on the agenda, and ScotGov have been actively pursuing the views of residents of Stirlingshire and the central belt.
Hmm, now where did those maps indicate the shale oil and gas reserves were thought to be......?
Fingera crossed, I have a snooty friend who is a Green Party member, I'll laugh like feck at the proposals if that is the case. Hmm, now where did those maps indicate the shale oil and gas reserves were thought to be......?
Rollin said:
Strocky said:
technodup said:
fluffnik said:
I also carry a UKofGB&NI passport, for similar administrative reasons.
You carry a UK passport because like it or not you're fking British. Suck it up.
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