Jeremy Corbyn (Vol. 3)

[biggbn]

jakesmith said:

RichB said:

hidetheelephants said:

Getting a lot of pearl-clutching articles on my facebook feed about how Boris being PM is a affront to democracy...

No doubt those people said the same about Gordon Brown.

No no no that was different because labour

Boris was affronted when Brown was 'anointed', I remember it well. Hypocrisy anyone? Typical politics, I have no problem with Boris is leader other than I don't think he will be very good, but I hope I am wrong. You vote for a party, they vote for their leader, as such he has a mandate to lead his party and therefore the country. It's pretty simple albeit Boris moaned when labour did it with brown, which brings me full circle, political hypocrisy...

[Evercross]

biggbn said:

Boris was affronted when Brown was 'anointed', I remember it well. Hypocrisy anyone? Typical politics, I have no problem with Boris is leader other than I don't think he will be very good, but I hope I am wrong. You vote for a party, they vote for their leader, as such he has a mandate to lead his party and therefore the country. It's pretty simple albeit Boris moaned when labour did it with brown, which brings me full circle, political hypocrisy...

Surely the difference though is that Brown didn't at least face a leadership contest?

[motco]

Brown was installed unopposed and probably as part of a diabolical pact between him and Blair. Johnson was elected perfectly properly according to the party rules.

[Europa1]

turbobloke said:

zygalski said:

HoHoHo said:

ellroy said:

Well this letter JC has sent out to all parties may well set the cat amongst the pigeons.

Horrible power hungry little arse.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/08/14/je...

Desperation

He’s using whatever means he can to get the keys to No. 10.

I think JC is more of an inciter/agitator mindset than power hungry per se.
He's a contrarian.

He's funny. Can't lead his own MPs then this, a joker as much as an agitator.

Keeps a good straight face though, which is always useful in a comedian.

What struck me this morning listening to Today was how many policies or plans of his are announced, yet how rarely he is interviewed in person about them. This morning it was Jess Phillips explaining his temporary government idea.

[anonymous-user]

Europa1 said:

What struck me this morning listening to Today was how many policies or plans of his are announced, yet how rarely he is interviewed in person about them. This morning it was Jess Phillips explaining his temporary government idea.

Well it might be very temporary for her. her local party is infiltrated with momentum types who hate her

[George Smiley]

Biros was democratically elected by his party and the membership

Brown was given the job.

Big difference

[Le Controleur Horizontal]

techiedave said:

Europa1 said:

What struck me this morning listening to Today was how many policies or plans of his are announced, yet how rarely he is interviewed in person about them. This morning it was Jess Phillips explaining his temporary government idea.

Well it might be very temporary for her. her local party is infiltrated with momentum types who hate her

I have ZERO sympathy for moderate Labour MP's....REAP what YOU sow you collection of idiots.

[George Smiley]

Which side of the fence are you on?

[A Winner Is You]

I do find it scary just how casually people are talking about removing a democratically elected government and installing a minority one on a "temporary" basis so that they can overturn the results of a vote. Lest we forget, Corbyn lost a vote of no confidence from his own party, and refused to stand down.

[Mark A S]

I bow to many here with far greater political awareness than I, BUT how the hell can someone like Corbyn exist in politics in the UK today! Are we not sure that he is simply there to help all the other incompetents to look good ?

I SOOOOOO hope Boris can pull off Brexit, unite the country [ mostly!! ] and bring us back to having some respect for our so called politicians again.

If he can help contrive to remove Corbyn from politics forever I think we should all be VERY grateful.

[amusingduck]

George Smiley said:

Biros was democratically elected by his party and the membership

Brown was given the job.

Big difference

What's the difference between May and Brown?

[George Smiley]

She went through a democratic process as did boris.

Brown did not.

[biggbn]

Evercross said:

biggbn said:

Boris was affronted when Brown was 'anointed', I remember it well. Hypocrisy anyone? Typical politics, I have no problem with Boris is leader other than I don't think he will be very good, but I hope I am wrong. You vote for a party, they vote for their leader, as such he has a mandate to lead his party and therefore the country. It's pretty simple albeit Boris moaned when labour did it with brown, which brings me full circle, political hypocrisy...

Surely the difference though is that Brown didn't at least face a leadership contest?

Excellent point. But those who voted for labour had to swallow it, you don't vote for a person you vote for a party in theory if not in practice.

To be fair, anyone who doesn't believe Johnson was installed as premier is deluded, the farcical election was paying lip service to democracy, yet I would have had no problem had they just appointed him a la brown, why not, the party believe he is the right man for the job and they have the power

[Agammemnon]

biggbn said:

To be fair, anyone who doesn't believe Johnson was installed as premier is deluded, the farcical election was paying lip service to democracy, yet I would have had no problem had they just appointed him a la brown, why not, the party believe he is the right man for the job and they have the power

The party decided who should lead the party. Seems reasonable to me.

[stongle]

Looks like Jeremy has done his nuts, and no ones buying. Shame.

F**k him.

[Evercross]

stongle said:

Looks like Jeremy has done his nuts, and no ones buying. Shame.

What did anyone expect? For him personally it smacks of delusion and desperation, and for politics generally it looks like an attempted coup.

[NoNeed]

biggbn said:

Excellent point. But those who voted for labour had to swallow it, you don't vote for a person you vote for a party in theory if not in practice.

To be fair, anyone who doesn't believe Johnson was installed as premier is deluded, the farcical election was paying lip service to democracy, yet I would have had no problem had they just appointed him a la brown, why not, the party believe he is the right man for the job and they have the power

having the party vote as well as his constituency vote means he has had more peoole vote for him directly than any other prime minister i can think of.

[jakesmith]

biggbn said:

Excellent point. But those who voted for labour had to swallow it, you don't vote for a person you vote for a party in theory if not in practice.

To be fair, anyone who doesn't believe Johnson was installed as premier is deluded, the farcical election was paying lip service to democracy, yet I would have had no problem had they just appointed him a la brown, why not, the party believe he is the right man for the job and they have the power

Hang on a minute what are you on about. It's hardly a conspiracy that one candidate was more popular for goodness sake.
Would you care to back up your frankly ludicrous assertion by naming some Tory candidates that did not run, or some procedural sharp practice that threw the contest?
If not I think you should appologise to your leader, Mr Boris Johnson.

[valiant]

George Smiley said:

She went through a democratic process as did boris.

Brown did not.

Not quite.

John McDonnell stood for the leadership when announced but failed to get enough votes to get on the ballot as per Labour rules.

No one else stood against Brown so he became leader.

Entirely open and transparent and within the established rules at the time. I guess everyone thought it a foregone conclusion so didn’t stand.

[Hereward]

valiant said:

Not quite.

John McDonnell stood for the leadership when announced but failed to get enough votes to get on the ballot as per Labour rules...

And McDonnell is now in charge of the party despite no-one voting him in.